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Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1800 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: heavy bag (Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)) 2. Small snag. (Peter "Nighthawk" Lampasona) 3. Re: 7 yr old Girl: Board Breaking (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 4. Re: knowledge portion (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 5. world record for the most martial arts full contact kicks complet ed in an hour (Donnelly, Eamonn) 6. New School (Michael Rowe) 7. Re: Varied Thoughts...... (Bruce Sims) 8. Re: Roundhouse Kicks (Bruce Sims) 9. Re: Re: Roundhouse Kicks (Ray Terry) 10. SINMOO HAPKIDO SEMINAR (James Allison) 11. Re: Re: knowledge portion (Dante) 12. Buying MA equipment (ABurrese@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] heavy bag Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:50:19 -0500 From: "Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In the beginning (read as NO previous MA experience), IMVHO one should kick a medium weight bag while developing technique. Once the technique is solid; move forward to full power kick into a heavy bag. Then move to kicking a swinging heavy bag. Caution I've seen some ugly hyperextension injuries to knees using a heavy bag with poor technique/timing; especially if the kicker is kicking an already swinging bag. I also agree with the post below. Once the technique and muscles are built, then you can kick into the air. I still have to watch my front snap kicks into the air. Its easy to whip that leg and slightly hyperextend the knee. Thanks, Brian Woodard -----Original Message----- From: freddie bishop [mailto:mauler681@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:31 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] heavy bag I think learning to kick and punch the heavy bag in the initial learning stages is essential to proper technique. Kicking into the air is dangerous, IMO, when learning how to perform and apply the technique. Fred __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1800 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Peter \"Nighthawk\" Lampasona" To: Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 00:16:05 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Small snag. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Did the list serve ever get the outline I sent? I use this e-mail for martial arts and research information only so I don't check it every day, but I never received my own message through the dojang so I'm wondering if I didn't do something wrong. Guess I'll try to resend the outline in either case. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 00:23:30 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: 7 yr old Girl: Board Breaking Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "Good day to all Masters and Practitioners! I have a question about "board-breaking". During the session my 7 year old daughter is having a hard time executing breaking the board, either breakable or wood. I know she's having fear of breaking her hand instead but how would any suggest to get rid off her fear? I've seen her execute all different types and kinds of techniques (no problem with her postures) and at the moment she's going to do it, she stopped at the board not following through. Any information would greatly appreciate. Thanks." _______________________________ i'm running a little slow in my reading, but thought i'd still reply to this one. i wouldnt recommend any breaking with hands for a 7 year old. too young. their bodies are still growing and using the hand to break could be damaging to growth plates. take care, melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy _www.cjmaa.com_ (http://www.cjmaa.com/) 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply _www.cjmas.com_ (http://www.cjmas.com/) 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- Message: 4 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 00:28:47 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: knowledge portion Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "Good Sirs, I havre been following the testing thread with much interest. Our first gup and on past cho dan also have "knowledge" portion. Sometimes written essays have been required. The knowledge portion is usually on terminoloogy, history,(U.S. and Korean) and philosophy. Do others have this also? Respectfully, George" _______________________________ we require terminology knowledge as well as essays at all gup levels. take care, melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy _www.cjmaa.com_ (http://www.cjmaa.com/) 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply _www.cjmas.com_ (http://www.cjmas.com/) 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Donnelly, Eamonn" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:23:35 -0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] world record for the most martial arts full contact kicks complet ed in an hour Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Article from our local newspaper Doyle worked non-stop for 13hr 59min 55 sec at a gym in the Bavarian provincial capital, completing a long list of gruelling challenges ranging from swimming and running to weight lifting and star jumps. He began at 9.45pm on Saturday and worked through the night, finishing at midday on Sunday. Despite that marathon effort, Doyle also found time to break the world record for the most martial arts full contact kicks completed in an hour. He managed 2,805, smashing the previous best of 1,995. That's one full contact kick every 1.3 seconds for an hour!!!!!!!! http://www.leamingtonspatoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=692&ArticleI D=885629 Confidentiality Note: The information in this electronic mail ("e-mail") message may be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by privilege, work product immunity or other applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient the retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you receive this electronic mail ("e-mail") in error please notify us immediately by telephone on +44 (0) 24 7686 2000 or by e-mail at postmaster@cel-international.com. Thank you. Registered in England No. 3877626 Registered Office 256 Foleshill Road Coventry CV6 5AB --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Michael Rowe" To: Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:57:38 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] New School Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Our school has just opened a new 10,000 sq ft facility in Omaha, Nebraska. With 3 Training floors we now have one of the most state of the art facilities in the Midwest. Check out our new revamped website at www.unitedmartialartsacademies.com Hey Mr. Boit hopefully you'll get a chance to come up sometime and see it now :) Michael Rowe "All I ask is a chance to prove that money can't make me happy. " mp_rowe@cox.net --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:12:59 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Sims To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Varied Thoughts...... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Folks: "......The machine gun is a recent invention, the muzzle loader is an ancient weapon, as are the sling shot and the rock. Yet I see no armed forces training for these old, venerable weapons Old is not necessarily better, just older. My gut feeling, from being on the receiving end of many well placed RH kicks, is that it will be around long after most of us are dust......." I can see that this is going to be a very long, up-hill battle. So let me take this a step at a time. 1.) First off, I do not mean my teacher any disrespect. I owe him a lot and I will probably not repay it in this lifetime. That said, may I also point out that to use him as an excuse not to delve deeper into the Hapkido arts is, in my book, cowardly. Certainly I can always use my loyalty to GM Myung as an excuse not to push the edges of my envelope and I must report that for sometime maybe I have done this. I have done my "deferential thing" and it has done little for the beneift of the Hapkido arts, in my book, other than maintain the same devisive atmosphere with which we have been plagued for the last 50 years. Time for a change. 2.) I have made a case for greater sensitivity for Chinese influences for not a few years now. You folks reflexively invoke Japanese influences and noone seems to mind too much. I invoke Chinese influences and am told that to do so would make Korean traditions "Chinese". To some extend they ARE Chinese!! Certainly Chinese influenced!! 3.) Lastly I find it intriguing that while you "forward thinking" folks constantly seem to view KMA as only for this day moving forward, you seem to deride investigating past practices as a waste of time. I find this curious. On one hand you enjoy identifying what you do as an "art" but you reserve to yourself the option to treat it as a selective collection of thoughts and moves. The use of the musket vs automatic weapons might work except that everyone who has ever worked on designing new weapons has always made a study of old weapons to most fully understand the principles involved. And there are still folks who use black powder for hunting in our modern day and age. I will probably never fully understand why it is that having been damaged so badly by the devisiveness of the last 50 years, Hapkido practitioners are still so keen on pointing up differences rather than similarities among practices. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:25:31 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Sims To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Roundhouse Kicks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Jason: "......Which forms would you classify as traditional? The Chang-Hon forms have Round House Kicks? :) Did you mean old rather than traditional?......" Somewhere I am sure that a person will drag up the old mess about "what is a tradition" and that will probably drag on for weeks while every mothers' son has to demonstrate their prowess on a keyboard. In the meantime the point I was making is that the Roundhouse Kick is a relatively new addition to the Korean, Chinese and Japanese MThand arsenals. Looking at the MYTBTJ (1795) there is no use of the RH Kick in any of the paired work in the Kwon Bup chapter. Looking at the Tam Tui 12 (which takes us back a few hundered years) there is no RH Kick in any of the 12 streets. Somewhere in the Shaolin traditions, Long Fist traditions, Small Red Fist/Large Red Fist traditions there may be a RH kick in one of dozens of forms. I have not found it yet. Not once. In all of the Okinawan kata from which the Japanese kata proceed beginning with the oldest (KU SHAN KU) there are no RH Kicks. Likewise this takes us back to the closing decades of the 1700-s. Conclusion? We have a kick "today" that was not evident in the KMA "yesterday". Ergo: It is a new technique which if used long enough will become a comfortable part of Korean martial traditions. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Roundhouse Kicks To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:52:02 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Conclusion? We have a kick "today" that was not > evident in the KMA "yesterday". What about Taekkyon? I don't see a TSD/Shotokan-ish roundhouse kick there, but there does appear to be a roundhouse kick somewhat similar to the RH kick seen in muay thai -and- Sin Moo HKD (kick #7). Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "James Allison" To: Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:46:46 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] SINMOO HAPKIDO SEMINAR Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I would like to invite everyone to our 3rd Annual Sin Moo Hapkido seminar with Do Ju Ji Han-Jae April 16-17, 2005. Do Ju Nim was just at my School for two days and is excited about the event. He will be covering all his 3rd and 4th Degree Black Belt requirements during the 2 day event. Everyone that can make it into town that Friday night we will be having a welcome workout from 6pm till we get tried. The cost of the seminar is going to be $250 and all participants must pre-register. If you would like more info please contact me at hapkido@alltel.net or call my school at 706-776-1026. Respectfully yours in Hapkido, James Allison Georgia Sin Moo Hapkido --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 08:40:12 -0800 (PST) From: Dante To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: knowledge portion Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It has been an interesting thread and I have enjoyed and appreciated all of the various discussions. At our school, there are two separate programs, TKD and HKD. From 2nd Gup on, written papers are required for all kids and adults (no under 16 in HKD). Many students are in both programs and the Hoshinsul for the TKD is in line with the basic HKD curriculum up to a point. To answer the question: 2nd Gup "What TKD or HKD means to me" 3-5 pp 1st Gup "Why I want to be a Black Belt 3-5 pp 1st Gup midterm prep for 1st Dan test "History ad Philosophy of TKD/HKD 5-7 pp 1st Dan to 2nd "History and Philosophy of any other KMA" 5-7 pp 2nd to 3rd "History and Philosophy of any other martial art 5-7 pp 3rd to 4th "TKD/HKD resume and "What I Have Learned along the way" 5-7 pp Korean Language, history and philosophy are regular parts of the class and questions in every testing. Over the years, and in many dojang, I have been disappointed in the lack of discussion or direction/guidance in philosophy, introspection, etc either explicit or implicit. If we aspire (an assumption on my part that we do) to teach MuDo, not just MuYe or MuSul, an interesting discussion may be how individuals weave it into the everyday classes. How many people will spend a significant portion of an occasional class in discussion? Sometimes I find it just happens when I am in the "Philosophy 101" mood as I call it and it becomes the best class of the week. I have almost all of the papers written over the years and occasionally re-read them or give them back to the student to read after several years. Interesting to see evolution. Take care. Peace Dante Ki Martial Arts Academy Aurora, Co -----Original Message----- From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Sent: Nov 11, 2004 10:28 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: knowledge portion "Good Sirs, I havre been following the testing thread with much interest. Our first gup and on past cho dan also have "knowledge" portion. Sometimes written essays have been required. The knowledge portion is usually on terminoloogy, history,(U.S. and Korean) and philosophy. Do others have this also? Respectfully, George" _______________________________ we require terminology knowledge as well as essays at all gup levels. take care, melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy _www.cjmaa.com_ (http://www.cjmaa.com/) 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply _www.cjmas.com_ (http://www.cjmas.com/) 1.877.847.4072 _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1800 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Dante J. James, Esq. Project Director AA-VIP 303-830-1105 Change is Inevitable, Growth is Optional VOTE - Your future depends on it! --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:35:43 -0500 From: ABurrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Buying MA equipment Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey all, Yesterday I recieved a big box of uniforms and weapons for my Hapkido class. I ordered these from list member Melinda at Chajonshim.com Like previous orders, Mel got things sent to us right away and everything arrived as promised. I strongly recommend doing business with her for your martial art supply needs. Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest