Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 03:01:49 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #474 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1800 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. dance class (michael tomlinson) 2. Re: dan recourse (Ray Terry) 3. Curious (Dennis McHenry) 4. Fun vs. Realism (Bert Edens) 5. West Point (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 6. Loner (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 7. Middle ground (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 8. Re: Middle ground (Ray Terry) 9. Life of U.S. Defector in North Korea (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:30:38 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] dance class Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey Alain, Pink tutu.... actually I think I would go with the lavender spandex!!! ha ha ha. Kip, I know what you mean about that sissy aerobics stuff... yeah,, ballet taught me never judge a book by it's cover... man I was always sore as crap afer those classes... the lady ballet instructor would stand perfectly still on one foot and just hold her other leg completely parallel to the floor without a bit of tension for close to five minutes!! Then she would look at me and say "do that",, dude how humbling it was... I'd be sweating like a maniac and grunting and wobbling on one foot thinking "this lady if friggin hardcore"!! Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] dan recourse To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:01:05 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > The USTU just does the paper work I am told the cert still comes from Korea. Things may have changed. Last I knew they printed and mailed out their own kukkiwons. The USTU dan office could no doubt tell you for sure. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Dennis McHenry" Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 22:21:05 GMT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Curious Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Cox, I was never a member of the US TSD(SBD)MDK Fed. and have never attended one of the week long Ko Dan Ja Shim Sa testings. Mac ________________________________________________________________ Juno Platinum $9.95. Juno SpeedBand $14.95. Sign up for Juno Today at http://www.juno.com! Look for special offers at Best Buy stores. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:05:14 -0600 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Bert Edens Subject: [The_Dojang] Fun vs. Realism Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net At 13:57 11/4/04, you wrote: >"JR Hilland >I respect you for you opinions, and I am glad you have fun training. For me I >prefer to train for realistic attacks from a person that wants to hurt me, in >a place where there is no judge and no referee. To me that is gratifying. >JC" > >I see no incompatability with enjoying training, or with instructors >incorporating certain "fun" elements to training, and training for realistic >attacks. If some schools go overboard, that's not surprising, but it's >different than the notion that there can be no levity in the dojang, or >enjoyment in training. Is there not a happy middle ground? > >Jim McHie Jr. Greetings, all... I would also like to add that having been on the receiving end of some of Master Hilland's techniques during the "August Carpet Inspection Fest" in Jackson, he is indeed making them very useful while he's having fun... And yes, he smiles the whole time... Who's to argue, if it's effective? :-) <> - Bert Edens, II Dan Springdale, Arkansas --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:17:23 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] West Point Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks Kevin I know Master Hong, In Kee: This makes since now. He would have mostly organized the event I referred to at West Point (although I don't know that as fact). I have trained at some of the same venues as Master Hong. I also have some amazing video of him demonstrating with HC Hwang Kwan Jang Nim. I believe he is in Korea at the present. The 15th of last month the Korean Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan opened a new do-jang, and he along with HC Hwang Kwan Jang nim and some other seniors were there to support it. Thanks Again JC --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:24:22 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Loner Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thank You Master Timmerman I was beginning to think I was the only old school instructor left. "diamonds are produce by extreme pressure" JC --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:35:57 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Middle ground Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jim wrote: "If some schools go overboard, that's not surprising, but its different than the notion that there can be no levity in the do-jang, or enjoyment in training..." Jim I enjoy being challenged and pushed, to see how far I can go, but the time for fun is at the beach, or at a barbecue. These are to different types of enjoyment. I don't want to realize at the hospital while the doctor is sowing up my gut from a knife attacker that I must not have been training hard enough. Or even worse get a call that one of my students was not prepared and is now hurt. I just ask for 100% of all my students, however this term 100% has become a cliché. Most people say I gave 100% but in reality they are not. Many don't even know what 100% is (it is the edge) because most have not been pushed to the edge. JC --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Middle ground To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:19:03 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > ... I don't want to realize at the hospital while the doctor is sowing > up my gut from a knife attacker that I must not have been training hard > enough. Or even worse get a call that one of my students was not prepared and > is now hurt. I just ask for 100% of all my students, however this term 100% > has become a clich. Most people say I gave 100% but in reality they are not. > Many don't even know what 100% is (it is the edge) because most have not been > pushed to the edge. My friend... You seem to think that you are in the minority taking this approach. I can assure you that you are simply one more attending a very crowded party. No need to feel special, or more hardcore, or more old school than many others here. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 18:21:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Life of U.S. Defector in North Korea Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net from Digital Chosunilbo NYT Describes Life of U.S. Defector in North Korea The New York Times reported on its Internet edition Thursday that testimony by U.S. military deserter 64-year-old Charles Jenkins about his 40 years in North Korea revealed "a portrait of a broken industrial society where living standards had regressed to the 19th century." The following is a summary of the testimony given before the court-martial at Camp Zama, Japan by both Jenkins and his Japanese wife, 45-year-old Soga Hitomi. Jenkins said "political supervisors" were in constant control of his life in North Korea. When he was living with three other U.S. defectors, he once searched his house while the supervisors were gone, discovering tape recorders and bugs in the attic. They could not go out with out permission from the supervisors, and they were forbidden to correspond with family in the United States. In 1980, Soga's political supervisor introduced her to Jenkins, telling her Jenkins would be the man she would marry. Soga and Jenkins both disliked North Korea, but they slowly came to love one another and decided to wed within a month. The U.S. defectors had to spend 10 hours a day studying about Kim Il-sung. They had to memorize Kim's works, which Jenkins remembered as "class struggle from the perspective of a crazy man." This was something that would have gotten him executed only 6 months ago. Criticism of Kim Il-sung or Kim Jong-il was intolerable, and he said he had seen a man dig his own grave. The house in which the couple lived in Pyongyang had almost no heat or electricity in the winter, and they had to wear all their clothes to bed. No warm water came out from the faucets. As the food rationing system fell apart, they raised vegetables and chickens in their yard, but they sometimes went to bed hungry. Deprived of books, Jenkins treasured an illegal copy of the historical novel "Shogun," which he read over 20 times. When candles melted down, he would collect the melted wax and make new candles. He later adjusted his North Korean radio, which could receive only state broadcasting channels, so he could secretly listen to the BBC. If "acts of rebellion" like that were discovered, however, the couple would have been thrown out of Pyongyang and forced to live deep in the mountains. Anti-American sentiment was severe. One day he was called to the hospital, where doctors cut off a piece of skin from his forearm tattooed "U.S.Army" without using anesthesia. Jenkins said there was no freedom in North Korea like in the United States. He realized he had made a huge mistake after just one day in North Korea. He said North Koreans are suffering under an "evil" system run by "a man who is evil to his bones." He was also sorry to his family, who had to suffer for 40 years without news of him. Le Ja-yeon --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest