Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:05:03 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #400 - 15 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Back after yet another hurricane. (Eric Walker) 2. Nim, etc. (Bert Edens) 3. Re: Question re: re-braakable boards (Martin Von Cannon) 4. Players (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 5. Master Lee, Won Kuk (FRANK CLAY) 6. Potential student count (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 7. Re: Mater Terry (Ray Terry) 8. Let it go (Ray Terry) 9. Re: Players (Ray Terry) 10. RE: Master Lee Won Kuk (Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy) 11. New starter (John Moore) 12. disabled student (Olivos@aol.com) 13. RE: New starter (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) 14. Interesting comment... (Jye nigma) 15. MDK Master Terry (George Peters) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Eric Walker" To: Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:42:01 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Back after yet another hurricane. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net And a doozy it was...I hope all of our brethren between here and Mobile Bay are doing as well as possible. Eric --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.760 / Virus Database: 509 - Release Date: 9/10/2004 --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:43:30 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Bert Edens Subject: [The_Dojang] Nim, etc. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net At 14:54 9/16/04, you wrote: ><you are. But when there are other people around (especially if they are >younger then the person you are addressing) it would be a good thing to >use the nim-suffix anyway.>> > >I don't know that this is accurate. If I am your junior in age, but your >senior in position (meaning general societal position, as well as, martial >art} you would still refer to me as XYZ-nim. In a typical relationship where >all things are equal, then I believe you would be correct. > >Frank Greetings, all... Just a take on this, from someone who's been studying Korean for a few years, and had the opportunity to talk to both of my tutors on this... First, it may seem a little awkward to use "nim" with someone who is obviously your junior, but it's never disrespectful. However, the inverse is not true. You would never refer to someone who is your senior in rank and age without using "nim" at the end... And when talking about them, you would definitely use it too... If they are a junior, and you are talking about them, it's the same thing... Not expected, but certainly not rude... Second, from my brief interaction with Dr. Kimm at the Jackson Seminar, I was struck how formal he spoke to me, even though I am obviously his junior in both age and rank... When greeting him, I said "Ahn-nyong-ha-shim-ni-kka?", which is the most formal method possible. I didn't want to take any chances and offend him. But I was surprised when he responded with the same greeting, even though "Ahn-nyong-ha-seh-yo" is what's most commonly used, especially with someone who is a junior. One of my tutors said she was impressed with his traditional style and discipline by using the most formal greeting possible, even when talking to a junior... So I guess that when in doubt, I will use it... To me, it's just like saying "yes, sir" or "yes, ma'am" to someone bringing me a Diet Coke at a restaurant... For that matter, when talking to gup ranks at our school, I always call them "Mister" or "Miss" plus their last name ("Miss Hannah", "Mr. Josh", etc.). When they reach 1st gup, I begin calling them by their last name ("Mr. Edens", "Miss Russell", etc.). I tell them that is preparing them for black belt, as it's required at that time. It also helps motivate them, too :) Just my nickel's worth or so... I talk too much to offer just two cents :) <> - Bert Edens, 2nd Dan Recommended Springdale, Arkansas --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:42:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Question re: re-braakable boards From: "Martin Von Cannon" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Linda, I have used the rebreakable boards from Century. I find them to be very strong and durable. The colors range from white to black. As the color changes, so does the difficulty of breaking. -- Martin Von Cannon Instructor Tacoma, WA. Dojang A Black Belt is more than something you wear. It's more than something you earn. A Black Belt is something you become. > Hi! I have a question for those of you that use re-breakable boards in > your schools. Which ones have you found to be the best? I am interested > in both ones that last the longest, but more importantly, that most > represent the size of board they are supposed to represent. > > Any help will be appreciated. > > Thanks! > > Linda > > > "That which does not kill me makes me stronger" --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:03:58 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Players Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This confirms what I thought to be true. Thank you I would like to say that the word players may not be the best term to use, unless you are referring to a sport karate or organization. which the MDK is not JC --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "FRANK CLAY" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:14:11 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Lee, Won Kuk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'm not sure if I am guilty of simply referring to the late Chung Do Kwan dojunim without the proper honorific. I think I can speak for the group, when I say that no one means any disrespect. One of my teachers tested for yuk dan privately with Master Lee, so even if I leave it out, it is unintentional. I don't think that being called "Master" mattered to him, as much as the quality of his art. He was indeed a loss. Frank --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:31:42 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Potential student count Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Richards information is correct, however I believe the numbers are greater in large cities which makes tat statistic less reliable. Expanding your range as he suggested is good advise. I just think 260 to 325 is a town of 13K is unrealistic, even if you're the only school available. JC --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Mater Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:50:31 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Master Terry Ray is fine... > I am curious. What style do you teach and what organization to you have > membership with. I don't remember ever seeing it on a post. Also have you > ever been a member of the MDK organization headed by HC Hwang or Hwang Kee > Kwan Jang Nim. You seem to know several current SBD MDK members, and some > past members that have recently left or been asked to leave. My Taekwondo rank is through the Kukkiwon. My Hapkido rank is through Sin Moo. I started in TSD MDK and would have been happy to have stayed there, but back in those days it was rare to find more than a Shotokan or Judo or Taekwondo school in a town of 100,000 or more. When I had to switch from TSD to TKD (after moving towns) that TKD instructor had come up under Hwang Kee in the Railroad dojang, thus we were MDK. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Let it go Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Okay, folks. Time to let the MDK thread of "yes it is, no it isn't" go. It seems to be going nowhere fast and starting(?) to make no sense whatsoever. So, let it go and let us move on... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Players To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:21:42 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I would like to say that the word players may not be the best term to use, > unless you are referring to a sport karate or organization. which the MDK is > not Calling someone a "player" is showing them a great deal of respect. You aren't saying 'they are a good karate player', you're saying 'they're a PLAYER!'. Big diff... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:23:22 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Master Lee Won Kuk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Frank posted: "Interestingly, I have met CDK guys who practice a range of hyung. Most seem to do WTF, but there are Chung Han and Pyung Ahn practitioners as well." My instructor back in the days taught us that our "style" and teachings came from the Chung Do Kwan. His instructor was Master Nam Jae Woo (who lived and taught in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area from 1963 - about 1976) and he supposedly came from the Chung Do Kwan and training under Master Lee Won Kuk. Our hyungs have always been the Chang Han hyungs. I'm pretty sure Master Lee taught the Pyong Ahn hyungs to begin with but it would be interesting to know which forms he recognized at the time of his death as what forms Chung Do Kwan practitioners should be doing. I take it that some of Master Lee's original batch of Black Belts went out on their own and some adopted Gen Choi's Chang Han hyungs, some kept the Pyong Ahn hyungs, while others went with the WTF/Tae Geuk hyungs, or poomse. I had the great pleasure of meeting Gen. Choi once and had always wanted to meet Master Lee. I once cooresponded with a young lady (can't remember her name) who told me that she had an invitation to come to Master Lee's home in Virginia and interview him and was offered the opportunity to look though and photograph old photos and certificates that he had in his possession that date back to the 1944 Chung Do Kwan creation. I never heard back from her or any details about that visit. I was hoping to hear what his take was on hyungs. James Morgan GTKDA --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "John Moore" To: Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:29:22 +0100 Subject: [The_Dojang] New starter Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Many thanks to all who gave me great advice and encouragement regarding my first few sessions in The Dojang. I have just finished my third session and been relieved of £25 for annual membership of something I have no idea about yet but am sure as time goes on I will. The Boss ? Had some suits but not to fit me (ahem) so I would like to know where in the UK I can buy suitable suits. Thank you again to all who responded - now time for a bath... John Moore www.moorecomputersolutions.co.uk --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Olivos@aol.com Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:13:31 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] disabled student Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Recently at our school, we accepted a wheelchair bound boy. This is a new challenge for us. This is the first time we have a disabled student at our school and for the moment we are putting emphasis on hand techniques when he's in class but I'm sure there is more we can do with him. Can anyone suggest ideas and techniques to do with him in class? Betty --__--__-- Message: 13 From: PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] New starter Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:20:59 +0100 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net where do you live john? I live in Kent and I know a very good place in London called DECATHLON SPORTS. Pete -----Original Message----- From: John Moore [mailto:john@moorecomputersolutions.co.uk] Sent: 20 September 2004 20:29 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] New starter Many thanks to all who gave me great advice and encouragement regarding my first few sessions in The Dojang. I have just finished my third session and been relieved of £25 for annual membership of something I have no idea about yet but am sure as time goes on I will. The Boss ? Had some suits but not to fit me (ahem) so I would like to know where in the UK I can buy suitable suits. Thank you again to all who responded - now time for a bath... John Moore www.moorecomputersolutions.co.uk _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1700 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang **************************************************************************** SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe that you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone the number given, reversing the charges if necessary. --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:05:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Interesting comment... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I agree that learning angles helps with defending against kicks(and everything else), but disagree about the quality of FMA kicks. Mui Thai fighters kick above the waist, below the waist, wherever we want to. We also prove that high kicks are combat effective, everytime we knock an opponent out by planting our shin right behind their ear. My feeling about FMA, and Mui Thai, and everything else, is that an art that focuses on a specific technique will become VERY good at that technique. Ditto the individual practicioner. For example, you can't beat Capoeira for headbuts. Or boxing for hand strikes(though modification for the street is a good idea, because boxing has the distinction of creating hand strikes so powerful that broken hands are a very real danger). On the individual level, we all have our favorite techniques, that we're really good at. But since FMA emphasizes weapons, not kicks, FMA practicioners should not boast about their kicking skills to practicioners who can do things with their legs that blow away all the myths about "kicks being inneffective." Which is not to diminish FMA. I'm a BIG believer in weapons training, and at least FMA doesn't let it's students get away with holding to the Hollywood myth that a single master with his barehands can defeat hordes of armed enemies... --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! --__--__-- Message: 15 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:21:45 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] MDK Master Terry Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Venerable Sir, Obviously some folks do not grasp the "extended family" concept so well. I loved what you said about brotherhood over riding politics. Is this only a dream or can we make this a reality? Respectfully, George Peters Tang Soo! _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest