Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 03:01:55 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #370 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Rob Scott, stiff legs (George Peters) 2. RE: The Holy Grail (Jared Circle) 3. Dan - Don (Frank Clay) 4. D-A-N Vs. D-A-H-N (Dennis McHenry) 5. Re: DAN vs. DAHN (ABurrese@aol.com) 6. Don VS Dan (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 7. Re: HEAD GEAR (jeffrey kiral) 8. Ankle Rehabilitation (Adam Gibson's Martial Arts) 9. Re D-A-N Vs. D-A-H-N (SallyBaughn@aol.com) 10. D-A-N Vs. D-A-H-N! (Master Arce) 11. Re: D-A-N Vs. D-A-H-N! (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 02:21:41 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Rob Scott, stiff legs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir, You are quite correct, in a couple years they will feel much better!(ha ha ) Hang in there, there really is a light at the end of the tunnel.( I think ) Respectfully, George _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Jared Circle" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 03:14:46 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: The Holy Grail Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Tang Soo Do forms are among the best around in terms of the effectiveness of their applications; however, I dont think the original Tang Soo Do Masters are where to look for these answers. Hwang Ki admitted in his biography to copying the majority of the forms currently practiced in TSD from a book in an Okinawa Library. If this is the source of TSD, then it is difficult to imagine that any Master of the art truly knows what the original applications are intended to be. The best one can hope for is to lend the insight of experience and knowledge of truly traditional martial arts (not something established and popularized in the last 200 years) to the interpretation of these forms. This is not a "Holy Grail". If your desire is real you can find someone to teach you. On the other hand, your desire to find the best applications for these forms today is also quite valid. A martial art "dies" when its practioners stop seeking to improve on what is passed down from generation to generation. If you have been taught the style correctly, then it should be expected of you to adapt the applications of the forms to consumate them for your personal application. This evolution is what keeps Martial Arts alive and an art form. This being said, it is not inconceivable to learn highly effective (if not the "original") applications from todays TSD Masters. My Opinion...FWIW Jared Circle 1st Dan HapKiDo KumMooKwon English Teacher --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 07:18:25 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Dan - Don Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have almost always seen it spelled Dan, but save for accents, I have always heard it pronounced D O N. Perhaps Dahn is more correct spelling-wise, but Dan is what we use. Frank --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Dennis McHenry" Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 15:41:35 GMT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] D-A-N Vs. D-A-H-N Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net << I (IMPO) think either way is fine. Maybe Masters Terry, Richards, McHenry, etc., could each shed some (Of their experiences) light on this subject?>> If you look at the Korean characters, the vowel that is used is "ah", so it would be pronounced as "d-ah-n" or "don". Hope this helps, Mac ________________________________________________________________ Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today! --__--__-- Message: 5 From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 12:27:50 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: DAN vs. DAHN Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Regarding the correct pronounciation of the ranks of black belt in Korean, it is DAHN or DON. If you look at the word in Hangul, the Korean alphabet, it is very clear. The problem arose with the romanization of the Korean. It was romanized as dan, and Americans started to pronounce it as dan like the first name of someone named Daniel. This is the same with Hapkido. It is actually pronouced as Hopkido, not Hapkido with the first part sounding like Happy. But I hear people calling it hapkido like happy all the time, because of the way it was romanized. But if you look at the word in Korean Hangul, the Ha sounds like the ho in hop not the ha in happy. My wife has the same problem. Her maiden name in Ham. This is how it was romanized on all documents. It is not pronounced like the ham you have for lunch or dinner. It sounds more like Hom like the word hop with an m rather than a p. We used her maiden name for Cosette's middle name to keep the Korean family name, but we used Hom rather than Ham just so Cosette won't be teased when she is older. In Korean, it is spelled and pronounced the same. Hope this clarifies this a bit. Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:55:16 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Don VS Dan Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have been watching as people have discussed the pronunciation of the word "Dan" I have trained in Korea for extended periods of time, and speak Korean moderately. I can assure everyone that the word Dan (meaning level) is pronounced "DON" I see and hear many of these mispronunciations in the USA. One such is Do-Jang. It too should be pronounced with a short "A" sound, like Do-Jong. Another is "Tang" like in the name Tang Soo Do. It is pronounced Tong Soo Do and has no long "A" sound. These are examples I am sure about, I hope this helps. I would like to say that I appreciate that people want to get the terminology correct, however regardless of rank or style some may not have access to the same instruction as others and are only doing want they are taught. With said I believe although terminology is important, it does not define a martial artist. Personal character, Technical ability, and a desire to improve are much more important issues. Respectfully; JC --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "jeffrey kiral" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] HEAD GEAR Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 16:15:00 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net the head gear that i find the best is available from ken's trading co., inc.---golden tiger martial arts supply....www.goldentiger.com. email: contact@goldentiger.com item no. THG(vinyl) or THG3(leather) available in red or black, sizes s,m,l,xl. price-24.95/49.95 u.s. (vinyl/leather) the headgear is only pictured in their catalog on page 32...i could not locate it on their website. hope this helps ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:38 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] HEAD GEAR > this may have been covered before, but for my benefit can anyone tell what > head gear they would recommend for training? I what to buy one that offers > good protection but doesn't feel too bulky --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Adam Gibson's Martial Arts" To: Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 16:19:03 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Ankle Rehabilitation Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey Carl, Spend your efforts on practicing lead leg kicking techniques only if you ankle can't withstand twisting from rear leg techniques. Usually rear leg front kick and rear axe kick don't put to much stress on bad ankles.........but turn-back kick, spinning hook kick and rear leg roundhouse kick are going to be your major enemy these days or maybe forever depending on whether it ever heals properly or not. My instructor Bill "Superfoot" Wallace was undefeated World Middleweight Kickboxing Champion and he couldn't really do any kicks that put pressure on his very badly damaged right knee that he tore in a Judo accident. He trained himself to kick with only one leg and only used 3 kicks.......Lead Leg Roundhouse Kick, Lead Leg Hook Kick, and Lead Leg Sidekick. He was virtually unstoppable with one leg......and his lead leg at that.........in a sport(Kickboxing) where the opponents are predominantly rear leg fighters. Rear leg full contact fighters rely heavily on the twisting of the hips for knockout power in their kicks........where as Lead Leg full-contact fighters utilize the quick little "whip-like" snap on their kicks that sloshes their opponent's brains inside their skull and knocks them out. Anyways so if you can't use your rear leg without pain you do have an option. If you have any questions on our kicking system contact me. Sincerely Yours, Adam Gibson (Superfoot System Canada) www.adamgibsontkd.com Email: videoman@idirect.com www.superfoot.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: SallyBaughn@aol.com Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 17:26:53 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re D-A-N Vs. D-A-H-N Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The pronunciation isn't difficult if you remember that nearly everyone who speaks a language other than English use the "ah" sound rather than the "ay" sound when pronouncing an "a". Thus, Dan would be correctly pronounced "dahn". BTW, if you want to get the "ay" sound in a language other than English, you'd use the letter "e" which is pronounced "ay" rather than "ee". Sally --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 14:54:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Master Arce To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] D-A-N Vs. D-A-H-N! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net YES! I MEANT YOU Master (Ray) Terry! (You and Grand Master Timmerman, etc. are very Senior (Seniority, NOT Senior Citizens!) :) , and I just felt it would be great for our Higher Ups to share and shed some light on this (just one of MANY subjects here on the DD!) *(As for MY PERSONAL (Martial Arts) HISTORY regarding this topic?: I have always heard my Korean Masters and Grand Masters pronounce it D-A-H-N, but my other NON-KOREAN Masters and Grand Masters (Usually and Mostly (But NOT Limited To!) Americans), say D-A-N (And it has Also ALWAYS been spelled: DAN on All of my Documents since the 70's!)! Thanks again! Pil Sung! Tae Kwon! Tang Soo! Steve M. Arce DO SAN DOJANG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] D-A-N Vs. D-A-H-N! To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 15:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > YES! I MEANT YOU Master (Ray) Terry! (You and Grand > Master Timmerman, etc. are very Senior (Seniority, NOT > Senior Citizens!) :) Thank you sir. Grandmasters Timmerman, West and Hodder are some of the most senior people in the KMAs, and they are on this list. Probably a handful of others too that I'm leaving out right now. But I personally am not in that category. I'm just a hack that has been active in the KMAs for just over 30 years... and my rank is no where near that of the fine folks mentioned above. But thank you for the kind words. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest