Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:34:02 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #413 - 16 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: Not Military? (Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)) 2. KTA & Kukkiwon dan certifications (Tkdsid@aol.com) 3. Re: KTA & Kukkiwon dan certifications (Ray Terry) 4. Mr. Sims (FRANK CLAY) 5. training clothes (Sharon Tkach) 6. Last Dragon (michael tomlinson) 7. Conditioning (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 8. Spear Hand Training (Stovall, Craig) 9. Soo bahk Do in France (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 10. Re: KMA, Osh Kosh and Bling-Bling & Ray in his Sho Nuff Outfit (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 11. Re: Re: KMA, Osh Kosh and Bling-Bling & Ray in his Sho Nuff (Ray Terry) 12. Do Bok thread (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 13. Hangul (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 14. uniforms (Ray Terry) 15. RE: Uniforms (Michael Rowe) --__--__-- Message: 1 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Not Military? Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:22:15 -0500 From: "Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have rarely seen our Granmaster Duk Song Son wear anything other than a t-shirt his belt and uniform pants. Even at tournaments or testing. There are tons of pictures of him leading classes with no shirt and his belt and pants. Students often come to class wearing t-shirts. As for myself, I like to wear my 14 oz cotton uniform top and bottom throughout class. With a heavier uniform, I seem to warm up faster in class. It also cuts down on all of those nasty cuts from other students not trimming their toenails. (yeesh!) As for class not all being in uniform, it doesn't seem to detract from class. I will admit that if you have a large class, all with the exact same uniform, practicing forms in unison does make an awesome impression; however the everyday class is not intended to be a demonstration. Brian -----Original Message----- From: FRANK CLAY [mailto:frankclay@msn.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 8:34 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Not Military? <> I don't think I agree with this. I can remember more than once taking off my BDU top and rolling up my pants legs when we got to Cat 4 and 5 heat. Frank _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1700 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:34:59 -0400 From: Tkdsid@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] KTA & Kukkiwon dan certifications Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Does anyone know whether a KTA dan certificate can be converted (fee notwithstanding) into a kukkiwon dan? Sincerely, Sid Rubinfeld --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] KTA & Kukkiwon dan certifications To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Does anyone know whether a KTA dan certificate can be converted (fee > notwithstanding) into a kukkiwon dan? I believe that most all of the KTA-only dan certs out there are bogus. The KTA goes through the Kukkiwon most (all?) of the time for dan promotions. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "FRANK CLAY" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:52:43 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Mr. Sims Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce, Is it really necessary to act in such a pompous manner to someone who voices a different opinion than your own? I have been to Eddie's school for a seminar, and rest assured he IS the real deal. I watched him coach some people in the use of the Dao, and in fact I was one of them. I don't know why you think that if people have a different opinion than your own, they don't know what they are talking about. As you stated, you are a no one. Just like the rest of us. Nothing makes your journey more or less significant than ours. Incidentally Eddie, who IS a Sabum (and not some pimply cho dan) does not claim to teach Hapkido. From what I have seen, he enjoys rigorous training... and somehow I don't think he would disrespect a senior by using profanity or acting improperly in that seniors dojang. What truly amazes me is that you seem to think you are the only credible source of knowledge in Hapkido, and KMA for that matter, and yet you failed to complete your event with Master Whalen... and you think that we should give you credibility? Between Eddie, and the visiting instructor, we trained our swords pretty decently. Heck, I thought my wrist might fall off... and what did Eddie do? Made sure I was still doing it right... Bruce, its time to learn tact. I would think as a well-educated counselor, you would have learned that by now... either way, can't you learn to be a little more user friendly? f. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Sharon Tkach" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:24:50 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] training clothes Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Typically we wear a dobok, and if it gets to a certain point we drop >the top and wear a uniform t-shirt. > >Dress does not make the training. Training makes the training. Dress is >marketing. > Just curious.... Do you end up with a lot of torn t-shirts or do you not throw when wearing t-shirts? What about garment grabs? Having had many fingerprint bruises through a heavy dobok, it must get pretty tough on the skin in a t-shirt. No mat burns? Dress is marketing? Perhaps for some. For us, it allows for a higher level of contact and execution, while being economically responsible in the clothing department. ~Sharon --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:34:13 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Last Dragon Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I loved the Last Dragon,,, that was a great movie,, lots of action, totally goofy, it had Vanity in it... she used to be a babe... and cool storyline.... Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:52:44 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Conditioning Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have done many breaks in my training. In the Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan organization we do not allow spacers between boards or smaller widths or softer boards for demonstraions. The purpose for breaking is to demonstrate and guage your focus of energy in a particular technique. With that said I believe it is important to condition your body, especially the part you are going to strike with. The bone will adapt as will the skin and sourounding tissue. I twisted my ankle about 3 years ago. I went to the doctor to get and x ray because I thought i may have broked it. It turns out I did not break it but the doctor showed me the x ray. He pointed out that on the ball of my foot a calsium deposit had grown, thickening the area I strike with on front kick. For more data see page 121 of the first volume text book Tang Soo Do (Soo Bahk Do) Moo Duk Kwan written by Grandmaster Hwang Kee. This subject is addressed and there are x ray pictures of a person with no martial arts training and a person with years of martial arts training. The bone and the tissue has thicken. All so I have broken my fist two knuckles of my right hand several times. The skin and tissue over those two knuckles has grafted to the bone. The skin no longer floats freely over the knuckle and the nerves are dead. This has allowed me to focus more energy to a target as my technique has improved over the years without harming my hand.Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:56:19 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Spear Hand Training Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'll say one thing about the spear hand break. You have to realize that some folks have bone structure that is favorable for this kind of breaking, and some do not. Personally, I have an average frame with slightly thin bone structure. It works great for things like running and jumping. It doesn't work so great for smashing inanimate objects into dust. My fingers are rather long and thin, and no amount of conditioning in the world is going to make them appropriate for hard spear hand breaks. Someone like my dad (whose fingers are short and thick) could have probably trained to have a "spear hand of death". Just be aware that a lot of the folks that you see doing these stunts are demonstrating certain nuances of their genetic make-up (shorter, thicker bone structures), rather than the results of specialized training. Take a look at yourself and make sure that you're built for this kind of thing to begin with. There's no sense wasting hours learning to do this trick if you have a long, willowy frame. Concentrate on things that you may have a more natural talent for. Bottom line, if you have the bone structure for it then you'll be able to do it with little to no training. If not, prepare to be frustrated and/or injured a lot. Just my opinion. 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Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:04:46 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Soo bahk Do in France Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I can help you with the information you request about Soo bahk. I will find out what is available and let you know. I am curious however about your e-mail address "taekwonfu". Are you a member of the Eruo Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan Federation. JCGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:08:12 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: KMA, Osh Kosh and Bling-Bling & Ray in his Sho Nuff Outfit Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net That and Sho'Nuff's gi from The Last Dragon. Just for fun, is there anywhere off the Internet I can order Sho'Nuff or Cobra Kai costumes? I mean, Halloween is coming up. _________________________ ask ray. he and i were talking the other day and he said he liked walking around dressed up like that. matter of fact, he sent me a pic. y'all might not recognise him with the shades, goatee and fro, though: http://members.aol.com/chunjido/shonuffrayterry.html lookin' good, ray. take care, mel Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy www.cjmaa.com 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply www.cjmas.com 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: KMA, Osh Kosh and Bling-Bling & Ray in his Sho Nuff To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > ask ray. he and i were talking the other day and he said he liked walking > around dressed up like that. matter of fact, he sent me a pic. y'all might not > recognise him with the shades, goatee and fro, though: Folks, Mel needs some orders... as she clearly has far too much free time on her hands. :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:23:32 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Do Bok thread Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce I have to agree with you. I respect Hapkido for what it is, although I am a US Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan member. This type of think is why the US Soo bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan federation has been going through all the legal action about trademarks and other things. Some believe they can teach in a "T" shirt and abandon the military protocal of the art and still call it Soo bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan. I don't want to see the Soo bahk Do name or Moo Duk Kwan name on a window between TKD, Akido, and Judo. Unless they are certified by the fouding organization and following the guidelines set by the founder. Unfortunitly some think because they took a Hapkido seminar two summers ago they are qualified to teach it. To see a school teaching under the name of a particular art and wearing anything less than appropreate traditional wear is disrespectful to the art its self. We should represent the art we study not our own personal ideas of fashion and comfort. JCGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:30:02 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hangul Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Terry You are corect I was referring to the hangul writting. Thank You JCGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 14 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] uniforms Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Folks. You should be more concerned about the quality of your instruction than in how pretty your instructor's uniform is... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 15 From: "Michael Rowe" To: Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:18:01 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Uniforms Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce, Bruce, Bruce. Just about the time I was going to let your post slide I read the last line and figured someone needed to let you know that you apparently don't know what you are talking about, and if I let your misinformation slide then some poor shmoe might take what you wrote as accurate. Please allow me to enlighten you. <<1.) First off, "I" care. I am not the world, or even Hapkido in America. But I DO care. It makes a difference to me if people teach authentic Hapkido or $*** sold under the title of "hapkido". It makes a difference to me. It makes a difference when some TKD school slaps "hapkido" up on their window right between "kung fu" and "Brazilian Ju-jutsu". It makes a difference when an otherwise well-educated Korean national tells me that Hapkido doesn't exist as its just a "mix of TKD and Judo". It makes a difference when some pimple-y twerp with a new TSD cho-dan takes an Aikido class and promptly says he now teaches Hapkido. >> The man said it was his opinion. But really Bruce does it matter if you wear a traditional Hanbok or BDU pants, t-shirt, and wrestling shoes? Your techniques are still the same are they not? But in the end it does not matter, unless you are profession to teach a Traditional Korean Martial Art in a Traditional Manner. If you, on the other hand, want to teach self-defense to nurses to help them handle patients that become violent. Well then you don't need to wear the traditional garb. You can teach in scrubs and the type of shoes that they wear. <<2.) Secondly, whether you care to admit it or not, the Hapkido arts are NOT just techniques or fighting. Maybe thats all YOU are interested in and thats fine. The Hapkido arts represent an aspect of Korean culture, Korean history and Korean philosophy. Maybe you don't care to give that part of the arts their just due. Maybe you don't know that much about it and are too lazy to inform yourself--- I don't know: I'm not you. However, with the overwhelming numbers of folks who would rather take your part than mine, it is worth it to me to say something when people spout the sort of uninformed drivel you just drooled across your keyboard. >> Hapkido is an interesting martial art. But uniforms do not matter, history, philosophy, and technique do, clothing only matters tactically. Hapkido students originally wore Judo Gi. Why? Well as you obviously know it was the best garment at the time to be worn. Suh Bok Sub was a Judo student. It was a durable garment. But of course what do I know, I a member of an organization that is supposedly full of Bulls*#$%. Michael Rowe "All I ask is a chance to prove that money can't make me happy. " mp_rowe@cox.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest