Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 08:06:10 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #420 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Help: Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..." <<------------------ The_Dojang mailing list ------------------>> Serving the Internet since June 1994. Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1700 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Life in Korea - The Koreans by Michael Breen (A. Boyd) 2. RE: pyang forms? (Rick Clark) 3. Dr. Jung Hwan Park (was Re: Last Dragon) (BK4Leg@aol.com) 4. Re: Soo bahk Do in France (fabrice carfantan) 5. Re: spinkicks (Klaas Barends) 6. Re: Kick Guidance (Bruce Sims) 7. Rowe's intellect (michael tomlinson) 8. Re:Hand conditioning (ISA Headquarters) 9. RE: Pivotal Point (Stovall, Craig) 10. ITSDA Convention 2004 (John Hancock) 11. Re: Shoes (dean_lopez@houston-f-body.org) 12. Eruo Soo Bahk Do (Gladewater SooBahkDo) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 21:03:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "A. Boyd" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Life in Korea - The Koreans by Michael Breen Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce's positive comments about life here in Korea brought back a lot of memories. I remember when I first came here and my primary social interest was to observe a culture built on traditions. I felt like North American culture was a minimalist, 'do what you want when you want', watered-down amalgam of TV morality and Hollywood ambitions. [As a Canadian, I also felt a lot of that "Probably can't do it" spirit.] I was hungry to participate in a society where there was a deep, homogenous culture with rich traditions. I wish I had known what a rich and wonderful culture Canada has *before* I left for Asia, I may have made fewer mistakes here. I saw what I wanted to see for quite a long time. Things are so different and motivations so unfamiliar that my wife and I misinterpreted a lot of what we experienced in the beginning. Like any journey, there are ups and downs. While Bruce was here I briefly mentioned this on a subway trip out to visit Andrew Pratt. We go through cycles of fitting in followed by homesickness, fascination followed by irritation, curiousity followed by stunned bewilderment. Depending on the season, an ex-pat living in Korea might be a reliable source of information or a source of defamation. It's hard to tell. I'm thrilled that Bruce had such a positive experience here, but I think it should be taken with a grain of salt, he really didn't have time to shed his cultural 'default setting', and all the people he met were no doubt on their best behaviour - he was a newcomer among them and like people everywhere, Koreans like to make a good impression with new acquaintances. There is a deep-rooted trend toward passionate generosity here that can sometimes get out of hand - going farther than the giver intends. There is a whole skill set to recognizing the appropriateness of a gift (be it time, information, food, whatever), and another set to knowing how to accept or refuse it. Breen is an expert on Korean culture and at the time of printing, his book 'The Koreans' was a dead-on characterization of Seoul-ites and to a great extent the country as a whole. There is an important caveat there and Breen mentions it himself: the country can change overnight. It can and it does. The weather shifts overnight, fashion shifts with the wind, slang, slogans, views, alignments, and even ancient traditions are all subject to instant change. Sometimes this change is seamless and nearly invisible, sometimes it rolls along with a soccer ball, while still other times it comes with a firebomb and a fist. Here, change is a constant. On Friday there was a clothing store on the corner near my apartment, today (Monday) it sells O-Deng (fishmeal on a stick). Korea is full of wonderful people and customs and whatnot - just like home. Korea is full of idiots and criminals - just like home. It's not all one way or the other - and really, when is anything outside of Star Wars that black and white? For every doting adherent to Korea's *Neo-Confuciansim*, there is someone who is being forced to submit and chafing under the yoke. I once prepared a lesson on *Confucianism* for a high-level language class. Of the ten students, zero were aware of the reciprocal arrangement designed by "Confucious" or the fact that Elders owed something, anything, to those below them. Food for thought? ===== Anthony Boyd: Swordsman and English Teacher www.stormpages.com/haidonggumdo ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Rick Clark" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] pyang forms? Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 20:23:27 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ken, If I were you I would just get "Karate Do Kyohan" by G. Funakoshi it has all of the forms. While they are not exactly the same as you would find in Song Moo Kwan if you saw the form done you would be able to use the Funokoshi book as way to remember the movements. After all the Koreans used Shotokan as a basis for the early systems. Also, if you can get a copy of Gen. Choi's 1960ish book on Taekwon Do it will have the forms listed but no pictures to give you an idea on how the forms were done. Rick Clark If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking. --General George S. Patton www.ao-denkou-kai.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken [mailto:ruawarrior@northstate.net] > Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 6:45 PM > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] pyang forms? > > Does anyone know were you can purchase A book with the pyang forms in the > song > moo kwan style of tae Kwon do I study the kuk ki ryu style of song moo > kwan. > thanks, Ken > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1700 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 3 From: BK4Leg@aol.com Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 00:40:24 EDT Subject: [The_Dojang] Dr. Jung Hwan Park (was Re: Last Dragon) To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Chris asked, >>"I've heard of Dr. Park a few times (and, iirc, he used to have an add in "Taekwon-Do Times" for a TKD and HKD organization) but don't know his background. Any information or interesting stories to share?"<< Soem of the details are a bit fuzzy; Dr. Park did not often talk about himself, except in response to direct questions. As my aging memory serves : As an ROK lieutenant in Vietnam, he was captured by the VC. After a day or so of beatings and such, he managed to escape, using his martial arts. He was then captured in Cambodia by their army, and held prisoner for many months. This ordeal took a permanent toll on his body, although he seldom mentioned it. As a young man, he was a very successful TKD competitor, and I believe won some national championships in Korea. In Korea he was trained as a veterinarian, but upon coming to the US could not get licensed and so made his living teaching TKD and HKD. He taught all the classes himself. For a beginner as I was, this was like having Eric Clapton as your guitar teacher. There was continued emphasis on polishing techniques - clean, strong, effective. As I previously mentioned Mike Wollmershauser used to drive down from Massachusetts to train with GM Dr. Park. Those were some interesting Friday evenings, esp after formal class ended. On occasion, I recall a man named Larry Kelly coming with him; his interest was in full contact sparring and he also received the benefit of GM Dr. Park's knowledge and skill. Even way back then, he respected the training of boxers, both the conditioning and the footwork. I remember even as a white belt or yellow belt doing light contact sparring; most schools at the time were no contact until a student was at least green belt. As a student grew more advanced, a fuller degree of contact was allowed. One of Dr. Park's students, Billy Felton, qualified to represent the US in Korea in what was probably one of the first teams sent over there. More than anything else, he was able to instill in his students the martial spirit, that fullness of heart that enables one to meet many of life's challenges. regards, Bernie --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "fabrice carfantan" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Soo bahk Do in France Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:07:33 +0200 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net For the moment, it doesn't exist a euro soobahkdo website. Some members have their own website. In France, we are building our website. I hope it will be ready soon! >From: Ray Terry >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Soo bahk Do in France >Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:29:35 -0700 (PDT) > > > yes, in France, we are a little group (20 persons) who practise >Soobahkdo. > > Our association is a member of the Euro Soo bahk do moo duk kwan. > >Does the Euro SBD MDK assoc have a website? I'd like to link to it. I >don't >find one via Google. > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 1700 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ Bloquez les fenêtres pop-up, c'est gratuit ! http://toolbar.msn.fr --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Klaas Barends Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 20:17:02 +0900 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: spinkicks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > How can one break up those techniques into teachable ones... > What are the things to look for in the whole technique to improve > upon, think > of the most made mistakes kind of things > What is the focus in the mind in this technique, is it thinking of > jumping or > thinking of spinning or not teh least thinking of the kick... To improve your speed and balance. Wind your upper body up, return, repeat 3 times, kick In the beginning you can let them use their arms to make speed. Wind your body up, by swinging your arms around your body. At the end of each wind-up, look at the target. RELAX! Kick with your heel! If you use kicking target, you can keep another target above it. If both get touched, the kick was not good. -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ http://www.sangmookwan.com/ --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 05:25:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Sims To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Kick Guidance Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear S: ".....My questions are: How can one break up those techniques into teachable ones...What are the things to look for in the whole technique to improve upon, think of the most made mistakes kind of things What is the focus in the mind in this technique, is it thinking of jumping or thinking of spinning or not teh least thinking of the kick..." I could answer all of your questions in a very long post but then you would only have one kick addressed. My suggestion is that you purchase THE COMPLETE MASTERS KICK by Hee Il Cho. It will be the best $20 you ever spent. The author breaks the most common, basic kicks into key points, demonstrates weight work and stretching recommendations for each kick to increase performance and addresses key points to avoid injury as you train into each kick. It is truly one of those reference books that practitioners of TKD, TSD and HKD can use and should have on hand. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 12:50:04 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Rowe's intellect Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mike writes: Actually, he is still superman, his abilities do not change just the perception of outsiders to his abilities. Clark is still bulletproof. The uniform is not the source of his power, neither is the uniform the source of our skills. Michael Rowe I like that, very well said...... Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "ISA Headquarters" To: Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:34:06 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re:Hand conditioning Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Esteemed colleagues, My first 10-15 years of MA training consisted of conditioning the hands, shins and feet. This conditioning included striking increasingly harder objects from sand to concrete. I now have a good friend "arthur" who is concentratred in my hands, feet and everywhere else I abused my body (like doing falls on very hard surfaces.) I will turn 60 in January and would suggest to all the younger members of the DD, that they avoid all this conditioning junk. As you grow older you wisely learn that it is perfect technique and speed that gets the job done. Not how many calouses you have or how many times you can kick a tree to harden your shins or toes. Thankfully, I did use a Dit Da Jow during my training, but it didn't keep the arthritis away. Respectfully, George I. Petrotta ISA Director http://www.sungjado.org isahdq@sc.rr.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 08:40:49 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Pivotal Point Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> Because my opinion is valued and enjoyed by some of the members here, and I like a lot of the information that I read on this list. Sometimes I hit home runs, and sometimes I strike out. I've explained my connections to "Korean" Martial Arts before. The two points that you made in your post...I don't agree. 'Nuff said. See how easy that is? I didn't have to drop my pants like you did over Eddie's post. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by email or telephone. You are instructed to destroy any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of this communication if you are not the intended recipient. Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "John Hancock" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 09:01:47 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] ITSDA Convention 2004 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I just wanted to share this information.  The following is a letter sent out by the new ITSDA President: Dear ITSDA Members, Well, we pulled it off....despite some last minute schedule changes and logistical issues, the 2004 ITSDA Convention and 1st Congress was an overwhelming success.  We had members representing North Carolina, Kentucky, Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan, & New York in attendance.  We had two days full of great seminars.  Special thanks to Mr. Gary Horner for stepping up to the plate at the last minute and volunteering to teach the staff, and also to Master Bruce Sims of Yeon Moo Kwan Hapkido, who flew all the way from Chicago at his own expense to share his expertise with us (he will soon be receiving an ITSDA Associate Members certificate, as well as a small gift from ITSDA as a token of our gratitude).  In addition to some great networking and exchanging of information with a lot of knowledgeable teachers, we also accomplished a great deal from the business end of the organization.  We now have a ratified (and somewhat revised) Constitution.  This will be available shortly on the website for all members to review.  In addition, we have done something historical which has never been done (to my knowledge) by any other TSD organization.  We have transferred power from one administration to another.  Master John Hancock, who served diligently as President from 2001-Oct. 2004 has now stepped down, and we have new officers elected by the membership.  The new officers for the ITSDA are as follows: President-Yours Truly (Jon Plyler)Vice-President-Jason LaddHistorian-Bill ChurchSgt. at Arms-Steve Riggs Thank you all in advance for your willingness to help to better this organization, and I look forward to working with all of you in the future.  I will say that it is a somewhat overwhelming task that lies ahead of me as the new President, and I hope that I can continue to lead this organization in a manner consistent with its past leaders.  Thanks again to Master Hancock, for all the hard work and dedication that he has given to this organization.  I know it's growth has been tremendous in the last few years, and I look forward to its continued success.  If I can do anything to be of assistance to any of you or if you have any concerns, comments, or suggestions in regard to the administration of ITSDA, please don't hesitate to contact me.  Again, I really enjoyed working with everyone this past weekend, and meeting many of you for the first time.  For those of you who couldn't make it, we'll have to catch up the next time around.  Plans are already in the works for a similar event next year (Mr. Church has already volunteered his facility in Michigan!).  We'll try to spread it around, so that everyone can have an opportunity to attend.  For now, you'll just have to enjoy the pictures from this years convention, which will be posted on the website soon.  Again, thanks to everyone who came down (or up as the case may be).  I had a blast, and I'm looking forward to next year.  I look forward to the opportunity to serve all of the members of ITSDA in the future. Sincerely, Jon PlylerPresident, ITSDA    ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:40:19 -0500 From: dean_lopez@houston-f-body.org To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Shoes Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi all, I'm not going to try to convince anyone about the pros and cons of wearing MA shoes, or training for real life situations with dress shoes and slacks, etc. I just thought I'd pass along a recommendation to those looking for good MA shoes. :) I usually train barefooted, but there are times when we train outside, weather permitting, in the parking lot on rough concrete, and it's very uncomfortable on bare feet. For those occaisions, I use Mooto "Wings". They are a slip-on style shoe, but surprisingly, I find I have great control with them on. They are very lightweight and comfortble. For those interested in considering training shoes, and not knowing what to get, you might want to check them out. Dean Black Belt Candidate Kuk Sool Won of Katy, TX Quoting Joseph Pierini : > Everything changes when you're wearing a pair of lace-up leather Florsheims > and dress kahki Dockers. > > Joe > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1700 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 10:00:59 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Eruo Soo Bahk Do Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sir; I am glad to hear from my brothers in France. I will do all I can to help you with the material you request. Please e-mail me dirrectly gladewatersoobahkdo@msn.com Respectfully; JC Cox Region 6 US Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan Ko Dan JaGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest