Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 03:01:50 -0700
From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net
Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #389 - 4 msgs
X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net
X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com
List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. <the_dojang.martialartsresource.net>
List-Post: <mailto:the_dojang@martialartsresource.net>
List-Subscribe: <http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang>,
	<mailto:the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net?subject=subscribe>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang>,
	<mailto:the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Help: <mailto:the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net?subject=help>
Status: O
X-Status: 
X-Keywords:                  

Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to
	the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
	http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
	the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net

You can reach the person managing the list at
	the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net

When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..."


<<------------------   The_Dojang mailing list   ------------------>>

Serving the Internet since June 1994.
Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource

The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts.
1700 members.

See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine
for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com

Pil Seung!

Today's Topics:

   1. NIM (J.R. West)
   2. Re: NIM (silentflute)
   3. Re: Sabumnim, kamsahamnida (Klaas Barends)
   4. attn: grappling instructor needed (tntcombatives@comcast.net)

--__--__--

Message: 1
From: "J.R. West" <hapkido@netdoor.com>
To: <the_dojang@martialartsresource.net>
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:46:20 -0500
Subject: [The_Dojang] NIM
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Regarding this, we were taught to say to the instructor at the end of a 
class to say <<sa bum nim, kahap saham nida>> ........ which I am sure is 
spelled SO SO SO wrong BUT we were told it was saying the equal to: teacher, 
thank you. Do you think this might be a true (or sort of) translation?  Or 
have I been had again?  Thanks!

Respectfully,
Loretta

Loretta:
    Glad to hear from you again......spelling, pronounciation and grammar 
notwithstanding, your translation is OK, however, nim is only used, as I 
said before, when speaking directly to the person that the honorific 
pertains to.....it is very similar to "san" or "sama" in 
Japanese.........Perhaps Alain or some of the other Korean speakers could 
provide backup on this point.  I have heard Dr. Kimm state that this 
particular "misuse" is most odd sounding to him...JRW   www.hapkido.com 

--__--__--

Message: 2
From: "silentflute" <silentflute@comcast.net>
To: <the_dojang@martialartsresource.net>
Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] NIM
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:52:05 -0500
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Master West,

  This is saying that my ATA class says out loud to the instructor after
bowing out. I think that it means 'Master instructor, thank you for training
us'. Even though the whole class is directing this towards the instructor,
would it still be proper.


Thanks

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J.R. West" <hapkido@netdoor.com>
To: <the_dojang@martialartsresource.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:46 PM
Subject: [The_Dojang] NIM


> Regarding this, we were taught to say to the instructor at the end of a
> class to say <<sa bum nim, kahap saham nida>> ........ which I am sure is
> spelled SO SO SO wrong BUT we were told it was saying the equal to:
teacher,
> thank you. Do you think this might be a true (or sort of) translation?  Or
> have I been had again?  Thanks!
>
> Respectfully,
> Loretta
>
> Loretta:
>     Glad to hear from you again......spelling, pronounciation and grammar
> notwithstanding, your translation is OK, however, nim is only used, as I
> said before, when speaking directly to the person that the honorific
> pertains to.....it is very similar to "san" or "sama" in
> Japanese.........Perhaps Alain or some of the other Korean speakers could
> provide backup on this point.  I have heard Dr. Kimm state that this
> particular "misuse" is most odd sounding to him...JRW   www.hapkido.com
> _______________________________________________
> The_Dojang mailing list,  1700 members
> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net
> Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource
> Standard disclaimers apply
> http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang

--__--__--

Message: 3
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:06:41 +0800
From: Klaas Barends <barends@opurk.nl>
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Sabumnim, kamsahamnida
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

> Regarding this, we were taught to say to the instructor at the end of a class 
> to say <<sa bum nim, kahap saham nida>> ........ which I am sure is spelled 
> SO SO SO wrong BUT we were told it was saying the equal to: teacher, thank you. 
>  Do you think this might be a true (or sort of) translation?  Or have I been 
> had again?  Thanks!

In this case you are talking directly to your teacher, so it would be plain rude
not to use the 'nim'-ending.

Pronounciation:
sabumnim, kamsahamnida

or (even more polite)

sabumnim, kumhapsuemnida

And yes, it does mean: teacher, thank you.



-- 
mvg. Klaas Barends

  http://www.hapkido.nl/

--__--__--

Message: 4
From: tntcombatives@comcast.net
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:20:03 +0000
Subject: [The_Dojang] attn: grappling instructor needed
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Greetings All,
Thought I'd share this interesting clip.  Just think of what your basic student could do in this type of situation.  Although this is not a great example of conflict avoidance, it does show the reality of what skills they need to learn.  
http://www.supraspeed.com/bdrive/pages/grlfight.wmv
Mark Gajdostik
TNT-Martial Arts


--__--__--

_______________________________________________
The_Dojang mailing list
The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net
http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang
http://the-dojang.net
 
Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang
 
Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com
Standard disclaimers apply.
Remember September 11.


End of The_Dojang Digest