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Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1800 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Correct spelling? (Jye nigma) 2. Re: legal action (Ray Terry) 3. Enter The Ninja... (Bert Edens) 4. Mr. Albert Cole / USTF? (Bert Edens) 5. legal action (J R Hilland) 6. Re: Mr. Albert Cole / USTF? (Ray Terry) 7. Re: Re: Seeing Colors (Ray Terry) 8. Re: knife defense tech. (Ray Terry) 9. Soft breaking (Ed Howe) 10. Re: knife defense tech. (tkdtom) 11. From another group...Korean language (Jye nigma) 12. Knife Defense (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 13. oops!!! video clip again... (Jye nigma) 14. handgun defense (Robert Hartley) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:41:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Correct spelling? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Which is the correct spelling? Taek Kyon or tae kyon? Jye --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] legal action To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:42:10 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Mater Terry Mater Ray is fine... :) > I simply mean that it seems another Martial Arts group is in need of legal > action. I can not compare apples to apples, I don't even know the details > behind what this man in Florida did. Still not similar in any way to the MDK vs. USMDK / SBDMDK issue. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:51:40 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Bert Edens Subject: [The_Dojang] Enter The Ninja... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net At 10:39 10/22/04, you wrote: >Ahhh,,,,remember the popularity of ninjitsu in the early 80's? Come on >admit it, you still have that ninja outfit tucked away somewhere! Now if >I could just find 'Enter the Ninja' on DVD........ > >Mark. Greetings, sir... Perhaps there is a ninja suit tucked away somewhere, but I doubt it would fit me anymore... :-) It must have shrunk from lack of use... For what it's worth, "Enter The Ninja" is available lots of places on DVD... Such as: http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=info&id=1800061941 <> - Bert Edens, 2nd Dan Springdale, Arkansas --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:55:34 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Bert Edens Subject: [The_Dojang] Mr. Albert Cole / USTF? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net At 10:39 10/22/04, you wrote: > > Is this "Coach Cole" Albert Cole of USTF TKD > >Not sure. His dojang is in northern Ohio. > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com Greetings... Mr. Albert Cole from USTF (we used to belong to that organization... I trained to 1st dan in the USTF and Mr. Cole was on my 1st dan testing panel) is in Bossier City, Louisiana, unless he has recently moved... <> - Bert Edens, 2nd Dan Springdale, Arkansas --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:03:30 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] legal action Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> There is seldom a NEED of legal action in the martial arts. They go together like oil and water. There is however a whole lot of "I want" or "we want". It is a shame that these organizations that think that litigation is more important than working TOGETHER. But then again it is usually a control issue. BTW. Master Al Cole, used to be the USTU Ohio State (Ohio Taekwondo Association) President. A respected taekwondo player in Ohio area. Jere R. Hilland, USKMAF www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Mr. Albert Cole / USTF? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > > Is this "Coach Cole" Albert Cole of USTF TKD > > > >Not sure. His dojang is in northern Ohio. > > > >Ray Terry > >rterry@idiom.com > > Greetings... > Mr. Albert Cole from USTF (we used to belong to that > organization... I trained to 1st dan in the USTF and Mr. Cole was on my 1st > dan testing panel) is in Bossier City, Louisiana, unless he has recently > moved... Sounds like a different Al(bert) Cole... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Seeing Colors To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > ".....Are you kidding me???? So if I think of "Hulk > Green" I will be able to break 5 slabs of concrete > with a punch but if I think of "Barney Purple" I > won't be able to break even 1 board!?...." I have seen a study or two which would seem to indicate that this is partially true. Now I cannot comment on how well done these studies were performed, I just don't recall. But I do recall that it went something like make a person look at a blue wall (actually I forget the colors used) while lifting a weight. Wait. :) Then have them look at a pink wall while lifting a weight. Result...they are unable to lift nearly as much when looking at color 1 as when looking at color 2. FWIW Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] knife defense tech. To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:49:53 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > IMHO, knife work should not include extended flow drills like in lock flow, > unless the quick transition is to something brutal and not just another > pass/parry/flow technique. Actually I like, no, I love flow drills. Litte imho works as well on hand-eye coordination as do flow drills. And along with flow drills go breaking-the-flow drills. One should not think that being attacked with a knife will be a nice flowing event like a backyard workout. But to this, perhaps foolish, person it seems to help get people's hands working on their own w/o the need to 'think' in the typical see/think/respond reaction sequence. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:58:22 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Ed Howe" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Soft breaking Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net hello everyone, I'm a long time observer and now i reply for the first time on the issue of soft breaking. I am a student of GrandMaster Rudy Timmerman. This man has taught me some if not a few principles of soft breaking, and what i have noticed here is that the term SOFT breaking entail the use of NO POWER none, nada, zip zilch and zero. If done correctly you can break bricks without spacers or boards, as well as rib or other bones. The only way i can explain this is to see SaJa Nim Timmerman at one of his seminars and get it straight from the horses mouth. Although i would like to explain, it is not my place and i would not deny anyone the knowledge this man has. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: tkdtom To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] knife defense tech. Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:36:24 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Can you describe what a flow drill is. Thanks. Tom Kennelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Terry" To: Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] knife defense tech. > > IMHO, knife work should not include extended flow drills like in lock flow, > > unless the quick transition is to something brutal and not just another > > pass/parry/flow technique. > > Actually I like, no, I love flow drills. Litte imho works as well on > hand-eye coordination as do flow drills. And along with flow drills go > breaking-the-flow drills. > > One should not think that being attacked with a knife will be a nice flowing > event like a backyard workout. But to this, perhaps foolish, person it seems > to help get people's hands working on their own w/o the need to 'think' in the > typical see/think/respond reaction sequence. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1800 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:41:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] From another group...Korean language Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I found this on another forum where they were discussing Korean langauge, any thoughts? Jye "Sulsa is a Sino-Korean word, meaning it was written in pictographic symbols, and its meaning is therefore eminently clear whenever you look at it. In fact, your example is totally irrelevant. Gay acquired a new meaning through its initial use as sort of code word, and if you ask almost any native English speaker they will be able to identify all of its meanings. Sulsa didn't mean "Knight of the Night" a thousand years ago, and it doesn't today. And no, it DOES NOT depend on which romanization you use. This demonstrates loudly and clearly that you can't read Hangeul, and obviously should not be arguing Korean linguistic points with someone who does." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:00:13 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Knife Defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net For some realistic knife training. Try this. I made a wooden practice knife. The blade is 8" long and has a 1/16 gap cut along the blade edge. I fill it with red chalk and we practice not with predetermined lunges, thrust, and swings. We just attack and realistically try to cause a chalk mark to appear on the uniform of our partner simulating a cut. You will be surprised at how inefficient you really are. We practice one cut we are bleeding, two cuts we are in trouble and the third cut we are likely to bleed out unless one of the cuts is to an area that would be fatal with one cut. My students and myself have learned a great deal about realistic knife attack from this drill. Try It! JC --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:10:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] oops!!! video clip again... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.taekgyun.com/html/movframe.htm --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:20:37 -0400 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Robert Hartley Subject: [The_Dojang] handgun defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi. I wasn't saying that a handgun is the only option. However, I am saying that it is an option that is often left out. As a side note, often times firearms are demonized- how many articles do you read about how a gun "went off by itself..." Anyway- not all police are as familiar as you may think. Most have an annual qualification at the range, which does not include any sort of stress or situational awareness training- just pointing downrange and trying to hit a stationary target from a stationary position. Mr. Terry mentioned that there is a list on the website of firearms training facilities. I haven't looked yet, but there is one "near" me in NH, called the Lethal Force Institute. It is run by a man who has been a police officer, among other things. He has also authored a number of books, a couple of which I own. While I have yet to attend his school, I hope to in the future- my understanding is that you get some training on hitting a target in a no/low stress situation, but you also do some more dynamic training. I think this is some of the most realistic type of training a person can receive (I have also read of others in the western part of the country, which do similar training.) And, if a woman or elderly person has training in the use of the firearm, I would disagree that it is likely to be taken from them. However, there are so many variables in a situation like that, I doubt that either one of us could come to any conclusion that would convince the other. So, I won't be arguing that point. So, that's my contribution for tonight. Best wishes, all. Bob >Message: 6 >From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" >To: >Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:49:21 -0500 >Subject: [The_Dojang] handgun defense >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Sir; > >A hand gun is an effect weapon but in close combat hand to hand techniques are >better. The gun is only useful if you have time to pull it out of a purse, >pocket, or even a holster. The recent discussion about the 21ft rule came >from a video that shows a study done with police who are trained with their >gun and in most cases they are more familiar with it than the average citizen. >You speak of woman, or perhaps the elderly not being able to use hand to hand >techniques against a large attacker. A gun would likely be taken away from >them if it was not produced fast enough to use it. The reality is that a gun >is an effective weapon if you have it out and aimed or at a distance, but >against a surprise attack there are better alternatives. I have a CHL and I >am familiar with my gun but if attacked by surprise I doubt I could produce it >fast enough, and in the process of trying ---what happens if it is knocked out >of your hand or turned toward you in the struggle. I believe many gum carriers >have a false since of security and their lack of realism could get them >killed. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest