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Re: Stretching (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Subject: RE: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Roundhouse Kick Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:53:40 -0500 From: "Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I always hated the tournament rules that would not allow the ball-of-the-foot roundhouse. Mainly because the styles of TKD that I have trained in said a roundhouse kick was only with the ball-of-the-foot. Switching to pointing the toe always threw my accuracy off as I was used to locking the ankle with a tight foot and focusing the ball of my foot on the target. I was always able to sneak in a ball-of-the-foot roundhouse to the solar plexus (sp?), but they always called me on the ones to the head. Darn thing used to knock 'em out every time. I've been on the receiving end of one of those minus the headgear- instant migraine. As far as a roundhouse kick in a security situation. Not a good idea IMHO. Better to sweep and joint-lock followed by pain compliance measures to restrain the perp than gambling on accuracy with a RH. My 2 cents. Thanks, Brian Woodard -----Original Message----- From: Robert Mitchell [mailto:rjwmitchell@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 4:35 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Roundhouse Kick 'Sometime back there was a discussion on SABAKI (?).............ose trading ventures were well-documented in both Burma and Thailand.' For my first post to this net, I am reminded about a piece of information I came across in the mid 80's when researching generally in TKD. It doesn't go to the origin of the kick, just to the Japanese/Korean influence. It was in a piece of writing that was largely anecdotes from one of Funokishi's war-time senior students. Sorry, I can't remember the book or author's name, but two items related made an impression. The author, in a passage explaining how Funokoshi's war time students were graded up to black belt without teaching them Kata, often without even knowing of the existence of Karate Kata, related that initially, Funokoshi taught both front and roundhouse kick with the striking surface being toes tensed and pointed, so that the point of the big toes was the striking point. But that after receiving some Koreans who were impressed into the Imperial Japanese Army, and noticing their ball-of-the-foot striking in both kicks, Funokoshi changed to that style of kick. Around here, most martial styles seem to use the top-of-foot striking style now-a-days. My initial TKD instructor in 1981 taught us that: the toes tensed and pointed version is correct when wearing soft soled shoes as it strengthens the point of the shoe for use as a weapon; the toes pulled back version is good for hard soled shoes, for the same reason, and also bare-foot; and the top of foot version is also good when bare-foot, best in the ring as it is quicker, more able to be hidden, and less dangerous, also best for security work for the same reasons, and because being less dangerous, the security guard has more chance of controlling or taking out the aggressor with less risk of the law suit as a result of broken bones (or worse) that might result from a point of shoe kick. My HKD master teaches the top-of-foot style of roundhouse kick as a basic kick from 10th kup on, and uses it for the ring, but expects black-belts and above to switch to the ball-of-foot style for all applications except the ring. Robert (Australia) _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1800 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:21:02 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Sa Ja Nim update Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Charles, That's Awesome! Proud papa you should be. I look foreward to meeting Niko one day. All the best to you and the family, Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:41:56 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Proud Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Charles writes: > I am proud (papa) to annouce that Sa Ja Nim Niko Richards completed a > half day olympic sparring clinic with me Sunday. Way to go Charles. Nice to know a proud papa who takes his job of parenting serious:) Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Jason Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:28:20 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Central Texas Friendship Tournament. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'd like to thank everyone who participated in the Central Texas Friendship Tournament in Austin. It was a great time, we ended up with 60+ competitors, mostly children, no one got hurt and everyone had fun. I'd like to especially thank the visiting instructors who brought students and volunteered there time to judge and help facilitate the tournament. GM Jim McMurray - House of Discipline Martial Arts, Killeen, TX Sr. Master Troy Smith - Master Smith Black Belt Academy, Corrigan, TX Andrew Budd - Enshin Karate, Austin, TX Chris Abramson - Lakeway Taekwondo, Lakeway, TX Enrique Caballero - American Institute of Taekwondo, San Antonio, TX Kat Kelly - Braeswood Martial Arts, Houston, TX Thanks again and we hope to host another tournament next year! Jason --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Roundhouse Kick To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:19:35 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I always hated the tournament rules that would not allow the > ball-of-the-foot roundhouse. What type of tourny? I haven't heard of that kick not being allowed in any tourny...??? Just seems odd that a standard front kick (toes back) would be allowed but not the Karate style roundhouse kick. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "John Vanderhee" To: Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:08:46 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Stretching machines Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello everyone, Does anyone own a stretching machine and if so, are they worth the money and do they really help in achieving maximum flexibility ?? Thanks...... --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:28:34 -0600 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Jim Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Buying MA equipment Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Pertaining to the question of affordable MA equipment, If you don't mind a plug for the company I work for, KO-Online.com, we wholesale MA equipment, import, export & yes, contrary to popular belief even import Korean swords. Thanks for allowing the space http://www.ko-online.com Jim TKD 6th Dan Kumdo 4th Dan HapKiDo 4th Dan --__--__-- Message: 8 Subject: RE: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Roundhouse Kick Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:40:28 -0500 From: "Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It may have been a insurance or liability thing. They did not call it out as a "rule" at the beginning of the tournament but I was warned by judges when I connected with a RH to the head to use the top of the foot. It was not a large tournament that was sponsored by a school via invitation only in out in Kansas. Our school was invited to participate. They allowed a rh kick they just wanted the top of the foot to be the strike point instead of the ball. Thanks, Brian Woodard Phone: 843.760.7423 Pager: 843.434.3006 -----Original Message----- From: Ray Terry [mailto:rterry@idiom.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:20 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Roundhouse Kick > I always hated the tournament rules that would not allow the > ball-of-the-foot roundhouse. What type of tourny? I haven't heard of that kick not being allowed in any tourny...??? Just seems odd that a standard front kick (toes back) would be allowed but not the Karate style roundhouse kick. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1800 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Patrick Baeder Organization: Auburn Academy of Martial Arts, LLC To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Stretching machines Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:50:14 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "Does anyone own a stretching machine and if so, are they worth the money and do they really help in achieving maximum flexibility ??" I recently had an instructor bring his ProForce stretching machine to store at the dojang. I had never been a real proponent for the stretching machine because I have been able to do full splits for some time now. I felt that at the full split level, further growth should be achieved by performing the splits between chairs. This gives farther than 180 degrees of movement and strengthens the groin muscles. Since I have been playing with the machine, I have had the opportunity to hold splits beyond 180 degrees for relatively long periods of time (1 minute plus). I feel that this is further increasing my flexiblity and allows for the muscles to relax even at such extreme angles. After such a stretching session, I feel very well stretched. I have several adult students, not capable of doing a full split, who are using the machine. They too say that they feel very well stretched after using the machine. I would exercise a degree of caution with the stretching machines, because they lend themselves to students cranking their legs out farther and faster than they should. I don't think that the stretching machine should replace other forms of stretching, but can suppliment what stretching is already being done. PB --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:18:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Stretching machines From: "Martin Von Cannon" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I recommend a book called "Stretching". No machine needed. No hype. No outlandish guarentees. Bob Anderson breaks the stretches down and shows alternatives. In the back of his book, there are series of stretches to do for various activities. One of the activities is Martial Arts. I have used the stretches and am rather flexible now. -- Martin Von Cannon Instructor Tacoma, WA. Dojang A Black Belt is more than something you wear. It's more than something you earn. A Black Belt is something you become. > Hello everyone, > > > Does anyone own a stretching machine and if so, are they worth > the money and do they really help in achieving maximum flexibility ?? > Thanks...... --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Jason Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Subject: FW: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Roundhouse Kick Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:55:06 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I think a Round House Kick to the knee is usually very effective. Jason -----Original Message----- From: Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8) [mailto:Brian.Woodard@us.bosch.com] I always hated the tournament rules that would not allow the ball-of-the-foot roundhouse. As far as a roundhouse kick in a security situation. Not a good idea IMHO. Better to sweep and joint-lock followed by pain compliance measures to restrain the perp than gambling on accuracy with a RH. My 2 cents. --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Stretching To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:00:08 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.bradapp.net/docs/rec/stretching/ A good FAQ. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest