Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 03:02:57 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #506 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1800 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. experience (freddie bishop) 2. Doing the right thing (michael tomlinson) 3. No. 42, "Chousenshi kenkyuukai ronbunshuu" (Ray Terry) 4. TSD and MDK again (Charles Richards) 5. Gm KIM Jae-joon (Ray Terry) 6. standards of Hapkido (joseph lumpkin) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:15:44 -0800 (PST) From: freddie bishop To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] experience Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net What other types of experiences would be beneficial to a new instructor? I am currently serving as a cubscout leader for a group of boys. The position has taught me alot about presenting subject matter to children so they will understand it. I would like to continue in the cubscout leader position to learn more about children, teaching, and how to guide them on a lifelong path of learning. Fred __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:05:02 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Doing the right thing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well said Rudy, I too think people can get wrapped too tight in the peripheral trappings of martial arts and not get enough mat time... it's funny because I teach on tues. and thurs. nights and have to stay after work before I go to the dojang, I live to far from the dojang to commute from work to home and then back to the dojang,, I usually get my five to 7 mile run in before going to the dojang, it eats up the time between work and Hapkido and is good for me... every tues and thurs. on the way to the dojang I am tired and wore out from the run and work,, once I get on the mat at the dojang some weird energy and good feeling comes over me and I almost always end up staying and teaching late even though I don't mean too... the mat and Hapkido truly does reenergize me every week.... Michael Tomlinson --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 10:33:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] No. 42, "Chousenshi kenkyuukai ronbunshuu" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... The 2004 issue of the Chousenshi kenkyuukai's journal "Chousenshi kenkyuukai ronbunshuu" has been published. In No. 42 are the articles below, whose titles have been translated into English. Unno Fukuju. "Japanese-North Korean Normalization Negotiations and Liquidation of the Past: Regarding the Validity of the Treaty of Korean Annexation and Other Defunct Treaties" Kang TOk-sang. "Review of Japan-Korean Relations over the Eighty Years since the Great Kanto Earthquake" Yamada Shoji. "An Approach to the Massacre of Koreans during the Great Kanto Earthquake" Mitsui Takashi. "The Theory of Common Japanese and Korean Origins in Modern Academic Historiography, Focusing on the Period around the Annexation of Korea" Miyazato Osamu. "Studies of the Stone Age in Prewar Korea" Yu Mi-na. "The KyOnghagwOn in Colonial Korea: A Confucianizing Institutioin and the Restructuring of Religious Ideology" Xu Chun-hua. "The Issue of Koreans' Nationality in Kando before the Manchurian Incident" Hong Chong-uk. "The Ideological Searches of Colonial Koreans in the 1930's, Focusing on Kim MyOng-sik and 'Conversion'" Ken Robinson --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:35:11 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] TSD and MDK again Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I read "Korean or American or Korean-American or ??, at #38 it looks like he is senior, period. Even whether active or inactive. ??? What year does #38 take us back to? " MC Reply Kang Uk Lee's bibliography (and self bio) lists himself as Dan # 70 awarded in 1952. So #38 is between 1947 and 1952. Now to stir the pot, depends on if you clarify the way I do, or generalize the way others do. FWIW, I place Kim, Shin and others in X-Kwan Not MDK. I basically agree with Master Cox. If you take Kwan to mean a house in the same way last name and Ha are added to the end of Jap system names, then Hwang Kee KJN is the Do Ju of the Moo Duk Kwan and Hwang, H.C. is the Sa Ja Nim and that is their house (Kwan)......BUT, they are not the founders of Tang Soo Do (and actually no longer practice Tang Soo Do). I would guess Kim, Jae Jhoon is the most senior active/living Tang Soo Do Player, and Lee, Kang Uk a close second. Of course looking at senior active Tang Su Do players would have to include Song Duk So, Rhee, Jhoon Gu and Ed Sell..... YIJD MC --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:52:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Gm KIM Jae-joon Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net fwiw, I noticed that Gm Jae-Joon Kim's son has a website at: http://www.kimskarateacademy.com He mentions that they test under his father and his World Moo Duk Kwan Tang Soo Do Federation. The link to JJ Kim's WMDKTSDF is given as: http://208.165.64.178/wmdktsdf.htm but it appears to be down. I was hoping it would give the year JJ Kim earned his BB since the son's website didn't list it. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "joseph lumpkin" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 19:53:16 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] standards of Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have been waiting to comment on the issue of the establishment of a standard for Hapkido. First of all, I believe this is a good idea in concept, yet it lends itself to several explosive issues. I know that our little group is not known to be a completely "standard Hapkido". We follow more of a "YooSool" type of art, but this proves the point I wish to make. The first assumption I read in this thread was that we could agree on what Hapkido is. That may not be totally true. In the earlier days, as the art was beginning, there were not as many kicks as some Hapkido styles have now. The TKD style kicks were brought in early but were not in from the very start. Indeed, Hapkido was a more savage AikiJutsu type style before. The Hapkido I saw during the early 70s is not the Hapkido begin taught in many schools of today. Kicks in those days were mostly low to knees, ankle, groin, although a few kicks went higher (Axe, cresent, round...). There were several straight legged kicks taught that I do not see much anymore. The point is this; There seems to be not just one standard of Hapkido but at least 3. You have the almost minimalist YooSool type, the more robust Ji type which has more kicks, and the more American Han type with fewer wrist techniques and TKD kicks than the others. I am sure we can name other limbs of the tree that seem different enough that there could be discussion as to if it really is Hapkido. All of this eventually comes down to personal opinion. This brings me to my final point. If there is to be a standard format it has to be done through common techniques all styles have at certain levels, otherwise it is just one mans opinion as to what he wants Hapkido to be. At any belt level there may not be much left to work with. Han's Hapkido, according to his white - Black belt tapes shows very few wrist techniques, bars, and projections for the entire system, but it has many TKD looking kicks. Some styles have evolved by adding ground fighting techniques. Some keep the almost Japanese flovor from which HKD sprang in its Aiki days, some have very jerky movements, some flow, some barely kick, some hardly throw, and some have selected to go to a more TKD system by dropping all but the basic grab defenses and adding kata. It is a subjective call to draw a line and say this is or is not Hapkido. If one man or some small group is allowed to define what is Hapkido then we have established the Hapkido police which will in short order become the Hapkido Nazis. I must agree with the gent who stated that this is an art and an art flows, grows, and changes. It is alive until defined (not to sound too much like Lee). Once defined it is contained, root bond, and dies. The concept is good until the outcome is examined. We may be building our own trap. Certainly, we are welcoming our own divisive fragmentation. I fear we would be inviting just another KHF to be formed by this action. I thought we were in the midst of congratulating ourselves for awakening to the ridiculousness of meaningless judgment by corrupt or prejudiced control. Why would we invite the reinvention of the same? Instead, let us encourage ourselves, our students, and our brothers to share, learn, train, and excel. In time this will form a selfless standard of a higher quality that is self regulating and self motivating. It divests power and thus protects us from what came before. The power and standard are always between student and teacher. Yours in Idealism and the art; Joseph Lumpkin Fifth Estate Book Publishers www.fifth-estate.net www.booksforsale.info --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest