Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 03:01:50 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #409 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Grand Master Funakoshi (Master Arce) 2. Dodger Demo (Sharon Tkach) 3. Bruce ....han bok (George Peters) 4. KMA, Osh Kosh and Bling-Bling (Stovall, Craig) 5. Re: Student in a wheelchair (ChunjiDo@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:52:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Master Arce To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Grand Master Funakoshi Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Frank, well that is a bit different then what my Shotokan friends told me. :) They told me Doshu (Doju for us in Korean, as in: Doju Nim Hwang Kee, etc.) means Founder of a Martial Arts style, and is also used as Leader of the Way of that Style. In Aikido, they called the Founder (Doshu), O Sensei, but that is another topic all together. *Soke is also a Founder *Soke: The word Soke means: Head of Family in Japanese. It is an Ancient term used by the Samurai to describe the Head of a Martial Art training system/style. Then there is: Soke-Dai, which would mean: The word Soke-Dai means: Inheritor of a Martial Arts System/Style, next in Succession from the Current Soke (another Tang Soo Do (Our Style Frank) example would be: Grand Master HC Hwang, son of the Later Doju Nim Hwang Kee). I will ask around more Frank, but as you have seen with even a simple thing such as, what RELATION 9th Dan Grand Master Kenneth Funakoshi is to Grand Master (who was NOT even a 9th Dan himself) Gichin Funakoshi, HOW MUCH AND MANY DIFFERENT ANSWERS THERE ARE. Simple enough question, and a WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT ANSWERS! :) Peace Frank, Your friend, Steve __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Sharon Tkach" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:06:40 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Dodger Demo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Hello Sharon. Will that be Grand Master Chong Su Kim >and his Dojang? Yes, GM Chong Sung Kim. All the Jang Mu Hapkido schools are participating. ~Sharon --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:48:40 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Bruce ....han bok Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir, Thank you for your clarification. I would like to have the address for the purveyor of the traditional han bok and I shall investigate the "han bok inspired Do bahk". Respectfully, George Peters _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:06:51 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] KMA, Osh Kosh and Bling-Bling Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> Well, that's an interesting point. My only reservation with that is the fact that 95% of so-called "traditional Korean MA" practiced today owes most of it's lineage to Japanese Martial Arts. Now, if you want to argue that the hanbok is more functional or practical as a practice garb...that's one thing. Arguing that it's adoption would better reflect the Korean heritage of the arts...hmmmm, I don't know about that one. (Tangential Rant Begins Here): Then again, I'm of the opinion that most martial artists spend WAY too much time "playing dress up", and being concerned about the historical and ritualistic aspects of their "U-NEE-FORMS" (remember Ernest T Bass from the Andy Griffith show?). Either that, or parroting their favorite instructor/fighter/magazine personality. Back when I was involved in the JKD Concepts world, you could always spot the "fanatic" because every stitch of clothing they owned was either a black sweat pants or black t-shirt...appropriately emblazoned with THIS YEAR'S multi-style logo. Of course, none of this was either preached or required, but that's the direction everyone seemed to gravitate in typical lemming fashion. As much as I love BJJ and MMA, I have to say that I detest the fashion show that comes along with it. "The Look" seems to be shaved head with goatee (a.k.a., suburban white boy in search of instant street credibility), accompanied by "haute couture" from the likes of Tapout, Hunter, Gameness, Hot Blood, etc. Don't even get me started on some of the "kimonos". Then there's the (b)org's that require "official" uniforms and patches. I guess it serves it's purpose. Who knows? I'm not saying everyone should show up in whatever they want to wear (visualizing a grown man doing hyungs in urban camo pants, and a South Park t-shirt), but I think the whole "what should we wear" question takes up WAY too much head space. I'd like to know what people consider "traditional". If you look back at old photos of some of the greats training (Kano, Funakoshi, etc) they had all the fashion sense of a beach comber's convention. Seems to me that they stitched together practical uniforms from whatever cheap fabric they could come up with. The only consideration was probably practicality and durability (some of these guys were poor as church mice). It wasn't until things came stateside, and things went commercial that people decided (and had two nickels to rub together), "Oh, let's hem these frayed cuffs, and let's make it out of high quality cotton, and let's put a pretty patch on the sleeve.". In closing, here's my top three worst martial arts fashion statements of all time. 1. Anything Bruce Lee made fashionable. I can remember people in the 70's and 80's cruising around in those black Chinese slip on shoes. These are folks that had never stepped foot in a Chinese Laundry much less a Gung-fu kwoon, but there were plenty of "croddy guys" wearing them too. Funny thing is that most of them had VERY slick soles. I'd rather get in a fight wearing a pair of brand new tuxedo shows. One of my favorite early training memories was of a brother showing up for an introductory class in the yellow 'Game of Death' track suit. I kid you not. 2. The "Stars-and-Stripes" gi top made fashionable by Bill Wallace and company. And yes, I know some of you still have one...so don't deny it. I used to call it the "Evel Knievel Karate Suit". Yes, you too can jump over the Snake River canyon...with a flying side kick. I'm as patriotic as the next guy, but that thing was T-A-C-K-Y. 3. I'm not even sure I can describe this one, but I'll try. It was made by Century (don't get me started on them), and was kind of popular back in the 80's. It was typically black with colored stripes running down the lapels, around the arm cuffs, and up the outside seam of the pants. The top was cut off at the waist so you had to wear your belt directly over your pants, and the sleeves on the top were about three-quarter length. The top was also kind of open so as to show off your gold chain and horoscope medallion. If you need a visual, Sly Stallone wore one in Rocky 3 right before he seduces Talia Shire (how appropriate), and they're wearing them on the cover of Remy Presas' book 'Modern Arnis' (see Amazon.com). I would have also added to this list Gene LeBell's pink judogi, but I don't rank on people who can break my neck in less than three seconds. There was a point to all of this, but it seems to have been lost in all of the general silliness. Oh well...enjoy. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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