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(ChunjiDo@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD Calendar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The_Dojang's calendar of Sport Taekwondo Events Oct 28, 2004 http://MartialArtsResource.com http://the-dojang.net Dates and locations subject to change. 2004 3rd Andorra Cup Oct 30-31 Andorra Southeast Asian Games Oct Hochiminh City, Vietnam US Nationals Nov 4-7 Colorado Springs, Colorado Fall Classic Nov 6 Dayton, Ohio World Military TKD Chip Nov 6-9 Warendorf, Germany Sardinia Open Nov 12-14 Cagliari, Italy AAU Georgia Fall Tourny Nov 13 Norcross, Georgia AAU New Jersey Freedom Cup Nov 14 Flemington, New Jersey AAU Friendship Tourny Nov 14 San Rafael, California North American Challenge Nov 20 North Olmsted, Ohio Choi's All-American Open Nov 20 Union City, California 1st ITF World Cup Nov Orlando, Florida Yim's TKD Chip Dec 6 Dallas, Texas PanAm Games Dec 6-12 Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic 20th Internat. Boeskool Trophy Dec 11 Oldenzaal, Netherlands Ventura Open Dec 11 Ventura, California ITF World Cup Dec Orlando, Florida 2005 USTU National Quals Jan 21-23 TBD Swedish Open Jan 29-30 Trelleborg, Sweden AAU Kentucky Quals Feb 5 Louisville, Kentucky Dutch Open Feb 12-13 Eindhoven, Netherlands US Open Feb 17-20 TBD AAU Gulf Quals Feb 26 Houston, Texas AAU Oregon Quals Feb 26 Vancouver, Washington AAU Potomac Valley Quals Feb 26 Emmitsbury, Maryland USTU National Quals March 4-6 TBD Open Belgium Chip March 4-6 Herentals, Belgium AAU Georgia Quals March 5 Norcross, Georgia European Juniors March 11-13 Baku, Azerbaijan AAU Wisconsin Chip March 12 Mukwonago, Wisconsin AAU Southern Nevada Quals March 12 Las Vegas, Nevada USTU National Quals March 18-20 TBD USTU National Quals April 8-10 TBD Islamic Solidarity Games April 8-20 Saudi Arabia AAU Ohio Quals April 9 Columbus, Ohio World TKD Chip April 11-17 Madrid, Spain Tekno Midwest Open April 23 Akron, Ohio AAU Region 9 Quals April 23 Houston, Texas USTU National Quals April 29-May 1 TBD AAU Region 12 Quals April 30 Spanaway, Washington USTU National Quals May 13-16 TBD Andorra Small Games June 3-4 Andorra 3rd Moja Kwan Invitational June 4 Roswell, Georgia Battle Of Columbus World Games June 11-12 Columbus, Ohio Junior Olympics June 30-July 4 Minneapolis, Minnesota AAU Nationals July 5-9 Greensboro, North Carolina 23rd Universiade July 16-26 Izmir, Turkey AAU Junior Olympics July 27-Aug 4 New Orleans, Louisiana ITF Senior World Chip July 28-31 Dortmund, Germany 17th Maccabia Games July Jerusalem, Israel 23rd Universiade Aug 11-21 Izmir, Turkey European Seniors Oct 6-9 Riga, Latvia 4th East Asian Games TBD Macao, China ITF Senior World Chip TBD Uzbekistan GTF European Chip TBD England 2006 15th Asian Games Dec 11-14 Doha, Qatar AAU Youth &Adult Nationals July 4-8 Knoxville, Tennessee AAU Junior Olympics July 26-Aug 5 Hampton Roads, Virginia World Cup Taekwondo Team Chip TBD Colorado Springs, Colorado GTF World Chip TBD Puerto Rico European Senior Chip TBD Riesa, Germany 2007 ITF Senior World Chip May 31-June 3 Quebec, Canada 15th Pan Am Games July 24-29 Rio de Janeiro, Brazil AAU Junior Olympics July 25-Aug 4 Knoxville, Tennessee 2008 2008 Olympic Games Aug 8-24 Beijing, China Please submit updates, additions, corrections. Ray Terry California Taekwondo and Hapkido http://MartialArtsResource.com The_Dojang, the Internet's discussion forum for Korean Martial Arts http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:53:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Spiller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Moo Duk Kwan tests (was re: Test at the Kukkiwon) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Regarding the testing requirements and procedures you posted for the US Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan, I was wondering if these are followed world wide. If HC Hwang Kwang Jang nim is th eonly one authorized to do Master testing does he go to other countries to promote their masters or do they travel to the US? What about the Korean members of the Moo Duk Kwan? Just curious. Taekwon, Chris > Message: 1 > From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" > > To: > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:03:24 -0500 > Subject: [The_Dojang] Test at the Kukkiwon > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > I have never been part of a testing at the kukkiwon, > but would like to express > the testing procedures of the US Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk > Kwan for comparison. > > All Gup level test are conducted by instructors with > either Kyo Sa or Sa Bom > certification through the US Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk > Kwan federation. The test may > last anywhere from 30 min for a new white belt to 3 > hours for a Red belt. All > material is required not just what they learned for > the particular rank they > are testing for. One steps are required ,the number > of techniques depends on > how many they have learned. All basic hand and foot > techniques are required, > all forms, one steps, ho sin sul, sparring and > breaking. There is also an oral > examination about history, terminology etc. > > Dan test are held regionally; They are conducted by > certified Sa Bom > instructors within the particular region they train. > The test board consist of > approx 10 to 20 Sa Boms. Prior to testing, Dan > candidates are required to > write (4) 2000 word essay's about Soo Bahk Do > history, Moo Duk Kwan history, > characteristics of particular hyungs, personal > motivations for training etc. > The test is approx 8 hours of physical demonstration > of required material. No > rest breaks are given, and students are expected to > be prepared. mentally and > physically to endure the test. All rank is issued by > the Moo Duk Kwan and was > until 2002 signed by GM Hwang Kee him self, > Certificates are now signed by HC > Hwang Kwan Jang Nim. Each passing student receives a > Dan Number. This Moo Duk > Kwan Dan Number system is unbroken since Hwang Kee > Kwan Jang Nim began it with > his first black belt. Kyo Sa and Sa Bom are total > separate testings and are > not awarded due to rank levels alone. > > Mater level test are conducted by GM HC Hwang only, > with the help of some > senior Moo Duk Kwan members. The test is a week > long. Essays are also > required although they are much more involved. At a > Ko Dan Ja Shim Sa (Masters > test) everyone is tested 24 hours a day not just on > physical ability but > conduct, protocol, endurance, teaching ability etc > (every master candidate has > to teach a class in front of HC Hwang Kwan Jang Nim > and is later critiqued. > Physical training begins at 6am and goes until > approx 12am with breaks for > breakfast lunch and dinner and occasional breaks for > restroom and hydration, > at the end of the day (12am) candidates are given a > written assignment to be > completed by the next morning. This causes sleep > deprivation and in my > opinion weeds out those that don't want it bad > enough. > > So to hear this post about the Kukkiwon I hope it is > not true, but if it is I > am disappointed. Test are designed to test you. > > JC __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:18:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Sims To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: talk.politics.guns Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I agree with Ray. This whole discussion about the rights of bears to have arms is getting a bit silly, don't you think? I mean, I know science has come a long way but even if it were possible is this something we want to do to one of Gawds' creatures? And as far as the right to bare arms, I can say quite honestly that I am completely indifferent to what other people think. I'll wear a short-sleeved shirt when I feel like it and theres nothing anyone can do about it! And thats the truth, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:27:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Sims To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Foreign Terms Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Are folks being serious about this or are you just making conversation? For starters there is a significant difference between a polyglot nation such as the US and the more homogeneous countries such as Korea and Japan. And yes, they do borrow a lot of words (especially technical terms) from the West and I suppose from America. However, we are speaking of a specific nomeclature regarding a specific activity. The Korean nation has its own nomenclature for its arts and martial traditions. Why would people want to borrow Japanese, or English or Thai words for things for which there are Korean terms? Now, if you want to practice Karate, and that style belongs to a particular Ryu and you are beholding to a soke and train under a hanshi, it makes perfect sense. I guess I am just wondering about why everyone is so keen on corrupting things with foreign words at some points and using Korean terms at other points when there are Korean terms for everything given that its a Korean art, yes? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] arming bears Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I agree with Ray. This whole discussion about the > rights of bears to have arms is getting a bit silly, > don't you think? I mean, I know science has come a > long way but even if it were possible is this > something we want to do to one of Gawds' creatures? Ok, I'll bore ya'll with one of my many tall, but true, tales. I can testify from first hand experience that bears come well armed. While backpacking in the Smokey Mountians a black bear came into our camp several times. At one point I was literally nose to nose with the bear, our noses being no more than 6 inches apart. Yes, noses. Yes, 6 inches. Just glad that didn't happen during the backpacking trip in Alaska as the bears up there are just a wee bit bigger, meaner and even better armed... :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:55:34 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: kukkiwon requires one steps? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 10/27/2004 5:12:06 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: I have never seen any actual 1-step requierments from the Kukkiwon. Were did you get the info? I have seen the Kukkiwon requierments, and 1-steps are not mentioned. I have even been to a few schools that give Kukkiwon certification, that do not do step sparring. _______________________ i dont believe its required, but its part of the curriculum. you can find the one steps in the kkw text and on the kkw website. take care, melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy _www.cjmaa.com_ (http://www.cjmaa.com/) 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply _www.cjmas.com_ (http://www.cjmas.com/) 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest