Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 03:01:55 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #436 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Abnormal Discourse in the Dojang Community (Peter "Nighthawk" Lampasona) 2. who as been cut (Boit Clinton Capt AF/DPMP) 3. Video (Frank Clay) 4. Master Mac (Frank Clay) 5. HKD in Portland (Sharon Tkach) 6. Central Texas Friendship Tournament (Jason Thomas (Y!)) 7. RE: Who has been cut (Michael Rowe) 8. Cut (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 9. Re: korean fonts (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 10. RE: hangul fonts for windows xp (Howard Spivey) 11. RE: who has been cut (martialscience64@earthlink.net) 12. Re: Surviving Edged Weapons (Beungood8@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Peter \"Nighthawk\" Lampasona" To: Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:39:53 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Abnormal Discourse in the Dojang Community Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Alright, since I've been lurking for another six months I'll quickly bring you up to speed on who I am again. A writer with martial arts interests who's trained briefly in many styles and has frequent interactions with martial arts communities for interest, training methods, and research for writing. There, you're up to speed. Now to why I'm breaking my usual radio silence with the dojang. Among other things, I am part of a collaborative tutoring program in composition for Penn State. One piece of literature that I was apparently long overdue to read was Kenneth Bruffee's series on discourse and thought process called "The Conversations of Mankind." It got me thinking about how people of all different levels of exposure and talent learn things. Not just composition, though this is the field it was written for, but just what separates the people who know something in their mind from those who know it in their gut. Then I started thinking about how students learn the martial arts. In my fever I outlined a generalized teaching method that can apply to any martial school that has an emphasis on either self-defense or sportsmanship. I'll admit now that it is probably not the direction those who heavily infuse the style's cultural background or competing in sporting event with rigid rules (i.e. Olympic rules TKD.) Now, I don't have students in a dojang setting, nor do I claim to have enough time to devote to my training to deserve them. The only people I work with directly in teaching the martial arts are with some self-defense seminars I advise. (MA in general is not very popular in the area I am currently in. They need what they can get as far as information sources.) So, what I would like to see is how this system, based loosely on Bruffee's ideas about how people learn, would work in a dojang setting. I was wondering if anyone out there on the list would like to read my outline (I would post it in this message but I would probably run longer than the moderator would fancy), provide any suggestions based on their teaching experience, which is probably much more extensive than my own, and, assuming you are one who is thinking of revising their curriculum, perhaps consider if they would like to try this with a group of their students. Just tell me if you would like it via individual e-mail or condensed and posted for the dojang. Thank you for your consideration, Peter Lampasona --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 08:07:11 -0400 From: "Boit Clinton Capt AF/DPMP" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] who as been cut Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mike, Beer mug in the back of the head -- wasn't knocked out, but by the time I was ready to defend myself, security folks jumped the guy. I attribute the "not-getting-knocked-out" to marital arts training (getting hit in the head a few times trains you to know what a hit feels like and how to roll with it), and a little bit o' luck! Received about 5 staples in the back of my head -- head injuries sure do bleed a lot. Clint Boit --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 08:01:59 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Video Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Michael, I was in law enforcement, and the video is great. It is not a fighting video, it is an awareness video. For the civilian, as well as LEO, the best thing you can come away with is that most people who survive a close encounter knife attack are not necessarily skilled, but they are lucky. Before you ask, yes I have disarmed a perp. I still have the scar to prove it. I have also been in altercations where firearms were present and used, as one might expect from someone in that venture. The thing we should remember is that an edged weapon can be virtually anything... from an ear ring to a credit card. If you name, it has been changed into an edged weapon, I'm sure. f. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 08:04:45 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Mac Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net That 21 feet/two shots thing... also required a sidestep because moment can carry the body forward and still stab you, after they are deceased or severely wounded. f --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Sharon Tkach" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 08:40:15 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] HKD in Portland Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net One of our students is heading towards a relocation to Portland, OR, and has asked about GM Suggs whose website address follows. Any info you can provide, positive or negative, would be appreciated. Also, if anyone has recommendations for other Hapkido instruction in that area, your input would be valuable. http://www.hurkchookwan.com/ Thanks, Sharon --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Jason Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:07:43 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Central Texas Friendship Tournament Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net North Austin Tae Kwon Do will be hosting a Friendship Tournament on Saturday November 13th, 2004 for select schools and our friends on the Dojang Digest. There will be 5 events Point Sparring, Continuous Sparring, Empty Hand Forms, Weapons Forms, and Self-Defense. All Styles, Ages and Ranks are welcome to attend. You can find info and rules at www.natkd.com/events. Please RSVP to jthomas@natkd.com if you think you can attend. The following additional info is provided for your convenience. Regards, Jason North Austin Tae Kwon Do will be hosting a Friendship Tournament on Saturday, November 13, 2004. [Click Here to See the Rules for Each Event] When Saturday, November 13, 2004 Registration starts at 10:30am Where Acrotex Gymnastics & Cheer, 2004 Sun Chase Blvd., Cedar Park, TX Events Point Sparring, Continuous Sparring, Forms, Weapons, & Self-Defense Cost $35.00 for 2 events, $5.00 for each additional event Registration 1. [Click here to print the Registration Form] and fax the completed form to (512) 233-5373. 2. Click on the of the of the following links to pay your registration fee via PayPal: 2 Events = $35.00, 3 Events = $40.00, 4 Events = $45.00, 5 Events = $50.00 or mail your check to North Austin Tae Kwon Do, 1805 Autumn Fire Dr., Cedar Park, TX 78613 What is a Friendship Tournament? A friendship tournament is an event where different martial arts schools come together in the spirit of brotherhood and fellowship to compete in a positive environment. The host school invites instructors and students that they know well to come together and compete against one another, share knowledge and have fun. The goal is to have a good time, allow students to test their skills in a safe environment. How does it Work? Competitors are placed into groups of 4 with other martial artists of the same size and rank. They compete in each event they signed up for in a four person bracket. Each competitor is awarded a medal based on their performance (1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th). This offers a good compromise to allow students to compete and test their skill while still having a positive experience. For more information contact North Austin Tae Kwon Do by e-mail at info@natkd.com, call (512) 350-4242 or visit us online at www.natkd.com . --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Michael Rowe" To: Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:07:51 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Who has been cut Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Michael Tomlinson asks "Not to hear war stories but I am curious as to how many people on here have actually been cut or stabbed in an altercation. I'm assuming I'm not close to being the only one on here.. I would like to hear of some of the experiences so maybe we can hear from people who have had to deal with this first hand....IMHO this is much better than watching a video..." I can tell you from first hand experience it is no picnic. Surviving an edged weapon is all about mindset. I will go out a limb here and state that if you don't know you been cut or stabbed then you are far more likely to win the encounter. When you see that you have been cut, your mind will often go into shock, you see the wound, the blood, notice the de-animation of the limb that has been cut. It is all that a person can do to continue to go on. Michael Rowe "All I ask is a chance to prove that money can't make me happy. " mp_rowe@cox.net --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:32:22 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Cut Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sir I was about 18 years old and working as a stocker at a local grocery store. I was helping stop a shop lifter. The shop lift bolted and ran. I gave chase. He was about 10 yards ahead of me. All of a sudden he spun around with a knife and took a swing at me. My momentum caused me to just run over him, knocking him to the ground and the knife away from us both. I was 18 and had been training for about 9 years, but I was not prepared for that. He managed to cut me on the upper part of my left arm (8 stitches). I was lucky because although I was successful in getting him under control it was not because of my martial arts training. The positive is it opened my eyes as to how quickly a weapon can be produced. I got to view the tape surviving edged weapons about 5 year after that around 13 years ago, and it has helped me realize the need for more realistic training. JC --__--__-- Message: 9 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:27:39 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: korean fonts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net If you run Windows XP, you can go to the Control Panel, then to Internationalization (or something similar), under the second Tab you will find a option called 'Support for East Asian Languages'. If you click that one, you will get a few Korean fonts as well. (if after that you also install support for a Korean keyboard, you can type Korean (Hangul) on your computer, without the need for extra programms) ________________________ thank you, klaus, that was very helpful...just did that. i did get an email from the kind person to whom i'd sent my fonts before. guess i'd burned them onto a cd for him, which i'd forgotten, and he's going to send it back for me to make a copy...thank goodness :) thanks again and take care, melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy _www.cjmaa.com_ (http://www.cjmaa.com/) 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply _www.cjmas.com_ (http://www.cjmas.com/) 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Howard Spivey" To: Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:01:25 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: hangul fonts for windows xp Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "If you run Windows XP, you can go to the Control Panel, then to Internationalization(or something similar), under the second Tab you will find a option called 'Support for East Asian Languages'. If you click that one, you will get a few Korean fonts as well.(if after that you also install support for a Korean keyboard, you can type Korean (Hangul)on your computer, without the need for extra programms)" kind regards, Klaas Barends **************************************************************************** klaas, thanks for the tip... i did this just a few minutes ago on my windows xp system. here are the steps i used... 1. open "control panel" 2. click on "date, time, language and regional options" 3. click on "add other languages". you will see another dialogue box called "regional and language options". 4. select "install files for east asian languages". you will get a message that tells you the files you are about to install will occupy something like 230mb of hard disk space. 5. click ok, and the files will install themselves. it only took about 30 seconds or so. there seem to be several fonts with hangul characters. i just used one called "dotum". this font has several subsets called "hangul x", where "x" refers to microsoft's romanization of a hangul charagcter (for example, ma, sa and da). each subset has a huge number of character combinations that begin with the selected character. i'll be using these fonts tonight to add the korean names for some of our technique sets to an existing document. a word of warning... this is very time consuming the way i'm doing it (from word, select "insert - symbol", then choose the font, then the single character combination that you want... i'd hate to have to write a letter this way!) thanks again, howard --__--__-- Message: 11 From: To: Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:07:15 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: who has been cut Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Michael Tomlinson, I gave a narrative of a knife fight a few months ago from my stupid youth. I am not a LEO but grew up on the streets and work now PT in Bail Enforcement. The first class there were 5 of us. Mostly young men. I'm 40 Surviving edged weapons was a video we watched. Knowing Dan Inosanto from books, movies ect I knew this was going to be fun. Everybody but I (with previous MA exp and carrying a concealed handgun for over 10 years) fell for the instructors scenario. All thought they could take him out with a pistol before he cut them. Nobody came close to saving their life. I waited til last and explained why he would probably kill me. My technique was the run away fast move. Not many know and think they can very well protect themselves with a pistol. Personally after a few gun fights and a knife fight which I survived (thank God) I would much rather take a chance on being shot then stabbed or slashed several times in a second and watch my life and insides bleed out. I was slightly cut 4" slash or so. He didn't fare very well. That was 20 years and 10 months ago. Greg Hindley --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Beungood8@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:09:24 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, wmschultz@meganet.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Surviving Edged Weapons Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 10/15/2004 7:36:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: <