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Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1800 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Hapkido, TKD and Holland (Rick Clark) 2. RE: handgun defense (Jon Payne) 3. Ryu Pa (Frank Clay) 4. Haidong Kwon-bub (A. Boyd) 5. Statistics (Sharon Tkach) 6. Follow-up report on Realistic Sparring Weapons (A. Boyd) 7. Breaking (Rudy Timmerman) 8. Breaking in Europa (Rudy Timmerman) 9. Re: HKD dojang in Amsterdam (Klaas Barends) 10. Great Grandmaster (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 11. Kuk Ki Ryu (Bert Edens) 12. Re: Kuk Ki Ryu (Ray Terry) 13. Re: Kuk Ki Ryu (Ken) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Rick Clark" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Hapkido, TKD and Holland Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:51:48 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Neil, Check my web there are a couple of contacts that may be of help. Check the Holland and Belgium guys listed on my web, they may be able to offer some suggestions as to contact. Rick Clark If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking. --General George S. Patton www.ao-denkou-kai.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Neil Burton [mailto:neil_burton37@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:01 PM > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido, TKD and Holland > > Hi All > > I have been offered a promotion at work starting Nov > 15th this year that necessitates a move from Singapore > to Amsterdam. This means I need to find a Dojang to > train in. Does anyone have any contacts in Holland? > > I am currently 3rd Gup ITF TKD and have no HKD > experience, however, I would like to train in both so > would be interested in a Dojang that offered this. > > BTW - two other things. Firstly, the defence against > knives. Not sure if you all remember but I stopped > tarining about 3 months ago with my old instructor as > I had some issues with him. I can know add the > following issues - he taught a front snap kick against > knives and a crescent kick against fire arms! Secondly > - I wonder if Master Timmerman knows of anyone in > Europe who can demo the soft breaking technique - I am > interested, but am not based state side, so would not > have much chance to catch a demo. > > Thanks > > Neil > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1800 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Jon Payne" To: "The_Dojang" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] handgun defense Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:25:02 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Clark, I was a Sky Cop too. It's funny how racking a M870 12 GA or M16 can get someone's undivided attention. Jon Payne --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:32:10 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Ryu Pa Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray, Ryu is indeed a Japanese word, but I am inclined to believe that its usage in Korean may not be that unusual. Master Hwang Kee referred to his ryu pa in volume one, Tang Soo Do, and left that term in the revised Tang Soo Do/Soo Bahk Do text. Not sure if it helps, but maybe. f. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:39:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "A. Boyd" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Haidong Kwon-bub Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net What would you like to know about Haidong Kwonbub? Have you asked your master about it? If so, was there something unsatisfactory about his answer? Regardless, I wouldn't expect to get much exposure to our unarmed curriculum until you have reached the third dan level and progression requirements slow down enough to allow room for it, and perhaps not even then. Personally, I think more importance should probably be given to unarmed attacks in conjunction with the sword before shifting focus to completely unarmed technique. Even here in Korea it does not seem to be given much importance in the average dojang. It's quite complicated and not something that can be practiced a lot due to the depth of sword instruction we have. I try to spend one training day in seven on it, but I'm fairly sure I am an exception. I was given brief instruction in it at various points of my training, [white belt, blue belt, red belt, just after an injury and my first dan, off and on during another injury period while I was a second dan.] I have learned more than the basics, but would by no means consider myself proficient in those basics. Personally, I think the system is excellent, and oddly beautiful, however I find it really hard to channel enough training time and energy into making it effective on any more than a piece-meal basis in my own arsenal. Maybe when I become a man of leisure... ===== Anthony Boyd: Swordsman and English Teacher www.stormpages.com/haidonggumdo ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Sharon Tkach" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:39:45 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Statistics Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Scott wrote, among other things: > 90% of violence against men is random, from strangers, and happens >outside the home. 80% of violence against women is premeditated, from >someone they know and most often > occurs in the home or at work. and >Violence against women is different then violence against men. The majority >of the time they will > be attacked at home by someone they think is their >friend, partner, spouse. 90% of the time > they will be prone before >they have a chance to react to the assault. Scott, Where did these statistics come from? Thanks, ~Sharon --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 01:27:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "A. Boyd" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Follow-up report on Realistic Sparring Weapons Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net For those who never spar with weapons, and never want to, the rest of this post should be quite dull: I wrote a few months ago about testing a new type of sparring weapon from a fledgling company called RSW [Realistic Sparring Weapons]. I promised to write a more balanced review once I got my own set of them and had used them a few times. Well, this is it: To recap, the weapons are billed as having authentic weights and balances modelled from antiques or reputable historical reproductions. They are billed as having a distinguishable shape for those, like me, who care about such things as blade alignment. They are also billed as being safe. I feel that the weapons are indeed correctly weighted and balanced and perform almost like the real thing. Where they differ is from drag. The width of the blade markedly decreases speed through the air. As this has contributed to my near death in sparring I can only hope it is making me stronger. The blade shape is clear. As it is an evolution of the padded sword, it can look a bit toy-like to some, but once used, no one seems to care. The authentic sensations transmitted to the hands, and the full range of techniques win people over in a few swings. Some care needs to be taken to ensure the blades are maintained, but that's life, right? Safety is pretty much as advertised and I think the company is being wise in posting cautions regardless of the safety of the weapon. Accidents happen. Fingers and finger joints appear to be the things most easily hurt by contact with RSW equipment. A good set of padded gloves or flawless technique is required to escape very sore knuckles and swollen fingers. Thrusts at medium to long range are no trouble, but thrusts at close range or strong thrusts at running opponents can be stronger than you intend. Some of the European styled weapons are stiffer and can deal significant pain and bruising. Also, the handles are metal and contact with that end of the weapon [as happened to me on Sunday] is not pleasant and could easily lead to injury. For all intents and purposes, in a friendly group these tools are safe. That said, I would not use these without a good helmet with full visor, padded or shielded gloves, a cup for the unlucky in love and war, and if thrusting is a big part of your technical arsenal, a gorget is probably a good idea. I have taken a thrust and a slash to the throat with no ill effects, but can see how repeated targetting of that area could be problematic. So far, I have gotten small, painless bruises, sore knuckles, some temporary muscle stiffness from exceptionally solid hits, and nothing else. I have gotten hit a lot, and delivered some doozies too. The sensation of getting hit (anywhere but the knuckles, and *ahem* one's manly parts) is like getting struck by a very dense pillow. It's significant and noteworthy, but not something that leads to the flinch reaction or other hesitations when you have to face it again. A picture is worth a thousand of my rambling posts so, how about a video clip? If you are interested in a short clip of highlights check the sparring section of my website. The link is at the bottom of the page, under the big picture of armour, and is listed as Non-Competitive Sparring. The url is http://www.stormpages.com/haidonggumdo/hdgdarmour.html ===== Anthony Boyd: Swordsman and English Teacher www.stormpages.com/haidonggumdo ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 02:21:10 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Breaking Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ken writes: > Just wanted to add this, we all need to remember that the martial arts > and tae > kwon do is a means of personal growth not a measure of how good you > can break > or spar. I see breaking, forms, and sparring etc. as nothing more than just another "tool" of the art I practice. Those who break to show off their skill are simply still on their way to get comfortable about themselves. IMHO, needing to pump yourself up with a bit of breaking does not make one a bad practitioner, just one who still has a way to go in attaining peace within himself. As a teacher, I encourage my students to try breaking with spacers first, just as I like them to begin with simple techniques first. I allow time for them to grow into bigger and better things, and I don't get bent out of shape if they require a bit of encouragement and use a prop to help them get started. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 02:35:42 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Breaking in Europa Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Neil writes: > I wonder if Master Timmerman knows of anyone in > Europe who can demo the soft breaking technique - I am > interested, but am not based state side, so would not > have much chance to catch a demo. Hello Neil: I did work a bit with a young man in Holland, but it was only for a few weeks while he was polishing up for a Dahn test at my school. I believe Klaas (a fellow DD member) may have more info on what is happening in Holland. I AM of Dutch origin (born in Holland in 1940 and left there in '58); however, I only visit to do seminars these days. BTW, soft breaking motion is not just about breaking... it is about attaining a relaxed and fluid use of energy that can be useful for ANY technique. Like I said, it is just a tool. Hope you'll like your new job, and best wishes for the trip. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Klaas Barends Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:28:21 +0900 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: HKD dojang in Amsterdam Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I have been offered a promotion at work starting Nov > 15th this year that necessitates a move from Singapore > to Amsterdam. This means I need to find a Dojang to > train in. Does anyone have any contacts in Holland? The only HKD dojang in Amsterdam (for as far as I know) is our dojang. http://www.hapkido.nl/index.php?mode=info&Page=178 (page is in Dutch) -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ http://www.sangmookwan.com/ --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:30:48 -0500 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Great Grandmaster Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <>> Is this higher than "Eternal Grandmaster"? Just wondering. Danny --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:00:10 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Bert Edens Subject: [The_Dojang] Kuk Ki Ryu Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net At 21:37 10/25/04, you wrote: >From: "Ken" >To: >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] another opinion! >Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:24:27 -0400 > >go to www.ijkim.org and read great grandmaster Kim's translation kuk ki >means in Korean conquor your-self and that's what I was taught just read >his profile and the student hand book, Ken----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ray Terry" >To: >Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 3:55 PM > > > > .. I study kuk ki ryu which means in translation conquor yourself style. > > > > Ryu is a Japanese term meaning family or group of schools. Kuk-ki > > typically means something like (Korean) national flag. > > > > How do you get conquer yourself out of that? Do you have the hangul > > available on a webpage? Just curious... > > > > Ray Terry > > rterry@idiom.com Greetings... Not one to argue with a Korean GM... :) I did some checking, and I think that the kuk ki comes from keukbok and keukbokhada which mean "a conquest" and "to conquer", respectively... With the "ki" addendum (short for chagi, meaning self, ego, etc.), it very likely could mean to conquer oneself... And it could be romanized as "kuk ki" or "keuk ki"... For "geuk ki" or "geug gi", or........ :) Like Master Terry, at first glance, I too was thinking of "kuk ki" as part of "taegukki" (or however someone wants it romanized), referring to the Korean flag (or how they refer to it, rather)... Another reason to see the Hangul... :) BTW, I couldn't get to the website referenced above... :-/ <> - Bert Edens, 2nd Dan Springdale, Arkansas --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Kuk Ki Ryu To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >go to www.ijkim.org and read great grandmaster Kim's translation kuk ki... .... .... > BTW, I couldn't get to the website referenced above... :-/ Same here. That name is not registered. ijkim.com is registered, but the website does not seem to exist yet. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Ken" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Kuk Ki Ryu Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:29:10 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net try www.ijkimtkd.org see if that comes up thanks for the translation help I can only say what I was taught, Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bert Edens" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:00 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] Kuk Ki Ryu > At 21:37 10/25/04, you wrote: > >From: "Ken" > >To: > >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] another opinion! > >Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:24:27 -0400 > > > >go to www.ijkim.org and read great grandmaster Kim's translation kuk ki > >means in Korean conquor your-self and that's what I was taught just read > >his profile and the student hand book, Ken----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Ray Terry" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 3:55 PM > > > > > > .. I study kuk ki ryu which means in translation conquor yourself style. > > > > > > Ryu is a Japanese term meaning family or group of schools. Kuk-ki > > > typically means something like (Korean) national flag. > > > > > > How do you get conquer yourself out of that? Do you have the hangul > > > available on a webpage? Just curious... > > > > > > Ray Terry > > > rterry@idiom.com > > Greetings... > Not one to argue with a Korean GM... :) I did some checking, and I > think that the kuk ki comes from keukbok and keukbokhada which mean "a > conquest" and "to conquer", respectively... With the "ki" addendum (short > for chagi, meaning self, ego, etc.), it very likely could mean to conquer > oneself... And it could be romanized as "kuk ki" or "keuk ki"... For "geuk > ki" or "geug gi", or........ :) > Like Master Terry, at first glance, I too was thinking of "kuk ki" > as part of "taegukki" (or however someone wants it romanized), referring to > the Korean flag (or how they refer to it, rather)... Another reason to see > the Hangul... :) > BTW, I couldn't get to the website referenced above... :-/ > > <> > > - Bert Edens, 2nd Dan > Springdale, Arkansas > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1800 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest