Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 03:01:50 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #477 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1800 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Towards a Hapkido Standard (Bruce Sims) 2. 100% (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 3. Hwang Kee (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 4. Re: Re: Towards a Hapkido Standard (Ray Terry) 5. Re: Hwang Kee (Ray Terry) 6. Central Texas Friendship Tourney this coming Saturday, Austin Texas... (Jason Thomas (Y!)) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 05:29:58 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Sims To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Towards a Hapkido Standard Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks, Ray. What the project is working to accomplish is to identify a set of minimal standards that individuals representing themselves as Hapkido practitioners could be expected to know. Rather than simply adopt a single standard from a particular group and ask other groups to accept those techniques as a standard in toto, I have been working to find those techniques which continually turn-up in each tradition regardless of their leadership. So far we have 11 kicks that everyone practicing a Hapkido art use. Two kicks which turm-up a very high number of times, though not in all basic material are the Inside and Outside Crescent kicks as well as the Roundhouse Kick. The spinning kicks certainly turn-up in most of the traditions but farther down the line in training. We also are working on an English and a Korean set of terms to try to get some sort of standardization there as well, but right now just organizing a list seems to be the top of the agenda. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 08:06:40 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] 100% Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sir I do asked 100% from my students every class, however what I am asking is 100% of what they are capable of on any given day. If a student comes to me and says I have a knee injury but I would like to train anyway. I tell them (after some discussion about the seriousness of the injury) that if they what to train. I expect for them to adapt or pull the power from kicks if they kick at all, or maybe adjust stances, but give 100% of what they are capable of without damaging or further injuring the knee. 100% is a metal exercise. People can give 100% of themselves with out giving 100% mentally but it is possible to 10o% mentally with out pushing you body over the edge. The trick is to push only to the edge. As for a healthy young 18 year old I push them every class 100%, however due to the nature of some techniques as compared to others the body does have time to recover. We may do a class where we do 1000 kicks and they are physically exhausted but we may have a class focused on the teaching of some new material where a lot of oral teaching is required and the students get to rest and focus understanding the technique instead of drilling on it. JC --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 08:22:20 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hwang Kee Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sir You are correct that the name used by Hwang Kee in 1945 was Hwa Soo Do. He used this name to connect to the Hwa Rang from ancient Korean history. He later adopted the name Tang Soo Do ( generic Karate) for the purpose of public recognition, but he did not change systems or teaching methods. Over time the generic name Tang Soo Do became know not as a generic term for Karate but as a complete system established by Hwang Kee. Hwang Kee did not create the Name Tang Soo Do, however by attrition from other instructors using the name and the formulation of curriculum under the name by Hwang Kee, He became known as the founder of Tang Soo Do Master Shin Jae Jul should be able to confirm this as he too was a student of Hwang Kee. I have many pictures of him from my early days of training when he was still with the Moo Duk Kwan, although I never had the opportunity to train with him directly. JC --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Towards a Hapkido Standard To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 08:46:13 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Thanks, Ray. What the project is working to accomplish > is to identify a set of minimal standards that > individuals representing themselves as Hapkido > practitioners could be expected to know. But doesn't this already exist, after a fashion, in Dr. Kimm's two HKD books? On the other hand... One problem you'll no doubt encounter is that Choi's Hapkiyusul-Hapkido-Yawara had very few kicks, as we currently think of them. Would the students & instructors that stem from that tradition then not meet the minimal standards you are attempting to set forward? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hwang Kee To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 08:53:03 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > ..., but he did not change systems or teaching methods. wrt Hwa Soo Do, do you have a reference for this statement? To the best of my knowledge we do not now know what Hwa Soo Do was like or how it was taught. Only that it was unpopular. -I- suspect it was much closer to the Kung Fu that Hwang Kee learned than it was to Tang Soo Do / Karate-do, but have no proof of that. But I also know of nothing trustworthy that backs your above statement...??? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Jason Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:03:04 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Central Texas Friendship Tourney this coming Saturday, Austin Texas... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just a friendly reminder. This Saturday, North Austin Tae Kwon Do will be hosting the Central Texas Friendship Tourney, open to all list members, all ranks, all styles all ages. Please visit www.natkd.com/events for more information. Hope to see you there! Jason --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest