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Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1800 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: The_Dojang digest, re heavy bag recommendations (Jeff Yeagley) 2. Heavy Bags (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 3. Re: Re: The_Dojang digest 7 yr old breaking a board (Craig Zeigler) 4. Testing (Rudy Timmerman) 5. Testing (Rudy Timmerman) 6. Master Shin (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 7. Danny Dunn, Gladewater, et al: (George Peters) 8. RE: Seven year olds breaking boards... (Master Mark Seidel) 9. RE: Re: How about dancing Hapkido (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) 10. 7 Year Old Breaking (Art VanVranken) 11. minimal standard (michael tomlinson) 12. Re: NKMAA Event (Dewitt, Garrett) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Jeff Yeagley" To: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:19:03 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: The_Dojang digest, re heavy bag recommendations Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> I prefer the movement of a hanging bag overall, but the freestanding bag offers a lot of convenience for home applications. It doesn't require bolting a bracket into a ceiling joist, and you can move it out of the way fairly easily. The Century XXL allows for different size people to work the bag without height adjustment. I prefer filling the base with sand as opposed to water. Jeff Yeagley Chief Instructor Academy of Fighting Arts Business Phone: 816-525-5555 Email: jeff.yeagley@wetrainharder.com Web: http://www.wetrainharder.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:19:45 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Heavy Bags Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Bill Try the BOB kicking target. It gives good feed back/resistance, and it allows you to focus on target areas with some sore of realism. I would recommend that you focus on the technical aspects of each kick and not just heavy contact. I find that some beginning students want to deliver power when kicking a heavy bag, but should realize power is delivered through the line of the technique not just effort from the student. JC --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:50:59 -0500 From: Craig Zeigler To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest 7 yr old breaking a board Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net TKDgalSamm@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 11/8/2004 5:18:00 PM Central Standard Time, >the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: >I know she's >having fear of breaking her hand instead but how would any suggest to get rid >off her fear? I've seen her execute all different types and kinds of >techniques (no problem with her postures) and at the moment she's going to do >it, she stopped at the board not following through. Any information would >greatly appreciate. Thanks. >If she has tried to break before unsuccessfully, my guess is that she is >having fear of PAIN because sometimes it really hurts BAD when you don't break ... > >What type of technique(s) is she using to break with ... and what are the >measurements of the board she is attempting? > >Thanks, >Loretta >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 1800 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > Breaking is one of those things that takes a good bit of concentration. Fear is natural as to a 7 year old it looks like a big piece of wood, and they can't break things like that. Only big people can do that. This is of course not true. The way my instructors deal with younger children and breaking is to use a thinner board. With the normal 1/2" board, that can break the child's hand, but we use a 1/8" board. This doesn't say we don't think the younger ones can't do it, but that its safer for them to do so. Using the thinner board also gives the child the ability to get over the fear of hurting themselves and concentrate on good form, focus and power. I know I ramble a lot, but thank you for letting me add my two cents. -Craig Zeigler --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 00:43:18 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Testing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Klaas writes: > May I ask how much you charge for a test? Hello Klaas. Not a problem. I test geup levels every three months, and I like to se progress to advancement every six months. The three month interval give me the chance to check and see if students are ready for a belt test three months down the road. If they are not, I give them free private lessons in order to catch up (if they attend regularly only). If they do not attend regularly, I charge them for private lessons, because I feel I have done MY part, and it was the student who lacked self-discipline to come to class. A color belt test costs $40.00 Canadian, and that includes the belt etc. My class fees reflect the belt testing fees, because testing is NOT mandatory. Hence, charging more for lessons (to offset belt tests) means those who might NOT take tests pay for something they do not get. My class fee is $55.00 per month for unlimited training time. This compares to $85.00 per month or more with other schools in our area. I run a non profit school, so all funds are returned to the club (and its students) in one way or another. By this I mean that we spend the money on overhead. If any is left, we do extra curricular activities or purchase equipment that is paid for by the club. I do the same with seminars. I understand that most high ranking Masters charge double (or more) than what I charge, and I do this not because I don't understand the value of my teaching... I simply feel that the host MUST be able to recover his or her expenses. I have personally paid for such expenses over and above what my former GM charged me for his seminars, so I know how much that can hurt a school. I have taught a number of seminars for people who need to get a few extra dollars to deal with hardships, and I turn the entire proceeds over to them. In closing, there are a number of people in my school who do not pay at all. I allow them to train and test free, because I know of the hardships they may suffer. No one else in my school knows about my free lessons, because I feel there is no need to disclose such information to other students. On the other hand, I will NOT let someone who makes wrong choices stay for free, as I believe this does not teach them that life is not a free ride. Don't expect to train for free at my school if you can afford to buy a pack of cigarettes each day and/or go for a drink every night lol. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 01:11:33 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Testing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Danny writes: > And anyone who > has been through one of my dan tests will assure you it is not 2 forms > and 1 minute of sparring. It is comprehensive. > > I have a small school, but I certainly don't know where the windfall of > testing fees all goes, because I am not getting rich from them. Hello Danny: I hear you about not getting rich from testing, especially when we do the same as you... comprehensive tests that last many hours even for low belt tests. Each test, students do EVERYTHING they did before, and I am harder on the BEFORE stuff because it should have improved. All our forms are done in four directions, and we have 16 hyung (and several weapons forms) to first dahn black belt. So, they WILL get an aerobic workout lol. I am about to do three days of black belt testing beginning on Thursday, and the folks who show up will be well worn by the time we get to the dancing lol (we party hardy after every event we do or go to, as I believe dancing and camaraderie is good for students). One of the requirements for black belt is to do our challenge course which includes, among many other events, a swim in icy Lake Huron and climbing a 12 foot flat wall. We have snow on the ground as I write this, but that will not stop us from getting wet. As usual, I will be the first one to literally break ice going in:) Some say I am nuts, especially when I point out errors with the Jook Do, but my people are quite willing to show me that they want to earn their belt the old fashioned way lol. As I said, nothing here that I have not done before or am still willing to do myself. To be fair, I do take into consideration personal handicaps etc. I may be crazy, but I DO try to be fair:) Sure, I know how well each of my students can do his or her stuff, but this is not about that... I could just hand them their belt and certificate, but then something is missing... I like them to FEEL they have earned their belt. To be sure, I expect them to remain humble, and our way is not the "only way" or even the best way. It is simply MY way of ensuring my people feel they have earned their belt. If they as much as hint that this makes them cocky, it will be a long time to their next belt:) I respect other martial arts, martial artists, and other ways of doing things, and I hope my students do too. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:46:16 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Shin Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Dunn The Occupation was officially over August 15,1945. Hwang Keep established the Moo Duk Kwan November 9, 1945. The statement that his first attempt to establish Moo Duk Kwan failed may not be warranted, although if you have some information to support it I would be interested. He only changed the name to get more public recognition. I agree that the name Tang Soo Do is a generic term (literally) but as the Tae Kwon Do movement began and the other 4 original kwans unified. The name Tang Soo Do became synonymous with Hwang Kee and the Moo Duk Kwan. The literal translation became a specific style. Today if someone says they take karate most people will ask what type or style, but if they say I take Tang Soo Do it is recognized as a type or style. unfortunately; the pictures I have of Master Shin are older and before the days of digital cameras, and I don't have the pictures recorded over to a digital format. I do have a calendar published by the US TANG SOO DO MOO DUK KWAN in the 1980's, I believe it was around 1984,85,86. He is doing a scissor kick. There is no doubt he is an excellent martial artist. What is Master Shin's Moo Duk Kwan Dan number? Also since he is a former student of the Moo Duk Kwan and you train with him. Ask him if he is aware of or is planning to attend the 60th anniversary of the Moo Duk Kwan. I was at the 50th anniversary in 1995 and I don't remember seeing him there. I did see and speak to Master CS Kim and Master HS Pak both Martial arts leaders that got there start with Hwang Kee. JC --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 03:27:49 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Danny Dunn, Gladewater, et al: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sirs, I havre been following the testing thread with much interest. Our first gup and on past cho dan also have "knowledge" portion. Sometimes written essays have been required. The knowledge portion is usually on terminoloogy, history,(U.S. and Korean) and philosophy. Do others have this also? Respectfully, George _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfeeŽ Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Master Mark Seidel" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Seven year olds breaking boards... Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 07:34:03 -0500 Organization: The Midtown Academy Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Although bone/growth plates are a consideration even up to age 14; there are many ways to have a child safely break. Start with balsa demo boards, then go to 3/8th inch white pine 6x8 inch. Hammer fist is the safest. Palm strike can damage the wrist. Board breaking builds self-esteem and shows the student a self assessing benchmark of their accomplishments and power. Master Mark Seidel Martial Arts /PE Program The Midtown Academy http://www.midtownacademy.org -----Original Message----- From: Eric Walker [mailto:ericules@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 8:57 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Seven year olds breaking boards... Mr. Clint asked "Hello, Good day to all Masters and Practitioners! I have a question about "board-breaking". During the session my 7 year old daughter is having a hard time executing breaking the board, either breakable or wood. I know she's having fear of breaking her hand instead but how would any suggest to get rid off her fear? I've seen her execute all different types and kinds of techniques (no problem with her postures) and at the moment she's going to do it, she stopped at the board not following through. Any information would greatly appreciate. Thanks. Respectfully, isoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 --__--__-- Message: 9 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: How about dancing Hapkido Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:25:17 -0000 From: To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net DID you know that Bruce Lee was the cha cha champion of Hong Kong? dancing feet also had direct to the great Sugar Ray Robinson. -----Original Message----- From: Klaas Barends [mailto:kbarends@mac.com] Sent: 03 November 2004 20:45 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: How about dancing hapkido > Seriously, though, I strongly suggest cross-training in dance under a > good > instructor. They have an amazing amount of knowledge on body > mechanics, > balance, posture, power generation, blending with a partner, etc. Of > course, chances are cha-cha lessons aren't going to save your > life...But > they may save your social life! Many women love a man who can dance... > :) http://www.hapkido.nl/uk/index.php?mode=info&Page=646 -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ http://www.sangmookwan.com/ _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1800 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang **************************************************************************** SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe that you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone the supplied number, reversing the charges if necessary. --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 07:43:12 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Art VanVranken" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] 7 Year Old Breaking Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I also disagree with seven year olds breaking with their hand. At our DoJang most young students don't attempt to break with their hand until Black Belt Test. And then they usually use Hammer Fist. Has anyone ever noticed the difference between Colored Patio Blocks and the Gray Blocks. We have some that seem to be almost impossible to break, a red one and a green one! [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of IMSTP.gif] [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type Image/jpeg which had a name of BackGrnd.jpg] --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:52:21 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] minimal standard Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I think if you "don't" have a minimal standard in Hapkido then something is definately wrong with your curriculum. I know the "art" part of Hapkido is important but I don't think it is important until you have enough years in the art to be able to flow and be very good with the basics. This is where the standards come into importance. Let's face it in every endeavor or profession on this planet there are standards... why would Hapkido be any different. Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Dewitt, Garrett" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 07:21:26 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: NKMAA Event Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Grandmaster Timmerman wrote: "Have a great event master J. Wish I could be there, but you know we have our annual award dinner and black belt promotions. All NKMAA members driving to Canada for the seminars and promotions this coming weekend... drive safe!" Sincerely, Rudy Thank you Grandmaster Timmerman for the reminder..... It is already time for this event, where does the time go Sir? Actually PSN Karmon and I have been preparing for The KSB promotional test and we have even gone swimming several times in preparation for the wonderful swim off St. Joseph Island. The water is a bit chilled this time of the year here in Minnesota, however it is done at PSN Karmon's insistence. See you quite soon Sir. Respectfully Garrett NKMAA Member Brainerd, MN. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest