Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:24:03 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #412 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Two Events Upcoming Events in NW Florida (Thomas Gordon) 2. gladewater SBD (George Peters) 3. Re: spearhand break (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 4. Re: Do bok question-- Melinda (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 5. Re: braeswood bbq (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 6. Moja Kwan Seminar (rich hodder) 7. Eddie (FRANK CLAY) 8. Soobahkdo in France (fabrice carfantan) 9. Spearhand training (Rudy Timmerman) 10. Spearhand break (Bert Edens) 11. Re: Traditional Do Bok (Bruce Sims) 12. KMA, Osh Kosh and Bling-Bling (Dragons81@aol.com) 13. conditioning for breaking (Boit Clinton Capt AF/DPMP) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 23:04:18 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Two Events Upcoming Events in NW Florida Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Please pardon the shameless plug for two events our school is hosting in the next six weeks: TOURNAMENT INFO: We are hosting a tournament in Crestview, FL on Saturday, October 23. Crestview is in Northwest Florida panhandle about 50 miles east of Pensacola. There are 60 divisions for point sparring and forms. Cost to compete in one or both is only $35. Let me know if you need any more information. Directions, rules, etc is at www.gordonmartialarts.com/tournament04 _____ ITF GRANDMASTER HWANG SEMINAR: We are hosting Grandmaster Hwang in Crestview, FL on Saturday, November 13. Preregister is only $65 and includes a t-shirt. At the door is $85 and t-shirt is not included. Let me know if you need any more information. Directions, registration, etc is at www.gordonmartialarts.com/seminar111304 We look forward to seeing you! Thomas Gordon 850-682-0720 (leave message if we don't answer) t --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 04:17:11 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] gladewater SBD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir, Our info coming from the same source, I must agree with you that this is what you and I have been taught. One more thing about the uniformity, though. I believe if you check you will find that another important reason for the uniform and bare feet is also to eliminate class distinction in the dojang. Respectfully, George Peters _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 3 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:17:05 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: spearhand break Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net hello everyone, I would like to tell me what are the exercises that help me to break a wooden board by using the spearhand thrust. thanks in advance for your help. gaby ________________________ 1st, make sure your fingernails are cut to the nub...lol. 2nd, i'd find out whether your instructor recommends just letting 'er rip or if they suggest you pull back the middle finger in line with the pointer and ring finger first. i've heard it both ways. 3rd, consider finding something precise to work on for a target. something you can shoot "between" with your thrust. ...or something hanging and slender so that you must be precise to strike it. with a spearhand, youve got to be precise on the break. 4th, find something as a target where you can work on your power. 5th, you can stand at a door in your home, with the door just "almost" shut. get into your extended position with arm out and hips turned, supposedly at the "end" of the thrust. then practise just using the "pop" of your technique to "pop" the door open. 6th, good luck and have fun :) take care, melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy www.cjmaa.com 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply www.cjmas.com 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- Message: 4 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:20:28 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Do bok question-- Melinda Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Melinda: ".....Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy www.cjmaa.com 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply www.cjmas.com 1.877.847.4072......" I still have the Han bok-styled Do bok that I purchased from you a little while back. 1.) Were you ever able to find a uniform of similar styling that was made of a bit heavier material? 2.) Were you ever able to secure the same uniform that I purchased without the embroidered HDGD patch on it already? Best Wishes, Bruce _________________________ hi bruce, no, and no, unfortunately. since these are made in korea and not here, they're ready patched and shipped out. theyre not willing to pull any off the line to keep the patches off. if we keep playing in these uniforms, maybe we'll start a fad and they'll make 'em heavier and without patches for us :) thanks for asking, mel :) Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy www.cjmaa.com 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply www.cjmas.com 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- Message: 5 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:22:28 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: braeswood bbq Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net BMAC to supply BBQ after seminar (byob) Come enjoy the fun and southern hospitality. _______________ when i'm in texas, i'm never sure if that means bring your own booze or bring your own bull for the cookin' take care, melinda (who's better half is a texas native) Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy www.cjmaa.com 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply www.cjmas.com 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "rich hodder" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 07:30:41 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Moja Kwan Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I would like to congratulate Master Instructor Charles Richards for putting on an excellent seminar the weekend of the 25th of September. The location was fantastic, up in the hills of North Georgia and what a beautiful day, sunshine and a cool breeze. Everyone that participated worked very hard and hopefully had a great time and learned some things. As always with USKMAF seminars there were no inflated egos and no politics. The group that came from Auburn were great. I hope ya'll had fun and I look forward to seeing everyone again in Jackson in March and then again on September 24th of next year for the 5th annual Moja Kwan Muntant festival and Charles 20th soire. Rich --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "FRANK CLAY" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 07:44:40 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Eddie Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net < To: Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:17:38 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] traditional Dobok Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My opinion on uniforms is.....WHO CARES. I believe in modern times, dojangs should wear whatever uniform fits their needs. In my opinion, traditional training is the fighting techniques and forms of an art that you teach. If you train in weapons, the traditional Dobok would not be efficient. eddie>> Now you are talking. Did anyone mention that traditionally there was no special garb? Those in CMA trained in whatever they were wearing. Those in JKA trained in a "gi" which was basically their underwear for a kimono... The important thing is whether or not you train. I train in loose fitting clothes typically. I do not don my dobok and midnight blue belt for regular practice. I do have a hanbok which sometimes I wear the pants since they are comfortable. And then in hot weather, in a class, I follow the military lead. Typically we wear a dobok, and if it gets to a certain point we drop the top and wear a uniform t-shirt. Dress does not make the training. Training makes the training. Dress is marketing. Frank --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "fabrice carfantan" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:44:55 +0200 Subject: [The_Dojang] Soobahkdo in France Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello, I practise Soobahkdo in France and I am looking for some videos about forms, kyokpa about Soobahkdo on the net. Thank you fabrice _________________________________________________________________ Bloquez les fenêtres pop-up, c'est gratuit ! http://toolbar.msn.fr --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:52:25 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Spearhand training Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Gaby writes: Hello Gaby. I used to have a large can of beans that I thrust my hand into, then later I used sand. I also used to close doors with a spearhand, as the door would move to facilitate the exercise. Yet, I have to caution you against using the fingers to break wood. I broke my finger at the last demo (my 20th annual tournament anniversary) I did this break at, and you know what... it was just not worth it. It does not impress people, and it is hard on the hand. It took me some growing up before I realized that though lol. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:52:44 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Bert Edens Subject: [The_Dojang] Spearhand break Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net At 05:01 9/30/04, you wrote: >whoa...lol. you need years of PROPER conditioning similar to iron palm >training. Actually, in my opinion, to even start with, you need to begin >with iron palm training, and then move onto the fingertips. Both of which >require years to reach the desired goal. a broad example of exercises are >spearhand strikes in sand, dirt, small beans, working your way up to rocks >and buck shot. > >Jye Greetings, sir! And don't forget the one of the other all-important pieces: speed :) <> - Bert Edens Springdale, Arkansas --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 07:51:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Sims To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Traditional Do Bok Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Eddie: ".....My opinion on uniforms is.....WHO CARES. I believe in modern times, dojangs should wear whatever uniform fits their needs. In my opinion, traditional training is the fighting techniques and forms of an art that you teach. If you train in weapons, the traditional Dobok would not be efficient......" Just about the time I was going to let your post slide I read the last line and figured someone needed to let you know that you apparently don't know what you are talking about, and if I let your misinformation slide then some poor shmoe might take what you wrote as accurate. Please allow me to enlighten you. 1.) First off, "I" care. I am not the world, or even Hapkido in America. But I DO care. It makes a difference to me if people teach authentic Hapkido or $*** sold under the title of "hapkido". It makes a difference to me. It makes a difference when some TKD school slaps "hapkido" up on their window right between "kung fu" and "Brazilian Ju-jutsu". It makes a difference when an otherwise well-educated Korean national tells me that Hapkido doesn't exist as its just a "mix of TKD and Judo". It makes a difference when some pimple-y twerp with a new TSD cho-dan takes an Aikido class and promptly says he now teaches Hapkido. 2.) Secondly, whether you care to admit it or not, the Hapkido arts are NOT just techniques or fighting. Maybe thats all YOU are interested in and thats fine. The Hapkido arts represent an aspect of Korean culture, Korean history and Korean philosophy. Maybe you don't care to give that part of the arts their just due. Maybe you don't know that much about it and are too lazy to inform yourself--- I don't know: I'm not you. However, with the overwhelming numbers of folks who would rather take your part than mine, it is worth it to me to say something when people spout the sort of uninformed drivel you just drooled across your keyboard. 3.) Lastly, your position will not serve you well in the future. With such a shallow understanding of KMA I predict that you will lose interest as you youth and health flag into middle age. At that point you will give yourself over to one of two ends. One possibliity is that you will continue to teach but accrue a catalogue of excuses for students who see that your understanding and execution are inadequate. The other possibility is that you will desert KMA in a hail of sour grapes reporting to anyone who will listen that it was all just B***s*** in the first place. As odd as it might seem I will still care about these results if for no other reason than their impact on the next generation. FWIW. BTW: Where did you ever come up with that assinine information about a traditional do bok being "inefficient"? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Dragons81@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:34:46 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] KMA, Osh Kosh and Bling-Bling Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net That and Sho'Nuff's gi from The Last Dragon. Just for fun, is there anywhere off the Internet I can order Sho'Nuff or Cobra Kai costumes? I mean, Halloween is coming up. > Message: 7 > From: "Jon Payne" > To: "The_Dojang" > Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:56:08 -0500 > Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: KMA, Osh Kosh and Bling-Bling > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > Craig, > You left out the "Cobra Kai" sleeveless black gi with gold trim > from the Karate Kid. Used to see a few like that. > > Waxing Off, > Jon --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:03:36 -0400 From: "Boit Clinton Capt AF/DPMP" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] conditioning for breaking Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In my years of training and instructing, conditioning of body parts has been never needed. The conditioning should occur through day-to-day training. I have done spear-hand many times, palm through many bricks and ridge hands -- and they have never required conditioning. The key to having a successful break without injury is executing the technique cleanly and properly. I have yet to see any data to suggest that one can condition their bones (spear hand, ridge hand, knuckle strikes) by hitting hard objects repeatedly. You might build a good callus but that's about it. Clint Boit --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest