Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:01:04 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #457 - 16 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1800 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: handgun defense (jeffrey kiral) 2. canadian gun stuff (tntcombatives@comcast.net) 3. one-step modifications (tntcombatives@comcast.net) 4. Gladewater SBD ... one step (George Peters) 5. Re: defense against an armed assailant (Robert Demers) 6. Anthony, English teacher and Swordsman (Wilson, Byron) 7. Michael Moore's stuff (michael tomlinson) 8. statistics (Don Kirsch) 9. One steps (Boit Clinton Capt AF/DPMP) 10. Re: Linguistics (Bruce Sims) 11. Re: Ryu Pa (Bruce Sims) 12. Thanks Neil (Frank Clay) 13. Re: One steps (Ray Terry) 14. AKS Intensive Korean Language Course (Ray Terry) 15. Re: Thanks Neil (Ken) 16. ancient Korean arts (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "jeffrey kiral" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] handgun defense Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:37:04 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net 2 things......never said it was the truth, all movies are filled with half truths and lies....but it is a thought provoking film in my opinion. also, i was only asking the question of why...what is the reason behind the violent nature of american society? very intriguing thing, i think. personally, i dont like guns.....have i owned them? yes. am i a proficient shot? yes. but over the years, i have personally concluded that my life is better without them. just my opinion......... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Terry" To: "The_Dojang" Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] handgun defense > Gun violence. I just 'love' that term. Why is it we never hear of ballbat > violence or knife violence or car violence or ??? Guns are not now and have > never been the reason for violence in the US. We just tend to be a violent > society, much more so than the UK or Canada or several other places. > > e.g. the UK has been tracking violent crime rates since the 1860s. Their > violent crime rates have changed little thru the years even tho gun control > has gotten stronger and stronger there over those same years. I could go on > and on and on about Japan or Canada or France or Aus or ?? but this is a > KMA forum. > > > movie plug: bowling for columbine.... > > Michael Moore's "documentary"?!? No thanks. As per much (all?) of his work, > toooo filled with lies and half-truths. If you want the facts you'll have > to do a bit of digging through the volumes of research on the matter. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1800 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 From: tntcombatives@comcast.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 04:18:28 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] canadian gun stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Norm, Please consider that the vast majority of law-abiding gun owners would never think of using their guns to do crime. Believe that the criminals who want guns to do crime will find one, or steal one from a law-abiding person, to use against you or against another criminal. A while back, I asked my police students from the great white north about the gun/crime issue. Only one came up with a story of a legal gun owner using the gun for crime. They all came up with stories of criminals with stolen guns using those guns for crime. From what they said, the only infrequent (but still occurring) incidents involved handguns. A majority of Canadian gun crimes are with long guns. So by all means, put not only handgun defense (defence) in your program, but also include long gun. The potential, even though it is reduced, is still present for a you vs.gun incident. -- Mark Gajdostik TNT-Police Combatives 503-887-9351 --__--__-- Message: 3 From: tntcombatives@comcast.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 04:42:19 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] one-step modifications Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a couple of the arts I train in, there are numerous one-steps that include the straight punch. As I have developed my own program over the years, all of the TKD/Karate style attacks have been eliminated in the low to intermediate levels of gup ranks. With the stellar training that fellow DDers provide to their students (and many other 'other list' types out there ;-) we don't have to worry too much about someone throwing a highly polished knife hand strike or jumping spinning back kick as a street level attack. I have seen martial arts students get their clocks cleaned by the most basic boxing style moves, and although the MAist should have done a lot better, they were surprised by attack techniques that they had never trained against. I have lots of sucker punch, overhand, jab/cross, and soccer style kick defenses, and even have a 'hick-kick' defense (think very drunk redneck hick wearin' cowboy boots, tryin to make that pointy toe well aquainted with your crown jewels)....although I recently re-named that one to be the street style front kick.....I have a few rednecks in my classes....lol. One of the main reasons people start MA is to learn how to defend themselves. Lets face it, most of the attackers out there do not have a lot of formal training. They are the ones people want to protect themselves from, so I have the first few one-steps to train for that style of attack. This way, the new student learns some skills they can immediately apply. We can add the refined stuff later. I also include a heavy dose of threat recognition and reflex defense in the 9th gup program. I've found that it is much easier for the new students to train with some easier attack techniques that most already know, than to try the more refined TKD kicks/strikes. -- Mark Gajdostik TNT-Police Combatives 503-887-9351 --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 01:10:55 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Gladewater SBD ... one step Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir, Do you also do Pyung Ahn one step? Respectfully, George _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Robert Demers" To: Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:15:31 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: defense against an armed assailant Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "And yes there was a Japanese art of Just associated with the use of firearms, Jujutsu (techniques of gunnery). OK - it's not a Korean art you say? But do like so many other Korean 'masters' have done and take the art from the Japanese change it a bit and rename it claiming it to be an ancient Korean arts that has just been discovered or has remained a closely guarded secret until someone has just been persuaded to teach for the first time in public. (flame retardant on) " Rick Clark Can you provide any names of 'masters' that have done what you claim and also what type of evidence do you have that proves this? In other words is this real or just another opinion? --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:55:06 -0400 From: "Wilson, Byron" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Anthony, English teacher and Swordsman Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Anthony: I have been watching the digest with interest concerning the Hai Dong Gum Do discussion. My Sabumnim is Laura Clements, 27, the Ohio Director for World Haidong Gum Do in America. She recently returned from Korea with a gold medal in her division (not sure what that is). She is very diminutive and shy but wields a mean sword and has taught this old guy quite a bit about martial arts. I believe that she studies under Grandmaster Park (?) but I am not sure. I have enough trouble learning TKD. Byron Wilson TKD Student --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:58:01 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Michael Moore's stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey Ray don't crack on my boy Michael Moore's movies.. you know his stuff is pure fact... as a matter of fact I went last week to watch his movie... I took Elvis, Tupac, the easter bunny and santa claus with me... we had a great time!! Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Don Kirsch" To: Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:05:07 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] statistics Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just a word on statistics in general. I recall two important quotes from one of my professors...." statistics are like a bikini on a beautiful woman, it's not what they reveal that's important but what they conceal" and "statistics are like a light pole to a drunk, they are used more for support than illumination". Regards, Don kirsch --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:10:47 -0400 From: "Boit Clinton Capt AF/DPMP" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] One steps Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Um...of course our school still practices traditional one steps. How many TKD schools out there give Kukkiwon certification (75%+)? Well, one steps are a requirement to get Kukkiwon certification. No matter what the training is there is value added by practicing something whether the benefit is conditioning, balance, power generation, or self defense. If someone is so closed minded and don't see the value in practicing something unless it is actual "realistic combat" (which we all have views on what that is), then that person should look at it again and see what in it is beneficial... --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 05:37:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Sims To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Linguistics Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ".....I find it very hard to believe that you know more about Korean than the founder of the Moo Duk Kwan. Are you a Korean linguist? You might want to tread very cautiously here......" Nope. Not in yer life. For quite a few years now I have watched MA practitioners play fast and loose with language to defend this position or that. Hell, I remember someone was taken to task by Scott Shaw about a language problem when the matter was addressed by that persons' wife who is a native speaker! And wasn't it that jerk from Florida the one to say that "kwan" meant "style"? And what about those folks who talk about the term "samurai" stemming from "samurang"? And don't even get me started about the scads of fools who misuse Koreans terms and Japanese terms, and titles, and phrases in their classes and their advertising. Pickup the phone book sometime and see how many "sifu" and "Soke" and "kwanjang" and "kyoshi" there are. How many really know the implications of those titles? You want to invoke the name of some wellknown individual? Fine. Well known individuals make mistakes, too. But please don't give me this crap about being a linguist. That sounds like the sort of line FF would use. Bruce --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 05:47:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Sims To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Ryu Pa Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Neil: ".....Hope that helps clear that up, and that the mail isn't too long. Just thought some explanation of the root of the word, and the method of entry into both languages would be helpful in this discussion...." Many thanks for the insights. My thought and hope was that folks who use the languages would be more discriminating in that use and (even more so) a bit more careful about the conclusions they draw when transliterating into yet a third language. Thanks again. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:17:00 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Thanks Neil Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Neil, That kind of post is precisely why I subscribe to this newsletter. I really appreciate your sharing of your knowledge. Frank --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] One steps To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Um...of course our school still practices traditional one steps. How many TKD > schools out there give Kukkiwon certification (75%+)? Well, one steps are a > requirement to get Kukkiwon certification. Are you sure? I don't think I've seen that requirement documented anywhere, but I may have overlooked it. Can you provide a reference from the Kukkiwon? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 14 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:46:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] AKS Intensive Korean Language Course Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... Notice for the winter session of the AKS Intensive Korean Language Course for Foreigners is out. January 17 - February 11, 2005 (4 weeks) Please follow the link, http://www.aks.ac.kr/english/board/news_read.asp?num=22 Sincerely, Kim Hun-tae --__--__-- Message: 15 From: "Ken" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Thanks Neil Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:56:46 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yes, thanks Neil I learned something by it. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Clay" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 11:17 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] Thanks Neil > Neil, > > That kind of post is precisely why I subscribe to this newsletter. I really > appreciate your sharing of your knowledge. > > Frank > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1800 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 16 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:50:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] ancient Korean arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > "And yes there was a Japanese art of Just associated with the use of > firearms, Jujutsu (techniques of gunnery). OK - it's not a Korean art > you say? But do like so many other Korean 'masters' have done and take > the art from the Japanese change it a bit and rename it claiming it to > be an ancient Korean arts that has just been discovered or has remained > a closely guarded secret until someone has just been persuaded to teach > for the first time in public. (flame retardant on) " > > Can you provide any names of 'masters' that have done what you claim and also > what type of evidence do you have that proves this? In other words is this > real or just another opinion? Gen. Choi and the ancient art of Taekwondo. Dr. JB Lee and the ancient art of Hwarangdo. The list goes on... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest