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Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1800 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. TSDMDK (George Peters) 2. Re: Sword cutting (Klaas Barends) 3. Re: Names and numbers (Bruce Sims) 4. Re: Hapkido discrepancy (Bruce Sims) 5. Re: WTF reform (Robert Martin) 6. MA Rags (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 7. Belated Thank You (Lawren Hasten) 8. Re: Re: Names and numbers (Ray Terry) 9. RE: 'popular' MA rags cannot be trusted (CStovall@nucorar.com) 10. Re: sword cutting (ABurrese@aol.com) 11. Re: TSDMDK (Ray Terry) 12. Re: sword cutting (ABurrese@aol.com) 13. Re: wtf reform (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 14. WTF Questionnaire (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 01:20:37 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] TSDMDK Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Terry, Master Cox, et al; I also describe the art the org I am a member of does as TSDMDK. This specifies the type of TSD we do. This means a lot when speaking to someone with knowledge, although the masses may never know or care. The org I am a member of designates a Master, or Sa Bum Nim as one who is 4th dan or over. Kyo Sa requirements are much the same as Master Cox has stated for SBDMDK. It takes 4 to 5 years to Cho dan, then two more years to E dan, then if you have studied teaching under a Sa Bum Nim,(I taught for 4 1/2 years in training) one may be recommended to test for Kyo Sa. Kyo Sa testing, like Dan testing is only done by GM C.S.Kim. I was looking on Amazon for a book and happened across one by Len Losik. The review given by a reader said it was all non documented material available on the internet and that he would return said book and demand his/her money back. Wow! Is this person that ill considered? Just wondering as I have seen more than one advertisment for materials by him. I liked Master Terry's observation on MA magazines. Respectfully, George --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Klaas Barends Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:15:09 +0900 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Sword cutting Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > David Wheeler wrote: > "What experiences has anyone out there had with sword cutting > training?" > > My reply is: > As a student of Haidong Gumdo, I have had the pleasure of practicing > cutting with a > variety of media: broad sheets of paper, bamboo, bundles of rice > stalks, tatami mats, > saplings, and rubber poles designed to simulate bamboo. > What kind of experiences were you interested in hearing about? The cutting of the tatami mats was intentional...???? :-) Maybe just as intentional as the holes in the ceiling of our gym and the holes in the mat. As long as you don't intentionally (or unintentionally) cut somebody else....... -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ http://www.sangmookwan.com/ --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 05:42:55 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Sims To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Names and numbers Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey, I could be completely off-base with this project. Maybe, quite simply, people don't WANT a common nomenclature. I'm not sure what the benefit would be to NOT having a common language but who am I to foist an idea on people who aren't interested? My thought was that there is a lot of chaos in the Hapkido community, and having a common set of terms to identify what we do and how we do seems like a step towards reducing some of the idea of everyone being so very different from everybody else. I know one hot-button seems to be the "political" one. Each time I bring up the subject someone is sure to mention that they don't want to be under another persons' authority. No matter how many times I say that the idea of politics doesn't play into this the same ugly theme comes up over and over. Still, I think that there is evidence on a daily basis that we need a common language of our own. I still get letters and read posts that when it comes down to identifying a wrist lock or throw people fall back on Japanese terms (IE. "San-kyo", "Ippon Seonage"). And how come we don't have English/Korean interchangeable terms for concepts like "off-balancing", "timing" and "focus". I tried to ask a high ranking Hapkiyusool person a question about the interchangeability of a biomechanic between empty-hand and weapons application and got nowhere. Now when any other group of people get together they have their own "jargon" by which they share information. Maybe Hapkido people aren't into sharing. Maybe the intellectual demands of formulating a common language just takes too much energy. Maybe theres no money in it. I don't know. Seems like a good idea, and I am continuing the project and posting results on my website. Right now the challenge is to find the most common terms to identify basic techniques that are user friendly for both Korean and English practitioners. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 05:50:16 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Sims To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hapkido discrepancy Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I raised this issue some time back and it didn't go much of anywhere but I thought I would bring it up for another shot. A number of practitioners in the Hapkido arts state that they practice what Choi Yong Sul taught them. Choi Yong Sul is supposed to have reported that he taught what Takeda taught HIM. A number of DRAJJ people report that they teach what Takeda taught THEM. Given the odd kick, there are a handful of kicks common to the Hapkido arts across the board. In DRAJJ there are, maybe one or two kicks practices so that the counters to these kicks can be studied. Now if everybody teaches and practices what they were taught, why is there such a wide discrepancy between kicking material of non-Ji and non-Kim traditions versus their modern counterparts in the Japanese DRAJJ community. Thoughts? Comments? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 06:02:14 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Martin To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: WTF reform Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > WTF Launches Reform Committee > > By Cho Jin-seo > Staff Reporter > The Korea Times > > The World Taekwondo Federation (WTF) has launched a > reform committee to make > the Korean-originated martial art more interesting > and action-packed, the > organization announced on Tuesday. > Join one of the ITF groups! Robert Martin Not really meaning to be offensive! --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:27:59 -0600 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] MA Rags Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I stopped buying them years ago when Black Belt featured 2 articles, maybe in the same month, one included practicing cutting with your sword by laying the chicken you bought for dinner on your cutting board and hacking it into pieces before cooking. This article had pictures. A second article on improvised weapons advised ripping the steel whip radio antenna off the nearest car to use as a weapon if you were attacked on the streets. I have read lots of complaints from people who sent in good articles about the editing. Danny Dunn --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 06:46:15 -0800 (PST) From: Lawren Hasten To: The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Belated Thank You Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net A belated thank you to those of you who extended their congratulations for my promotion. A special thank you to Joan and Lloyd for all of your help and GM Hodder for his patient instruction and thorough testing. Lawren Hasten --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Names and numbers To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 07:43:50 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Now when any other group of people get together they > have their own "jargon" by which they share information. Not necessarily the case. Take Arnis/Kali/Eskrima/Escrima as another example. The arts are fairly similar and share a common heritage, yet they cannot even agree on what to call the art, much less -one- system of numbering for the angles or for names of the techniques. Each one is different, yet the end result (a proficient stike/knife fighter) is pretty much the same. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: CStovall@nucorar.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:45:24 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: 'popular' MA rags cannot be trusted Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The thing you have to remember about MA magazines is that 90% of the articles fall into two camps. The first camp is "filler material" to basically fill in the cracks between the advertisements. These are the typical '3 Low Kicks to Put Your Attacker Down for Good' or some such technical "study". The other camp of articles are personality profiles that usually just serve to promote the particular personality rather than shed light on MA history or state of affairs. Curtis Wong's mags are the cagiest at this one...they always run a big cover story on some personality COINCIDENTALLY in the same month that said personality's new video series goes on sale from Unique Publications. In between those you find some good stuff from time-to-time, but they are rare. Honestly, MA mags are no different than most mags. They are there to take your money...NOT to inform. The muscle mags are the worst...they're basically shills for the supplement companies, and fill in the pages by providing the same crappy bench routine they were pushing two years ago (just under a different name). Don't get me started on women's style magazines...oy vey!!! Evidently, there are a lot of women out there that like to look at a 325 page magazine that consists of 300 pages of ads and 15 perfume samples. Personally, I think 'TKDTimes' is the worst of the bunch. I think their editors are allergic to facts. The worst one of all time was that rag that Michael DiPasquale used to publish. 'Karate International' or something like that. Good Lord...that thing was terrible. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by email or telephone. You are instructed to destroy any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of this communication if you are not the intended recipient. Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:56:18 -0500 From: ABurrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: sword cutting Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >>What experiences has anyone out there had with sword >>cutting training? >> >> >>David Wheeler >>KSW I have a little David. I have done a little training with Russell McCartney, who holds the world record for consecutive cuts. There is a group here in Missoula that practices and go out to see him in Seattle and he comes here to Missoula. I do not train with them regulary because of other obligations, but have joined them Soshin McCarney was here. I have interviewed him and have an article at Black Belt right now, but we have to redo the pics. (Black Belt likes the article, but pics need to be done over) What were you interested in? Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] TSDMDK To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:08:05 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I was looking on Amazon for a book and happened across one by Len > Losik. The review given by a reader said it was all non documented material > available on the internet and that he would return said book and demand > his/her money back. Wow! Is this person that ill considered? Just wondering > as I have seen more than one advertisment for materials by him. You lost me on the above. "it was all non documented material"? Did they mean info readily available on the Internet? Seems like unless one is obtaining first-hand oral history, all info {correct or incorrect) is documented somewhere. ??? Len is, or was, a subscriber here. Len, you still around? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 11:42:51 -0500 From: ABurrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: sword cutting Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Here is a web site for Ishi Yama Ryu, Russell McCartney's style of sword cutting. When we can get the pictures redone, Black Belt will have a good article. :-) Thanks Ray for pointing out that some articles in BB are not all that bad. http://www.ishiyamaryu.com/index.html Yours in Training, Alain Burrese www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 13 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:24:42 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: wtf reform Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net actually, folks, the wtf has a questionairre out on the website. you can catch the link to it at _www.wtf.org_ (http://www.wtf.org) they wanna know what we think needs to change or stay the same. so tell 'em... take care, melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy _www.cjmaa.com_ (http://www.cjmaa.com/) 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply _www.cjmas.com_ (http://www.cjmas.com/) 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- Message: 14 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:07:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] WTF Questionnaire Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net WTF Questionnaire... Dear visitors to the WTF Web site from around the world, Under new leadership, the World Taekwondo Federation is pushing for across-the-board reforms to transform itself into a more global, professional, and efficient organization. The WTF is also striving to make Taekwondo a more interesting and action-packed sport. We are eager for all visitors to the WTF's English Web site - both Taekwondo practitioners or not - to take some time to fill out the following questionnaire, which will be of great help for the development of taekwondo. We would like you to send a completed questionnaire to us by Dec. 5, through the following e-mail addresses: wtfreform@yahoo.co.kr -or- wtfreform@hotmail.com The future of Taekwondo will depend on your sincere and thorough responses to this survey. Warmest regards, WTF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Web site Questionnaire: Issues Regarding Taekwondo Competition Format The purpose of this issue is to collect opinions to evaluate the current competition format and to develop a new system that makes Taekwondo a more attractive sport to the public. How would you rate the interest level in the current Taekwondo competition? ___ Very boring ___ Slightly interesting ___ Somewhat interesting ___ Exciting Give us some ideas for improving the pace of Taekwondo competition so that it appears as a more dynamic and exciting sport. Do you think the length of a Taekwondo contest should be changed? If so, to what duration? Should any procedures in the contest be changed? If so, which one(s) and in what way(s)? Both men and women now wear the same style of uniform. Should different uniforms for each gender be introduced? Currently all WTF-sanctioned uniforms must be white. Provide your opinion on the introduction of colored uniforms. Do you think the current weight categories are good or should they be changed? If so, how? Provide your opinion on the current positions of athletes, coaches, and officials in competition. Do you think any of the existing penalties need to be changed? If so, why? Currently, there are three judges at WTF events. What do you think is the ideal number of judges for a Taekwondo competition? What is your overall opinion on current safety measures in place for athletes? In addition, do you think a point ceiling and point difference should be introduced for safety reasons? Do you think the existing protectors need to be changed? If so, in what way(s)? Do the permitted techniques and permitted areas of body contact need to be changed in any way? If you think so, please be specific. Do you think an electronic protector should be introduced to competition play? Does the existing valid point system need to be changed? Are any changes needed in the current "decision of superiority" rules? If so, provide us with your comments. If you have any other recommendations, ideas, or suggestions that you believe will contribute to the development of Taekwondo, please write them here. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest