Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 09:10:03 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #423 - 15 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Superman/Clark Kent (Kai Jade) 2. RE: RE: Training in France (fabrice carfantan) 3. breaking and conditioning (michael tomlinson) 4. RE: Video Clip....hand speed (Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy) 5. tournaments (Michael Whalen) 6. Breaking and Conditioning (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 7. Broken Leg (Braeswood Martial Arts) 8. Re: RE: Video Clip....hand speed (Ray Terry) 9. Documentary about North Korea (Ray Terry) 10. jump spin kicks (Charles Richards) 11. Breaking and conditioning (Rudy Timmerman) 12. Respect (Rudy Timmerman) 13. San- Antonio (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 14. Broken Leg (Bert Edens) 15. Re: RE: Video Clip....hand speed (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Kai Jade" To: Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:32:40 +1000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Superman/Clark Kent Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "With out his tights Superman is only Clark Kent." Actually, he is still superman, his abilities do not change just the perception of outsiders to his abilities. Clark is still bullet-proof. The uniform is not the source of his power, neither is the uniform the source of our skills. Michael Rowe "All I ask is a chance to prove that money can't make me happy. " mp_rowe@cox.net When he wears the uniform, he IS Superman, not simply Clark Kent. Superman is a hero, with all the incumbent responsibilities to the people he has chosen to serve. He adheres to a code of ethics and principles, using his skills to protect and fight for justice. Clark Kent has the same skills and abilities, and yes, he is still bullet-proof, but he doesn't act with the same intent and is not bound by the same restrictions. In fact he is anonymous. He is free to use or not use his weapons as he sees fit with no fear of judgement, repercussion, or retaliation. In this case, it is the uniform that he chooses to wear to step into the public arena and declare his loyalties and his motivations that ultimately makes him responsible. It is symbol to himself and others of the path he has chosen, the sacrifices made and yet to come. Some may question his commitment to the path, since he can change clothes at any time, and once again sink into anonymity. Perhaps no-one can be Superman all the time. But while he proudly wears that big garish S on his chest, he is totally focussed on what he has chosen to be. A warrior can't pull on his uniform, and ignore the consequences of being a warrior. "With out his tights Superman is only Clark Kent." To many martial artists, myself included, wearing a uniform is about a whole lot more than playing dress-up and trying to impress. I can fight wearing anything, but when I am in my dobok, I feel a connection to that commitment I made a long time ago; a sense of clarity about why I train in the first place. To me, it is part of the Way. Peace Kai Jade --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "fabrice carfantan" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: Training in France Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 11:37:06 +0200 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello, I practise Soobahkdo in Paris, but i don't know Priscilla Moore. Have you got more information about her? i would like to contact her. Thank you fabrice Carfantan >From: "Ken Nessworthy" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Training in France >Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 21:05:18 +0100 > >I know of a small group in Paris which is run by Priscilla Moore - Cho Dan, >She currently has 4 students but is working hard to increase her student >base. > >Regarding the Euro Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan could you please tell me more. >:o) > >Pil Sung > >Ken >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 1700 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger http://g.msn.fr/FR1001/866 : dialoguez en direct et gratuitement avec vos amis ! --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 12:05:37 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] breaking and conditioning Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net That was a great story J.R. West posted about breaking. It really fits in IMHO with the philosophy of Hapkido. Altering your hand structure with calcium and calluses doesn't seem to be the way of Harmonious power to me.... Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 09:24:09 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Video Clip....hand speed Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye: Not to sound like a skeptic of your hand speed videos you post but I do have a question for you and others who may be able to shed some light on this. Don't get me wrong, the guy in your clips is very fast with this hands indeed, but what is up with all of the foot stomping and smacking of the free hand against his own chest while striking?? Is this just for "show"? To be impressive to those out there with no m.a. experience and would not know any better? The guy smacks his own chest with one hand while striking his opponent with the other hand in order to make a loud smacking sound. Why? In TKD you are, or should, be taught to bring your opposite hand to your hip area to add power in the technique(reference Gen Choi's Reaction Force element within the Theory of Power). Just wondering why this dude is doing all that slapping of his own chest and stomping of his feet.... Ok, I had more than one question... Thanks. James Morgan GTKDA --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Michael Whalen" To: "dojang digest" Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 08:54:32 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] tournaments Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In the past I have always competed in tournaments. These last 20-24 months I have changed my wants from KSW to focus more on energy and internal benefits (I'm 47). I no longer have ANY,NONE,NO desire to compete. There's the dilema. I have been asked by my instructor (directly) and by other classmates (indirectly) to compete. Am I being selfish in not doing so? Or should I just do it for the benefit/ranking of the school? Thanking any feedback in advance, Michael the undecided Whalen KSWnut --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 09:02:56 -0500 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Breaking and Conditioning Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Chris, I have never been a big fan of breaking, and I have been in martial arts a little over 30. Now there are some valid reasons to break, say testing and maybe some demos to keep the school going. But I think that most breaking is done in just showing off. I did a little conditioning when I first started, but I am convinced that knuckle pushups are all that anyone need do to provide reasonable conditioning for light to moderate breaking. For heavier breaks, I've always prefered knife hand or palm heel. I also think speed breaks show more skill. I would not recommend breaking with spearhand for anyone, as Master Rudy shared recently, it always has the potential for injury. I don't have problems with arthuritis or loss of motility or dexterity in my hands. Danny Dunn <<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Braeswood Martial Arts" To: Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 09:18:32 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Broken Leg Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Scott, 1st of all... I am sorry to hear you got hurt and hope you heal quickly. Just to relate a story from my dojang... one of my students broke her patela (knee cap) during a seminar last July. She was in a thigh to ankle cast for 5 weeks... only took the week between acident and surgery off (her choice for best sport ortho surgeon her insurance would cover instead of ER resident). She was back and training as much as she could as soon as she was casted. She is now in a demobilizer and has been in PT for 3-4 weeks... we had sparring week last week and she was in the ring doing what she could. She states frequently she prefers her PT at the dojang over the PT prescribed by the doc. We are hoping she will be able to test this month for her blue belt stripe. Until the cast of off I did not teach her any of her new material and she finally realized how much you can learn by slowing down, looking and listening. I had ACL replacement last December and have been teaching without my brace since last week. As far as looking down on those who do not spar... I am sure this perspective will change as you approach black belt... but I can understand and agree that it is a good life skill. As we are a Hapkido school we sometimes "fight" (no rules) instead of "spar" and those students who do not particular like to spar seem to really enjoy the "fighting" weeks. Hope this helps and remember stay focused and continue your mental training while you unable to physically train. Good luck! Kat --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Video Clip....hand speed To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 07:42:57 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Not to sound like a skeptic of your hand speed videos you post but I do have a > question for you and others who may be able to shed some light on this. > Don't get me wrong, the guy in your clips is very fast with this hands indeed, > but what is up with all of the foot stomping and smacking of the free hand > against his own chest while striking?? Is this just for "show"? I haven't watched the clip, but I think I know what you are referring to. You see it some in the Filipino arts and the Indonesian arts. It has several purposes... it can distract the opponent, it can be used for timing (rhythm training), you can use it to 'rebound' your hand back toward the target for a follow-up strike (strike, follow-thru, rebound off your chest or thigh, strike again), etc. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 07:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Documentary about North Korea Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... last week Dutch television broadcast the documentary "North Korea: A day in life" by the Dutch director Pieter Fleury. He has a webpage about the film at http://www.goldenmonkey.nl/index2.htm The entire film, as well as the reaction of the North Korean "actors" when he screened the film there, can be viewed online at the Dutch TV station VPRO's site: http://www.vpro.nl/programma/tegenlicht/afleveringen/18793755/ (The links are on the right hand side, titled "Video" - the first one is the 48min film itself, the second one are pictures from the screening in North Korea). The film is in Korean (and some English), with Dutch subtitles. I suppose many of you may find it worth watching even if you cannot read Dutch. Best wishes, Otfried Cheong --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 07:48:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] jump spin kicks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I read "My questions are: How can one break up those techniques into teachable ones... What are the things to look for in the whole technique to improve upon, think of the most made mistakes kind of things What is the focus in the mind in this technique, is it thinking of jumping or thinking of spinning or not teh least thinking of the kick..." MC Reply Dear SikkiMan, I agree, but give my students a few things to focus on 1. The head is the heaviest part of your body and for other reasons must lead, so I remind them to spin the head around aggressively and everything else kinda follows....I remind them not to have the kicking leg leave the floor before they see the target. 2. Just as you said, and others have said about ice skating... want to spin fast keep your elbows in close to the body, which BTW allows you to follow with hand techniques if/when your spin technique misses. 3. Spinning tops come to a point at the spinning end for a reason...to minimize friction, thus allowing you to spin faster, so we spin on the ball of the foot (like ballet). We don't spin on the heel, nor do we rock from ball to heel. I've seen that, but can't understand why anyone would want to put that much stress on the knee? 4. Once they master (oops become adept) at those skills, they have the foundation for jump spinning. We also teach jump kicks before jump spinning, so they should have some of the other development done. We have drills that involve the jump and leg tuck and rotate to the finished position without kicking. 5. Then we kick targets. Double paddles for cirular/through techniques and Air shield for linear/to techniques (spin Back, nadobahn). Hope that helps, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:59:50 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Breaking and conditioning Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net JR Writes: > When his demonstration was over, he walked towards us and > said to my friend, "God made your hand to work the best for you, and > now you > try to make it better....You think you know more than God?"...It was > the > last time EITHER of us did any extreme breaking or conditioning This is good advise folks... take it! I had made similar comments earlier on in this thread, and I now use only the "soft breaking" method which I shared with some of you at the Jackson parking lot sessions. This method of breaking is as good as any, and it does not cause the many problems hard breaking and conditioning have. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 11:09:43 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Respect Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Anthony writes: > I once prepared a lesson on *Confucianism* for a high-level language > class. Of the ten > students, zero were aware of the reciprocal arrangement designed by > "Confucious" or the > fact that Elders owed something, anything, to those below them. Food > for thought? Great post Anthony. I have seen first hand how some Korean Grandmasters are totally ignorant of the fact that respect is a two way street, and it took me FAR too long before I did something about it. This does not mean I no longer have great relationships with Korean martial artists, on the contrary... I have much better ones since I now pick them as careful as I would pick folks from any other culture as leaders. The days of blindly following Korean Masters are gone forever for me. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 11:01:16 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] San- Antonio Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray I too thought the request for schools in San Antonio was for Hapkido only If they are looking for any schools we have a Soo Bahk Do Do-Jang at Lackland Air Force base. The Instructor is Master Turner. He also has a Do-Jang off base. I don't have an address but if they are interested I will contact Master Turner and get the information for him. JCGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 11:37:57 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Bert Edens Subject: [The_Dojang] Broken Leg Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net At 18:05 10/4/04, you wrote: >From: scott haller > >anyone who's been through something likethis in their tkd/martial arts >career. naturally, my biggest hurdlewill be convincing myself to get back >into the ring to spar. i'lldefinatel;y go back and do all the other >training. i know i'm wrongfor thinking like this and i try not to do it, >but i catch myselflooking down at students in my school who do everything >but spar. i'mnot chuck norris by any means, but i think you need to be a >little"battle tested" in case (god forbid) you need to use your skills >inreall life. my point here is that i don't want to quit sparring.let me >know your stories please and how > you dealt with the down timeand getting back to doing what you were > doing when the accidentoccured. if you have an "lessons learned" or tips > about the wholething, let me know!!!thanks...scott Greetings... I'm posting now as someone who received a concussion (mild, albeit) during a demo at Wal-Mart on Saturday... :) I haven't had any similar injuries, but all I can say is that it does happen... If you can't spar, then it will be difficult to train at a level to protect yourself... But also understand that mindset won't appear overnight... It takes some time... Use your time to strengthen your upper body as you rehab the leg... Do mental work... Watch videos of sparring and such, and analyze it... My guess is you will get the itch to get back out there soon, after the initial disgust has worn off... As for looking down on those who don't spar, just remember that everyone has different goals in their martial arts training... Keep training hard! <> - Bert Edens, 2nd Dan Recommended Springdale, Arkansas --__--__-- Message: 15 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Video Clip....hand speed To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:12:03 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Not to sound like a skeptic of your hand speed videos you post but I do have a > question for you and others who may be able to shed some light on this. > Don't get me wrong, the guy in your clips is very fast with this hands indeed, > but what is up with all of the foot stomping and smacking of the free hand > against his own chest while striking?? Just watched that clip. The fellow moves like a Kenpo guy, imo. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest