>From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #475 - 8 msgs >Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 03:01:49 -0800 > >Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to > the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net > >You can reach the person managing the list at > the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..." > > ><<------------------ The_Dojang mailing list ------------------>> > >Serving the Internet since June 1994. >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > >The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. >1800 members. > >See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine >for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com > >Pil Seung! > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Testing (Rudy Timmerman) > 2. Hwang Kee (Gladewater SooBahkDo) > 3. Testing (Thomas Gordon) > 4. 2004 USKMAF Seminar Schedule USA (J R Hilland) > 5. 100% (CStovall@nucorar.com) > 6. RE: dance classes for martial artists (Howard Spivey) > 7. Hapkido books and videos (ABurrese@aol.com) > 8. Karate forms (Ray Terry) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 23:38:23 -0500 >From: Rudy Timmerman >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Testing >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Scott writes: > > Hello Master Timmerman, > > I am really looking forward to the chance to see you at a seminar > > again. > > I learned alot at the one I was able to attend last year. > > I just wanted to clairfy my position in my previous post. > > I think that many people just see the money being collected and assume > > that is the purpose for the test. > >Hi Scott: >I am glad to see that there are others who use tests for different >reasons than to make money, and I appreciate your comments. Most of >the folks who commented on this thread seem to think that money is the >main purpose for testing, For me, that is just not so, and I had hoped >there would be others who used tests as a genuine tool for making >better students. >Sincerely, >Rudy > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" >To: >Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 01:05:54 -0600 >Subject: [The_Dojang] Hwang Kee >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Sir; > >The best advice I can give is get a copy of the book History of the Moo Duk >Kwan. This little blue book gives the history of Moo Duk Kwan and the life >story of Hwang Kee Kwan Jang Nim. > >I will give you a few things I a know them. > >Hwang Kee was born November 9, 1914 > >In 1921 at age 7 he was first introduced to the martial arts, after seeing >a >fight at a Korean festival known as (Dan O) Hwang Kee later learned the man >fighting was using techniques from the art of Tae Kyun > >Hwang Kee followed the man home and began to watch the man practice from a >hill near the house. He asked the man to teach him but the man refused >because >he was to young. Hwang Kee continued to watch and practice what he saw. > >In 1935 he graduated high school and began to work for the railroad, where >he >had the opportunity to travel to Manchuria. It was there in 1936 he met a >Chinese master Yang, Kuk Jin. Hwang Kee mentions in his book that at this >time he had continue to train himself with what ever sources were available >for 20 years at the time he met Master Yang. After asking to be accepted >several times master Yang accepted Hwang Kee as a student. (This will be >the >only reference found of Hwang Kee having received formal instruction from >anyone) > >1937 Hwang kee went back to Korea but during 1941 returned to Manchuria for >instruction from Master Yang. >1946 China became communist and Hwang Kee could no longer travel to >Manchuria >to train with Master Yang > >1939 He was working at the Cho Sun Railway Bureau, This is where he was >introduced to Okinawan Karate books that he studied. Any Tang Soo Do >practitioner today that practices Pyung Ahn Hyungs, Passai Hyung and Kong >Sang >Koon should know this is the time the Okinawan Katas were adopted into Tang >Soo Do. > >In 1945 he founded the first ever Moo Duk Kwan school. If anyone ever >wondered >about his skill, or ability just ask some of the old Moo Duk Kwan members. >Master CS Kim, Master HC Hwang, Master Hong, In Kee Master JJ Shin. I >belive >they will confirm he was a great martial artist. > >I hope this helps > >JC > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 >Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:36:53 -0600 (CST) >From: "Thomas Gordon" >To: >Subject: [The_Dojang] Testing >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >An interesting thread. > >At our school, with a Chang Hun style Taekwondo curriculum, we have >testing every two months. We have nine color belts with three levels >within each belt. We charge $30 for the actual belt exam and the three >levels are in class at no charge. Some schools charge $75 for gup/kup >exams and others don’t charge anything at all. > >Those schools that don’t charge anything have the exam/belt/time/overhead >wrapped up in their monthly dues. Either that or they are ignorant to the >cost of business. In which case they are teaching at a free (or almost >free) facility, it’s strictly a hobby (with other sources of revenue >coming in for their home expenses), or they are going out of business. > >The reasoning for the in class stripes/testing is to build confidence and >set very short term goals. The student is typically testing in front of >the instructor only so there’s a little pressure but not insurmountable. >Again, there is no charge but they can only test for one time during >class. Otherwise, “go home and work on it, we’ll see you next class.” >Generally, it takes 3 weeks to get the first stripe, 2 more weeks to get >the second stripe, and 2 more to get the third stripe leaving about 2-3 >weeks for review before the actual testing. Three stripes means they have >shown reasonable proficiency in basics, forms, one-steps/self-defense >applications for their level. No three stripes, no test. > >With only two months between exams, it isn’t as if they’ll hit social >security age before the next exam. Our exams are open to the public. >Like Grandmaster West said, I wouldn’t put them out there if I thought >they were going to embarrass themselves, their family/friends, and the >instructors. However, some do fail on occasion and we don’t charge them >again next time. The in-class stripes have built a bit of confidence and >now it’s “show time.” Then, a few days later, we have our promotions with >a covered dish social where students and parents can mingle and build good >interschool friendships. > >Now just because we have testing every two months doesn’t mean the student >is testing every two months. Some do and some don’t. If a person does >exceedingly well and makes every exam, it is possible to make black belt >in 30 months. Although very few have done it that quickly. > >Well, that’s why we test and how we go about it. After paying belt cost >and certificate costs, the $30 exam doesn’t pay our rent but it certainly >goes towards our overhead expenses. I am a martial artist AND a business >man. The desire for martial arts is deep in me and I can’t shake it. I >tried to shake it after a very bad experience with one of my former >instructors. But my exodus only lasted about two weeks (although I did >find another instructor). Regardless of my infatuation to martial arts, I >must be able to keep the lights on and our students deserve a nice school >to workout in. Bottom line, that takes money. Primary reason behind >testing is a method to demonstrate proficiency and build confidence. For >our school, a bye product of testing is revenue. For that, I won’t >apologize. > >Best regards, > >Thomas Gordon >Florida > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 >From: "J R Hilland" >To: >Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:44:32 -0600 >Subject: [The_Dojang] 2004 USKMAF Seminar Schedule USA >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Ft. Wayne, IN November 6th, 2004 >Mister Anthony New, 4th Dan, of A. W. New Hapkido, will host Master J. R. >West for an all-day HapKiDo Seminar on November 6, 2004. For further >information, contact Mr. Anthony New at 260-490-2888 or >info@awnewhapkido.com. > >Jackson, MS November 19th & 20th, 2004 >Dr. He-Young Kimm, 9th Dan, and Master J. R. West, 8th Dan, will conduct a >two-day seminar at West's Hapkido Academy in Jackson, MS. Friday night will >be focused on Korean weapons techniques, primarily cane (Jipangi sool) and >rope (po bahk sool), taught by Master West, and Saturday will be a Korean >YuDo seminar, taught by Dr. Kimm. Fee will be $50 total. For more >information, call 601-856-8487 or contact us at JRW@hapkido.com. > >Fairfax, VA December 4th, 2004 >Mister Larry Nisenoff, 3rd Dan, of the North VA Hapkido Academy of Fairfax, >VA, will host Master J. R. West for an all-day HapKiDo Seminar on December >4, 2004. For further information, contact Mr. Nisenoff at >lxn@earthlink.net. > >--__--__-- > >Message: 5 >From: CStovall@nucorar.com >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 15:19:18 -0600 >Subject: [The_Dojang] 100% >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > ><<time for fun is at the beach, or at a barbecue. These are to different >types >of enjoyment. I don't want to realize at the hospital while the doctor is >sowing up my gut from a knife attacker that I must not have been training >hard enough. Or even worse get a call that one of my students was not >prepared and is now hurt. I just ask for 100% of all my students, however >this term 100% has become a cliché. Most people say I gave 100% but in >reality they are not. Many don't even know what 100% is (it is the edge) >because most have not been pushed to the edge.>>> > > > >After 20+ years involved with sports, exercise, and martial arts (forgive >me >for mentioning them in the same sentence) I've long come to a very simple >and sobering conclusion...you can't give 100% all of the time. To do so is >to play with fire. I don't care if you're preparing for a soccer game, or >practicing knife disarms at full speed...physical overtraining is physical >overtraining. And there is a price to pay for it...physical and mental >malaise, injuries, fatigue, illness, depression, etc. > > > >Do you regularly ask 100% from your students all the time, or do you scale >it back occasionally in order for them to recover? I've often toyed with >the idea of a "hard week/easy week" schedule should I ever run an organized >school or training facility. If you don't scale it back, then I'm >wondering >if you have a high injury and/or turnover rate. It might not be an issue >for those students that only come once or twice a week. But, I can see how >you might have problems with your hardcore students that are making it to >class three or more times a week. Burnout would be inevitable...unless >they >put something else in the water where you're from. > > > >Just curious. > > > > >CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > >This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information >intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If >this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the >intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, >disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly >prohibited. 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We all were extremely upset that hardened >warriors would have to be listening to a young lady yell "flossy flossy >one, > >flossy flossy two, come on girls, get those legs up...YOU'RE ALL PIGS..." >Ten minutes into the class I was weazing so badly people thought the Royal >Canadian Army's Princess Patricia's Regiment's Bagpipe Corps was at the >door > >playing "Amazing Grace." Never again did I bad mouth something that looked >like only girly men do... >Kip" > >a few years ago, when i was still training in ji do kwan, i trained at a >school in clifton, nj. the main jdk instructor there was a man named >carlos >farrell. mr farrell was a panamanian from the bronx, who had grown up in a >very tough neighborhood and had seen his fair share of street life by an >early age. he began training in jdk under master henry cho (cho si hak) in >manhattan very soon after master cho opened his first school in nyc. he >always said that jdk had saved his life. mr farrell eventually became a >6th >dan under master cho, and won many tournaments, breaking contests, etc. in >1969, he finished second in the free fighting competition in the open >tournament in nyc. the winner was a fellow named chuck norris. even in >his >mid 50s, he was a formidable sparring opponent. > >to this day, i remember mr farrell telling us about going to work out with >a >dance class a few times - if i recall correctly, it was a ballet class. he >said that he had never worked so hard in his life, that it was considerably >more strenuous than the average jdk class, and that anybody who made fun of >dancers was, at the least, pretty ill-informed. > >although i've never been to a dance class myself, i'll certainly take mr >farrell's word for it. > >--__--__-- > >Message: 7 >Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:21:48 -0500 >From: ABurrese@aol.com >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido books and videos >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Obviously I'd rather you order my videos from me, but I noticed this on >ebay and it would be a good buy. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=79780&item=7111004811&rd=1 > >Besides my video, I have Kelly's and it has some good info and I have a >couple of the books in the stuff being sold. > >Yours in Training, >Alain > >www.burrese.com > >--__--__-- > >Message: 8 >From: Ray Terry >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 06:26:19 -0800 (PST) >Subject: [The_Dojang] Karate forms >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > > ... Any Tang Soo Do > > practitioner today that practices Pyung Ahn Hyungs, Passai Hyung and >Kong Sang > > Koon should know this is the time the Okinawan Katas were adopted into >Tang > > Soo Do. > >Umm... Passai aka Bassai. Kong Sang Kun aka Kanku. etc. etc. > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com > > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang >http://the-dojang.net > >Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang > >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com >Standard disclaimers apply. >Remember September 11. > > >End of The_Dojang Digest