Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:56:57 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #402 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: disabled student (Martin Von Cannon) 2. New Do-Jang (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 3. Player (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 4. Re: Re: wheelchair bound (Martin Von Cannon) 5. Student In A Wheelchair (Bert Edens) 6. handicapable moo do (Charles Richards) 7. RE: XMA (Stovall, Craig) 8. RE: Wheelchair bound (Kip McCormick) 9. Bert Edens on "nim" (George Peters) 10. Dr. Kimm Yudo Seminar et al (J.R. West) 11. RE: ATA vs. WTF (Thomas Gordon) 12. we were down (Ray Terry) 13. AAU Taekwondo Newsletter September 2004 (fwd) (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] disabled student From: "Martin Von Cannon" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Betty, I am glad to see this. The student can use the wheelchair to kick. I am assuming that he can pop-a-wheelie. A foot rest would drive into an opponents shin, knee, groin or leg. Very painful. He could also rotate rather quickly, using his foot rest or handle bars as striking points. Hops would equate to foot stomps using the wheels. Then there is grappeling. His hand and arm strength is greater than the average person his age. If he were to lauch himself forward onto someone, he could feasibly take them to the ground. Just use your imagination. If you need more suggestions, let me know -- Martin Von Cannon Instructor Tacoma, WA. Dojang A Black Belt is more than something you wear. It's more than something you earn. A Black Belt is something you become. > Recently at our school, we accepted a wheelchair bound boy. This is a new > challenge for us. This is the first time we have a disabled student at our > school and for the moment we are putting emphasis on hand techniques when > he's in > class but I'm sure there is more we can do with him. Can anyone suggest > ideas > and techniques to do with him in class? > > Betty --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:33:56 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] New Do-Jang Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good luck Chris, I hope you do well. JC --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:39:09 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Player Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks for your opinion. I understand what you have said. I just don't want anyone thinking I am the player of a game. Game is sport. Self-Defense is not a game. Respectfully; JC --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: wheelchair bound From: "Martin Von Cannon" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I would be interested in this as well. -- Martin Von Cannon Instructor Tacoma, WA. Dojang A Black Belt is more than something you wear. It's more than something you earn. A Black Belt is something you become. > > hi betty, > > mr. edens, a list member, recently designed a wheelchair curriculum which > i > know he's happy to share :)....bert? > > take care, > melinda > > Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy > www.cjmaa.com 1.573.673.2769 > Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply > www.cjmas.com 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:58:19 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Bert Edens Subject: [The_Dojang] Student In A Wheelchair Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net At 08:54 9/21/04, you wrote: >hi betty, >mr. edens, a list member, recently designed a wheelchair curriculum which i >know he's happy to share :)....bert? >take care, >melinda >Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy >www.cjmaa.com 1.573.673.2769 >Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply >www.cjmas.com 1.877.847.4072 Greetings, ma'am... Thanks for the kind word... I already replied to her via private e-mail before I read your plug... ;-) And yes, I'm happy to share... Always hoping others can help me fine-tune it some since I'm still a newbie in the arts... Thanks again! <> - Bert Edens, 2nd Dan Recommended Springdale, Arkansas --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:38:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] handicapable moo do Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I read "Two small suggestions regarding the wheelchair bound student. Push them just as hard as you would a student who has full use of their legs. To do any differently is patronizing them and their condition." MC Reply Bravo! I have a 7 year old ADD princess and 6 year old ADD male cohort that I push very hard to stay focussed. The 7 year old girl is now an AAU national champion in sparring for her age and rank. It took her an entire year to earn a Yellow Belt (8th Gup) and another year to get to 5th Gup. Also try to find Steve Rogers of Palmetto TSD in the YMCA in Florence, SC (Master Dunn may have a contact as Mr. Rogers should be a masters candidate with WTSDA by now?). He had a similar student that got out of the chair and did hyung by moving his body with his arms and resting on his knees and one arm. He was also quite good at sparring :-). Mr. Rogers is from the old school and gave NOTHING away, I think it took about 6 or 7 years, but this gentleman did earn a bblack belt in the early 1990's. Finally, I'm going to challenge you to rent/borrow a wheelchair for a long weekend and go through your entire cirriculumn through 1st Dan, and see how much YOU can do without getting out of the chair. First thing you'll notice is how week our upper bodies are when we have the large muscle groups in our legs to propel us :-) Stay Well, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:51:24 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: XMA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> Ohhhhhh, I wouldn't put your head on the chopping block for mentioning XMA. Maybe another part of your anatomy, though. LOL!!! Just kidding. Seriously, I know a guy who put in an XMA program in his school and he is going like gangbusters. Has several hundred students from what I understand, and just opened his third location. Has an excellent children's program with the afterschool deal and everything. I imagine the XMA stuff helps to pull them in. There's nothing like Hollywood razzle-dazzle to catch the kids' eyes. Now, XMA is just NOT my thing, personally. The clothes are fruity, the weapons are made of plastic and balsa wood, the techniques are goofy, and all that screaming has GOT to stop. However, if running a martial arts school was my means of putting food on the table...then I guess I'd be out there prancing around with a $95 haircut, spray-on tan, and wearing my officially licensed Mike Chat "XMA Killa Pajamas". Besides...you can dog it all you want, but XMA requires a very commendable level of conditioning and athleticism. For what it's worth, I'd rather see kids involved in martial arts programs learning some values as opposed to grinding their skateboards down at the mall and having the cops come out every half hour to run them off. Martial arts has got a LOT of competition in terms of capturing the hearts and minds of young people in this country. Scholastic team sports, extreme sports, video games, 250 satellite channels, playing doctor...all of these things spell the demise of martial arts. Whether people like it or not, the schools in competitive markets that are going to have the kids are the one's that are going to go at least somewhat in an XMA type of direction. Hanging "Karate" on a shingle outside your door ain't going to cut it anymore. Then there's the fact that our kids are in terrible shape, and getting worse every year. I'm convinced that better health care and better food is the only reason that we're living longer in this country. It's NOT because people are leading active lifestyles. Used to be that you got some exercise by working on your pappy's farm. Now our kids spend 20 hours a week playing 'Halo' and 'Socom Navy Seals' with their virtual friends in Singapore and Germany. It ain't pretty, folks. So, I applaud any program out there that has a chance of capturing kids' attention and dragging them away from the monitor for a couple of hours a week. Kid's just want to have fun. I say let them have fun jumping around, working up a sweat, and finding out what they can accomplish with a little hard work and dedication. I know a lot of people turn their noses up at XMA (I kinda do myself), but the alternatives are much worse. Just be sure to tell them not to try and use that stuff on the playground bully. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by email or telephone. You are instructed to destroy any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of this communication if you are not the intended recipient. Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Kip McCormick" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Wheelchair bound Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:29:30 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Betty- First of all, Byron had a GREAT posting!! My wife and I taught a wheel-chair bound girl with cerebral palsey for 3 years and when we moved, two other black belts stepped up and continued teaching her (she's testing for her 2nd dan soon). Some things we learned: -- Find the strengths your student has and build on those strengths (upper body, maybe good hand-eye coordination). -- Treat him like all the other students to a point. I was in leg braces for two years and couldn't walk and one thing that used to tick me off was having people treat me differently. But also remember there's a fine line between being tough and being stupid. --Your student will need some special one-on-one time, most likely, and when that happens and you're not the instructor, make sure the assistant instructor knows what the heck he or she's doing. A mis-placed comment can ruin months and even years of training. -- Involve him in the main stream class with the other kids, but don't forget that they deserve instruction, too. You're going to have to figure out how much he can do with the class (more is better) and still be able to work with him on his techniques. --Keep an eye on his frustration level. Many times your handicapable student will try to compare himself to others and gets frustrated. This especially happens when he first starts training, when other kids are looking at him, etc. Have your "sensors" out! -- Be realistic with his techniques. If he's a paraplegic (sorry, my spelling is bad!), really work blocking techniques (one handed) at first. There are a lot of great weapons out there, too, and the dan bang (short stick) works really well -- he can use it in a confined space with one hand (while using the other to manipulate the chair or the opponent.) Also, basic trapping techniques work hand-eye coordination, many are easily done from a sitting position. --As he advances, get him out of the chair and onto the floor, simulating an attack in which he's thrown out of the chair. --Develop your program so that he knows what the standards are and has to work for them. But make sure you have a program and don't just "wing it" as you go along. --I'm not an International Combat Hapkido Federation guy, but I know they have a master who was shot at close range a few years ago and is now a paraplegic. He has developed a complete program for wheelchair bound hapkido practitioners and I've heard it's really good. Go to their website and it'll direct you (ICHF.com?). Great on you for teaching a handicapable student!! It's a blast and you'll be surprised the difference you'll make for him but also how much he'll teach you...and your other students. Kip McCormick 2nd Dan USKMAF Warrior Hapkido West Point NY --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 02:19:22 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Bert Edens on "nim" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir, What you have to say on this agrees with what our org teaches(taught by GM C.S.Kim). It has always worked for me and I have not been corrected by any korean nationals from the "outside". You DID touch on something with respect to juniors that I have always tried to teach; It does not cost anything to give a little respect to anyone, no matter what their status or station, this little gesture goes a long way to avoiding strife, which should be an objective for any martial arts student. Just my 2C on the subjest. Respectfully, George _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "J.R. West" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:21:56 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Dr. Kimm Yudo Seminar et al Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We have recently added the sign-up sheet for the Nov. 19-20 Seminars on Korean Weapons ( Me, Friday, 6:00 - 9:00 ), and Yudo ( Dr. Kimm, Saturday, 12:00 - 4:30 ) to be held at my school in Jackson, MS. I will be doing a Hapkido seminar in Hampstead, MD on the 16th of October, Ft. Wayne, IN on the 6th of Nov., and Fairfax, VA on the 4th of Dec. If you have an interest in any of these, you can get info at www.hapkido.com/seminar ....J. R. West --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] ATA vs. WTF Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:55:20 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ATA uses Songahm forms which are copyrighted and the school charter specifically states you may not teach anything but approved ATA curriculum. And, should an instructor leave ATA, they must immediately stop teaching their proprietary curriculum. They also have started using a chest protector and starting to resemble the "WTF style of fighting." In some way, ATA was a part of General Choi's ITF in the 70's but switched to their proprietary curriculum. As a student, with ATA, you'll need to watch for various programs and contracts that have very tough escape clauses. In many ATA schools, black belt club takes you to recommended black belt. In order to get black belt, you must join the master's program or leadership program. When I was approached to sell these programs, I was told $2000 for BBC, $4000 for Master's Program, and $6000 for Leadership. I've been told some people in Leadership have paid upwards of $10K+. To me, that's outrageous. And without belonging to Leadership program, you can't compete for State Champion and join roughly 4000 "champions" produced every year by the ATA. Not all ATA instructors are pushing the programs. With rank testing eligibility being tied to testing numbers, it's promotes ATA instructors to push for larger testings. To qualify my comments, I am a former ATA certified instructor and school owner. In my opinion, the only thing traditional about the "modern ATA school" pushing these prepaid programs is the desire to make lots and lots of money - that's pretty traditional. With all of that said, there are some very fine instructors in ATA. Best regards, Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:59:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] we were down Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Our webserver was down for the last day+. It appears to be back up and running again. Sorry... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] AAU Taekwondo Newsletter September 2004 (fwd) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... Here is your AAU Taekwondo Newsletter for September 2004. AAU Taekwondo competitions feature both Olympic and Point sparring, and traditional Taekwondo forms, including WTF, ITF, and TSD/MDK forms may be performed. For more information visit http://www.aautaekwondo.org In This Issue *New AAU Year Begins *AAU Team Trials Results *Tournament & Events Schedule *New AAU Year Begins September 1st marked the beginning of the new AAU competition year which runs through August 31, 2005. You can renew your club or individual membership online at http://www.aautaekwondo.org. *AAU Team Trials Results AAU National Taekwondo Team trials were held September 10, 11 & 12 in Houston. Congratulations to the members of the 2005 AAU National Taekwondo Team: Adult Women Team Members Taren Ogato - Women's Fin Danielle Pelham - Women's Fly Andrea Kovacs - Women's Bantam Adriel Gray - Women's Feather Stephanie MacKay - Women's Light Sanaz Shahbazi - Women's Welter Nova Schuler - Women's Middle Jamie Hamilton - Women's Heavy Adult Men Team Members Javier Bolivar - Men's Fin Jesus Armendariz - Men's Fly Justin White - Men's Bantam Chris Martinez - Men's Feather Fabio Takahashi - Men's Light David Ibrahim - Men's Welter Fredson Gomes - Men's Middle Allen Causevic - Men's Heavy Female Junior Team Members Nina Rosacci - Female Fin Jade Zuniga - Female Fly Carmen Gray - Female Bantam Allison Hall - Female Feather Christina Johnson - Female Light Heather Paone - Female Welter Christina Krause - Female Light Middle Brandi Powers - Female Middle Mandisa Gramble - Female Light Heavy Amanda Nissen - Female Heavy Male Junior Team Members Matthew Yim - Male Fin Vacant - Male Fly Joshua Zepeda - Male Bantam Luke Ford - Male Feather Michael Brownewell - Male Light Chad Dahm - Male Welter Ethan Woodson - Male Light Middle Jayson Grant - Male Middle Tanner Gibson - Male Light Heavy Cameron Weir - Male Heavy Team Staff Jean Lopez - National Head Coach TKD Team Skip Valle - National Team Manager Mike Sanchez - Men's Head Coach Terry Gautreaux - Women's Head Coach You can see the Team Trials match results at http://www.aautaekwondo.org. *Tournament & Events Schedule November 13, 2004 Georgia Fall Tournament (Non-Qualifying Sanctioned Event) Meadowcreek High School Norcross, GA Matted Floor, Electronic Scoring Registration Deadline November 7 Contact: Charles Minter 770-985-0050 November 14, 2004 New Jersey Freedom Cup (Non-Qualifying Sanctioned Event) Healthquest Fitness Center 310 Hwy 31N Flemington, New Jersey Matted Floor, Electronic Scoring Registration Deadline November 8 Contact Kevin Balon 732-254-1214 or Email EBTC@juno.com February 5, 2005 2005 Kentucky AAU Taekwondo Qualifier Louisville, KY More Information Coming Soon! April 9, 2005 2005 Ohio AAU Taekwondo Qualifier Veterans Memorial Columbus, OH http://www.geocities.com/ohioaautkd Contact: Deb Confer Email: ohioaautkd@insight.rr.com or call 614-746-0938 March 5, 2005 2005 Georgia AAU Taekwondo Qualifier Meadowcreek High School Norcross, GA 30093 Eight Matted Rings Electronic Scoring For Information contact: James Henry Email: henrytkd@bellsouth.net July 5-9, 2005 2005 AAU Youth and Adult Taekwondo Nationals Greensboro Coliseum Greensboro, NC 2005 AAU Junior Olympic Games July 27 - August 8, 2005 New Orleans, LA 2006 AAU Youth and Adult Taekwondo Nationals July 4 - 8, 2006 Knoxville, TN 2006 AAU Junior Olympic Games July 26 - August 5, 2006 Hampton Roads, VA 2007 AAU Junior Olympic Games July 25 - August 4, 2007 Knoxville, TN *Order AAU Merchandise Online Need an AAU coach's shirt, AAU patches, pins, ties, training videos, or gup rank certificates? Now you can order them online (no more printing out order forms). 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Call 888-FOR-MATS or email: summitinfo@aol.com ______________________________________________________________ The AAU Taekwondo Newsletter is brought to you by the AAU Taekwondo Program at http://www.aautaekwondo.org Edited by David Mazor --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest