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Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1800 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: RE: soft breaking (Duncan Shewan) 2. knife defense tech. (tntcombatives@comcast.net) 3. more knife def. (tntcombatives@comcast.net) 4. legal action (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 5. Dakin........warrior (George Peters) 6. handgun defense (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 7. Maria Violente.........warriors (George Peters) 8. Re: self defense- both genders (jeffrey kiral) 9. Al (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 10. Re: Warriors and Fighters (Bruce Sims) 11. Re: Seeing Colors (Bruce Sims) 12. Hapkido in Oregon (FirstPe315@aol.com) 13. Re: Al (Ray Terry) 14. Re: Translation... (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Duncan Shewan" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: soft breaking Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 02:43:43 +0100 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net " So if I think of "Hulk Green" I will be able to break 5 slabs of concrete with a punch but if I think of "Barney Purple" I won't be able to break even 1 board!? Or better yet if I think of Barney Purple my striking technique will slow to a halt because Barney doesn't think I should hit anything at all??" look all im doing here is trying to answer some questions and share some info about the more esoteric side of the arts I have come into contact with. Theres no need to take the p**s. I did warn you it was wierd, I did say it was out there myself. I have also found I cant make it work, but I will try things, if some strange mental trick can make me hit harder then great. I used to think shouting when I kicked was stupid but it helps, theres lots of strange things in the martial arts, Ki for a start. Maybe colour projection is just another way of focusing your mind whilst striking. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: tntcombatives@comcast.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 04:12:10 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] knife defense tech. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Many of the best knife defenses I have seen, regardless of style, have a couple great things in common. They have the defender loose and adaptable instead of rigid, involve a parry/redirection of the blade hand ...that leads to securing the blade wrist/arm. Soon as contact is made with the blade arm, a transition is made to unbalance and control/throw the body. Think of body drop-winding type head & arm throw, winding arm hug throw,triangle(tai-otoshi)...anything that traps the elbow-wrist section of the blade arm. The best ones are ugly and nasty and are really hard to practice w/o full gear. None of the prying of the blade out of their hands using your forearm/back of hand/neck, no trapping of only the wrist, no kicking of the knife hand etc.... The worst one I saw a few years ago: straight thrust--parry down, circle it up to your head cradle the knife wrist b/n your head and shoulder (like holding a phone) then reach across their face and take them down to their back......that one made me giggle. IMHO, knife work should not include extended flow drills like in lock flow, unless the quick transition is to something brutal and not just another pass/parry/flow technique. Remember, if someone is trying to stick a knife in you, THEY ARE TRYING TO KILL YOU, or cause you great pain......defend your life like you intend on keeping it....no screwing around. Speaking of no screwing around, tonight was scenario fight night at my dojang....I got pounded by everyone, but the most brutal was a small 1st grader who gave me some ferocious hammerfists after bringing me to my knees w/a groin knee strike and followed up with a thrust front kick to my face....I'm so happy I was geared up and protected my grill :-) -- Mark Gajdostik --__--__-- Message: 3 From: tntcombatives@comcast.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 04:19:32 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] more knife def. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Since I'm out of lurk mode...... Did anyone see that bit (on Discovery Ch??) of Stephen K. Hayes ninjitsu? There was a segment where they did a parking lot scenario where he did not know which person in the lot would attack, or with what..... A female as I recall, pulled a knife as she passed Hayes and the defense was kinda what I was talking about....quick parry, control the arm then body, do something brutal. Ahhh,,,,remember the popularity of ninjitsu in the early 80's? Come on admit it, you still have that ninja outfit tucked away somewhere! Now if I could just find 'Enter the Ninja' on DVD........ Mark. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:25:53 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] legal action Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mater Terry I simply mean that it seems another Martial Arts group is in need of legal action. I can not compare apples to apples, I don't even know the details behind what this man in Florida did. JCGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:40:30 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Dakin........warrior Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir, I believe you speak in the modern, western desciption of such, I do not. I try to be as traditional as I can and still exist in modern society(hard to do). Please read Maria Violente's post on this, her words regarding this are quite correct and put much more aptly and in a less inflammitory manner than I am able, as these things are close the core of my beliefs. I thought this thread was over two weels ago. Respectfully, George _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:49:21 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] handgun defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sir; A hand gun is an effect weapon but in close combat hand to hand techniques are better. The gun is only useful if you have time to pull it out of a purse, pocket, or even a holster. The recent discussion about the 21ft rule came from a video that shows a study done with police who are trained with their gun and in most cases they are more familiar with it than the average citizen. You speak of woman, or perhaps the elderly not being able to use hand to hand techniques against a large attacker. A gun would likely be taken away from them if it was not produced fast enough to use it. The reality is that a gun is an effective weapon if you have it out and aimed or at a distance, but against a surprise attack there are better alternatives. I have a CHL and I am familiar with my gun but if attacked by surprise I doubt I could produce it fast enough, and in the process of trying ---what happens if it is knocked out of your hand or turned toward you in the struggle. I believe many gum carriers have a false since of security and their lack of realism could get them killed. JCGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 01:00:23 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Maria Violente.........warriors Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Maam, You and I are most definitly of a like mind on this subject. It is so refreshing to hear something purely traditional. I do not know you, and may never meet you, but you seem to be someone who knows and unabashedly defends "The Way". I also read Shambala (long ago) and it has influenced my thinking in many ways. Thank you, Maam, for sharing your words with us on a subject that in my mind is highly charged and misunderstood. Respectfully, George Peters Tang Soo! _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "jeffrey kiral" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] self defense- both genders Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 01:15:39 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net just something for you to check on....... http://www.themartialist.com/index.htm --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:52:11 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Al Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray Is this "Coach Cole" Albert Cole of USTF TKD JCGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 05:06:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Sims To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Warriors and Fighters Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Jim: "......Warriors and soldiers in my mind then fall into two types--those that know how to live in peace and those who do not. For those who know how to live in peace, they have families and skills outside their profession. For those that do not, it is not a bad thing because the world is big and there are always injustices to fight, but if they are trapped in peace without outlet they are restless, aimless and potentially dangerous......." I find myself agreeing with most of what you have written. There may be room for some tweaking, so I am inviting you to consider a couple of points that could easily be overlooked. 1.) It may be a mistake to frame warriors and fighters as on an equal footing. Its not that warriors don't fight, but rather that they fight according to a code, an ethic that gives what they do a higher purpose for which combat is just one option of a range of options. In this way a warrior is just as comfortable participating in disaster relief, voter registration, a soup kitchen or volunteering at a day care center. The warrior sees what he does as performing a higher good for his society and himself. 2.)Proceeding from point one, a warrior is as adept at "winning the peace" as at "winning the war". There is a reason that warriors eschew abusing the communities in which they find themselves struggling and its not just a matter of keeping in the good graces of people. A warrior sees himself in the faces of the people around him. He sees his sister or mother in the faces of the people around him. He feels the integrity and pride of the individuals he sees around him. The struggle he is involved in is not just something he does, but something of which he is a part. He cannot abuse the situation because it means he is disrespecting himself. 3.) Training in a MA means to conduct oneself as though they were involved in the same situation that I have mentioned in point one and two. We train hard to produce the sorts of characters that make it easier to do the things I mention in point 1&2 where other people would not be able to sustain the effort. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 05:10:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Sims To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Seeing Colors Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear James: ".....Are you kidding me???? So if I think of "Hulk Green" I will be able to break 5 slabs of concrete with a punch but if I think of "Barney Purple" I won't be able to break even 1 board!?...." I am not sure this is what is being said. The power of imagery is one area that may not get the emphasis that it needs. While I would not go so far to make a causal relationship between the two, if forming an image of some sort in my mind helps me to produce a greater frequency of successful execution than not, how can this be bad? We do all sorts of things to raise our performance level, yes? FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:27:59 -0400 From: FirstPe315@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido in Oregon Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sharon - Not much in Portland. In a suburb of Portland (perhaps 20 minutes by Freeway) in Beaverton and Hillsboro (just about 5-10 minutes farther) there are 2 very good schools, mine and my instructors. Contact me at FirstPe315@aol.com and I'll be happy to give you the specifics and contact information of our schools. Jeff --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Al To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Is this "Coach Cole" Albert Cole of USTF TKD Not sure. His dojang is in northern Ohio. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:29:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Translation... To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks here is an excerpt...could you tell me about the different types of romanization? Jye A book of Tae Gyun was produced as a Korean martial arts literature after photographing one year at Bark Tur Publishing Studio in 1985. Photograph recording was done by Mr. Jung Yoon Kim who created Han Pul, and he also edited techniques with administration of long time martial art experience. Mr. Jung Yoon Kim, a Korean ancient martial art researcher, has found a lost history of Tae Gyun and constructed the basis of erased Korean ancient history. The names of 'Ah Rae Dae Pyun' and 'We Dae Pyun' which divide a book were in accordance with the names 'Ah Rae Dae Tae Gyun' and 'We Dae Tae Gyun' called by ancient Tae Gyun people, but the book had only to be divided into two sections just because of too many page numbers in the editing process. Two sections are connected and it is really one book. Bert Edens wrote: Greetings, sir... Have I mentioned before how I absolutely despise romanization? :) Can you provide a site or anything with the original text? There are several romanization methods and it depends on which one they used... The actual Korean in Hangul would be even better... :) Some shots at it: - "Ah Rae" probably means "lower or bottom" - "We" probably means "upper" (bad romanization) - "Dae" is usually used for Great, Big, etc. But it could also mean an age or era, a table/stand, a group or people, or several other things... - And "Tae Gyun" could be bad romanization of "Tae-Kkyeon" or "Tae-kkyun". Could be... :) Just some guesses, not knowing the original Hangul... Chinese would be even more specific, if applicable... Thanks! <> - Bert Edens, 2nd Dan Springdale, Arkansas _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1800 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. 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