Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 03:01:49 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #429 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Update on October 23 Tournament in Crestview, FL (Thomas Gordon) 2. Craig Stovall (George Peters) 3. RE: training in the arkansas delta in the middle of summer... (Howard Spivey) 4. Old school training (chet reyes) 5. Contact (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 6. So bahk Do San Antionio (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 7. Old School (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 8. updating the subject line (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 23:29:58 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Update on October 23 Tournament in Crestview, FL Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I was notified of this Thursday, that because of Hurricane Ivan, our tournament will be moved to Crestview High School. This school is actually a bit easier to find than Davidson Middle School and only .2 miles away from the original location. It is still on October 23, 2004 and nothing else has changed. Please see the links to the rules, directions, etc. www.gordonmartialarts.com/tournament04 Best regards, Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 00:54:48 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Craig Stovall Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir, Thank you for keeping a great sense of humor. Respectfully, George _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Howard Spivey" To: Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:03:57 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: training in the arkansas delta in the middle of summer... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ...tried to post this a couple of days ago, guess i didn't put anything in the subject line (how inexcusable!) so i got rapped on the back of the knuckles with a ruler... anyway, i believe it might have been craig stovall who made the original post about training in the summer on a tile floor in arkansas... which prompted me to write this... to the original poster and craig... if you are not craig, i apologize for confusing you two. all the best, howard *************************************************************************** " It was a very small club, so the instructor couldn't afford to run the air conditioning in the summer. Ever been to the Arkansas delta in July? Nice." man, you bet it is. just a wee bit on the warm side. my mother is from a tiny town called tyronza, about 30 miles or so NNW of memphis... i was actually out that way about 2 months ago, met her there to visit her 1st cousin (my 2nd cousin) in a little town called wilson. had a great time. beautiful country, if a bit flat (lol), and some of the finest farm land in the entire US. are you anywhere near the area i'm speaking of? other "big cities" in the vicinity are marked tree and lepanto. i can remember riding out there from norfolk, va. with my parents back in the early 60s, before the interstates were finished, thru the blue ridge mountains, thru tennessee, and across the muddy mississippi... great memories. if we ever meet, i could spend hours telling you stories about my family from arkansas. let's just say that they are, well, colorful. off topic i know, but it's not every day i see a reference to summertime in the arkansas delta. thanks for the nostalgia. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 11:12:57 -0700 (PDT) From: chet reyes To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Old school training Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The responces I've read under this topic is really funny. The people that think and describe their training (practically beating up on a new student or lunges with cement blocks) in the "OLD SCHOOL" is watching way too many martial arts movies. Thanks for keeping me entertained. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 16:57:58 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Contact Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Terry I can relate to the contact described by Chris Holmes. When I joined the Moo Duk Kwan (US Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan) I had the opportunity to train with a man named Ted Smith from Tyler, Texas. Master Smith was brutal. He only had about 3 or 4 students but all of them were very hard core. Master Smith and My instructor were good friends and had trained together for many years under Master John Chu. Along with Master Phil Duncan of Henderson Texas. Master Duncan is now the administrator for the US Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan Federation Inc. When I had the opportunity and with the permission of my instructor I would go to Tyler and train with Master Smith. I can remember watching as a woman that had been in training prior to joining his school lined up to spar. She had been used to using pads and making contact while sparring. We were taught to never hit a senior while sparing. She made contact with Master Smith and he Knocked her out in class on the her first day. You guessed it she never came back. We used to train in a building with no AC. Master Smith's class (that I attended) was on Saturday from 10:00am until he said it was over, could be 2 hours could be all day. It would be 100 degrees in the summer at the studio. He had a 55 gallon drum just out side so you could throw-up (If you didn't take to long to do it). I came home many days beaten up, with a black eye or a busted lip once I needed stitches because I had bit through my lip. We worn NO padding. Master Smith stopped training about 1994. his most senior student who had been with him since 1984 is now one of my students and is a 3rd Dan. If I didn't keep giving him a steady diet of hard old school training he would likely leave. I agree most students would not stay if they are trusted into that kind of training, although it can be done. I have about 100 active students and my classes are about as hard as they come. I just tell the people up front what to expect. We still teach control, and have very few injuries. We still teach old school and have 100 students. It just takes more time to grow a school. Mr. Holmes mentioned bullies. I don't have any, because I teach control, not only physical control but self-control, and discipline. The students know I will not allow bad conduct out side the do-jang. I believe my students respect me enough to not represent the do-jang in a negative way. If they do , I will no longer teach them. My students do not sign up like at a health club they are excepted as students and can be rejected for poor conduct. The reason for all this discussion is I guess to get opinions on which method of training is the best. I have first dans that took about 8 years to get promoted training very old school. If they were to fight a dan that trains in a recreational karate school that has abandoned the old ways and has achieved a black belt in 3 years. Both have the same rank but it is obvious who the winner is. As for other aspects of a martial artist such as attitude, If you train old school, you as an instructor have to focus on the mental development of the student just as hard as their physical ability or they will get out of balance and become a physical machine with out the control required to harness it. For some the new method may fit there expectations and suit them fine. For me the old way fits mine. I don't look disrespectfully upon those that choose new methods, and commercialized schools. I only regret when some instructor or student begins to tell me how hard they train between trips to the water fountain JC --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 17:03:08 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] So bahk Do San Antionio Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The Soo Bahk Do School in San Antonio is about 12 minutes from the river walk. The off base Do-Jang is at a Health and Fitness center and the Instructor is Hirum Turner Sa Bom Nim His e-mail is Hturner364@yahoo.com I believe the on base Do-Jang is for Military personnel only but you could ask him. He is at a National Camp this week end but should be available nest week. JC --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 17:15:06 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Old School Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mrs./Ms Cory You feeling about your training is a direct reflection of a good sound student instructor relationship. Keep training hard and continue to be a good example. I am glad you were able to see through the instructor that wanted your money and chose an instructor that wanted to teach you. I don't have contracts at my school either. I want students that want to train, not students that are bond by a contract. "Your example is worth twice as much as your advice" JC --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] updating the subject line Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > ...tried to post this a couple of days ago, guess i didn't put anything in > the subject line (how inexcusable!) so i got rapped on the back of the > knuckles with a ruler... By actual count, the following request has now been mailed out to everyone 1,584 times: "When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..." " And several more times less formally. :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest