Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 03:02:47 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #497 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1800 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Sip Sam Seh (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 2. Warrior Scholar (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 3. Teaching for money (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 4. HC Hwang history report (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 5. Training with GM Timmerman (Braeswood Martial Arts) 6. Re: opening school (Hoshindo5@wmconnect.com) 7. Schools (Rudy Timmerman) 8. golden ratio (michael tomlinson) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 22:39:58 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Sip Sam Seh Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks Frank Any help will be appreciated, although I have compiled quite a list of material. It may take some time to filter thru it and find out what is legitimate and what is junk. JC --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 22:45:19 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Warrior Scholar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thank you for the reference to the web site warrior scholar. I know Master D. Sagarra, although we only met once in Cincinnati, Ohio after the Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan national championships in 1998. We all went out on the town in Kentucky and had a great time. Master Sagarra is a former member of the Moo Duk Kwan federation. He wrote that paper on his web site as part of his O Dan testing requirements. I have read it. It is very interesting and has been a great deal of help. JC --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 23:22:04 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Teaching for money Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net OK I have been staying out of this one, but here are my thoughts. First let me say I don't really have a problem one way or the other. This is just what works for me. I have a do-jang with approx 100 active students. I charge $40 per month (no contracts, and no real retail sales either) I also own a company that is my primary source of income. I consider my company my job/business, and I run it as such. I decided long ago that I would never be a full time commercial studio. My reasons were simple. I love the martial arts. When one blends the love of the art they study and the pressures of business, at some time one or the other will suffer. I believe that commercial run studios have the potential to look at every new student that walks in as a dollar sign. But when the financial obligation is gone, what is left is Student and Instructor. I tell my students that the do-jang belongs to them, not me. The money they pay each month provides the building, lights, water, targets etc. Not my income, I teach because I want to give back to the art. Students are then proud to pay, and proud of the school. It becomes more than just a gym. There is a difference between true love and respect for your instructor, school and art. And loyalty to a school just because that's where you are enrolled, like a high school students says there football team is best until they change schools. As for contracts. I want students that pay and train because the want to learn, Not because they are legally bound. I also read a recent post that read something like "...would you seek out a cheap doctor..." I understand what they were trying to say, however I don't believe we are comparing apples to apples. A doctor is a commercial business, as is a dentist, layers etc. Most professionals pursue these professions for two reasons (1) personal interest (2) MONEY. I consider being an instructor more like being a parent. You can't put a price on that kind of relationship parents teach there children because they love and care about them. Not for the money. I think its OK to charge for classes but some try to take advantage. This is just my opinion. FWIW JC --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 23:28:48 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] HC Hwang history report Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Richards; I talked to federation headquarters Friday. HC Hwang Kwan Jang Nim was in Mexico until the 18th. He also left message for me via Master Phil Duncan that he would indeed find the dan #s, Ranks and dates of departure from the Moo Duk Kwan of the people listed in the earlier post. His message indicated that due to the age of some of the practitioners departure. They will be recorded in the original Dan Number book in Korea. He said he would get the information for me but that the US federations records don't include the complete Dan number records. As soon as I know I will let everyone know. JC --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Braeswood Martial Arts" To: Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 07:40:09 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Training with GM Timmerman Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I want to congratulate all who were in the Soo for the training, testing, promotions and dinner/dance. I had the priviledge of being there last year and had hoped to be able to make it an annual tradition. This year it was not to be but am hopeful to be there next year. I have trained at GM Timmerman's dojang and can tell you no matter when I was there and whatever else was going on, I was always made to to feel at home. The training was always an inspiration and I never spent a moment there without learning something new, even on material I had known for years. I recommend that anyone who has a chance to spend time with GM Timmerman do so, I know for me personaly I always learn from him even when we just share a meal:) Congrats to all Band of Brothers members whom made it through this past year... and congratulations to Master DeWitt and PSBN Keppers. And a special congratulations to my friends and training partners (now) Kwan Jang Nim Lorne Keatley and Jo Kyo Nim Manfred Fischer of Timmerman's Martial Arts in Sault Ste Marie. I miss you guys!!! Kat --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Hoshindo5@wmconnect.com Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 09:55:09 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: opening school Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > < dear folks > When is the right time to open up your own martial > arts school.> > > I would say when it feels right to you. I was teaching a martial arts > program out of a dance studio for eight years and I felt like I needed to take > that next step and have a place of my own so I could offer more to my students > and others. > At the dance studio I never had more than 20 students, now after only 3 > months at my place I have 35 and still growing. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:28:12 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Schools Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Fred writes: > When is the right time to open up your own martial > arts school. Some folks start soon after they earn > their black belt, and some folks start one when their > teacher says they can. So, my question is more of a > personal one. When does a person "know" when their > ready to serve the community as a martial arts > instructor? You are probably ready when people will come to you for lessons (and stay long enough for you to pay the bills you incur running a school). Problem is that some folks will open a school before they are ready, and then the folks that come to them get ripped off perhaps never to return to martial arts again. Their first taste of the art is so bad, that it has turned them off completely. I am not even going into the safety issues of unqualified people teaching. Hence, it might not be a bad idea to ask your instructor to let you know when you are ready. At least he has had some experience with you and with running a school. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:55:05 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] golden ratio Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Frank writes: Thirteen is also a Fibonacci number, which refers to the theoretical, and controversial Golden ration. How do you figure this? I use the golden ratio in my artwork and I don't understand where you related the number 13 to this... Michael Tomlinson --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest