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Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1800 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Learning Control (Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy) 2. NY Schools (Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy) 3. Chambering (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 4. Re: chambering (Neil Burton) 5. Chambering Kicks (michael tomlinson) 6. Re: Location (Bruce Sims) 7. Re: Christian Bulow?? (Bruce Sims) 8. taekwondo could be under Olympic attack (Ray Terry) 9. Re: chambering (Ray Terry) 10. UMA awards (CKCtaekwon@cs.com) 11. Schools in Truckee, CA (johnd_wallace@comcast.net) 12. RE: Detroit Area Hapkido (V. Popofski) 13. Re: Foot Pain (Chris LaCava) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 00:06:37 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Learning Control Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am interesting in learning how some of you out there teach your students control. I am speaking more of technique control during free sparring. Some instructors say that if you teach your students to control their techniques so that their partner will not get hurt during sparring they will pull their techniques when it comes to using them for real. I am not one of those believers. I feel that students should be able to go all out with each other and both walk away uninjured. And when it comes down to the time to use them for actual self defense there will be NO pulling back. But what if you have that one student, or two, that seem to have trouble controlling their techniques? They can't pull them in time right before contact? Any interesting suggestions out there? Thanks James Morgan GTKDA --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 00:11:48 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] NY Schools Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have a student traveling to Woodstock, NY next week to visit family. She is looking for a Tae Kwon Do or Hapkido dojang to work out at while there. I am not familiar with the area but she mentions places like Hudson Valley, Red Hook, and Poughkeepsie as well. We practice Chung Do Kwan and do the Chang Hon patterns. But, I think it would be good for her to experience other styles/systems as well in order to see the differences. Thank you for any suggestions. James Morgan GTKDA --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 14:26:43 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Chambering Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Terry; Having not trained during the 1940's I can only say that from what I have been told about the chambering of the Moo Duk Kwan during that time is that it was unique. It was distinctly different from the other Kwans. It is my understanding the others had more of a Japanese flavor. I believe that what we practice in SBD today is much the same in concept just more refined. JC --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 00:06:30 -0800 (PST) From: Neil Burton Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] chambering To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ok - I am curious. My previous instructor taught that knee forward chambering was a very "WTF" way of kicking, whereas side chambering was ITF. To be honest - whatever works best for the martial artist. But, whenever I try forward chambering I can never get a high turning kick - as I rotate into the kick (twisting my hip) my leg drops ton around groin level. I tend to start with my knee aimed high, as if for a high front snap kick. I wonder if I am doing something wrong. Has anyone got a step by step description of the kick? Taekwon Neil --- Master Mac wrote: > Hey Ray, > > < knee forward chamber > in the mid/late 1960s. I recall that I first saw it > (or recognized it) > and began to use it in 1984. ... Thoughts from > others? I'm just > interested in where this may have first > originated.>> > > In the late '70s my instructor showed me chambering > all kicks from a > knee forward chamber. It was more of an option or > alternitive method, > not 'the' method - just another way. We worked on > several ways to > kick. I just can't remember where/how he said he > learned it or where > it came from. > > I remember working on it with my little brother. I > asked him to try > and block my kicks (he wasn't a martial artist but > he knew the > different kicks) and it was always just a guess for > him to what I was > throwing at him, as they all came up like a front > kick and he couldn't > tell - so it worked very well. > > My instructor at the time had such a mixed and > varied background in > Korean and Japanese arts that there's no telling > where he got it from. > > Mac > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1800 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 13:30:56 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Chambering Kicks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My second martial arts instructor was Y.J. Chung of Dayton Ohio... in 1969-71 I studied with him, at that time he was a 5th dan in Hapkido, Moo Duk Kwan Tang Soo Do, and Judo--not yudo... ALL the kicks he taught us were done with the knee forward chambering... I really didn't see anyone do the flaired out knee kicking until the 1980's and IMHO this is a variation that occured because of point sparring.... in the early days if you kicked with your knee flaired out it was very easy to enter on someone and throw them...etc... you have to realize that in Hapkido when you first chamber your kick you are vulnerable to an entering attack... so the knee front chamber was not only for deception and speed with your kicks but was also a very convenient way of also protecting yourself while going into your kick.... in Sin Moo Hapkido we have a thrusting knee technique that is basically a chambered side kick that has gone awry and then you thrust your knee out to catch the entering opponent right in the ribs.... works good.. Michael Tomlinson --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 05:46:08 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Sims To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Location Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am still wondering about the reluctance of people to use some location option other than a stand-alone school for teaching. Maybe its just me but there seems to be some theme that a stand-alone school is somehow better, or "more successful" than classes taught in a location shared with another activity such as a dance school, gymnastics school, Park district, etc. I wouldn't make a huge thing out of this except that I wonder if this isn't a matter of sabotaging ones' own efforts as a function of Ego. Certainly it must be intoxicating to see a school sign up in lights, but I wonder how many schools fail for wanting to project too large an image rather than work up to such a position. Seems like most successful schools I am familiar with started very small and grew slowly. Are we likewise dealing with a matter of impatience? Thoughts? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 06:29:06 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Sims To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Christian Bulow?? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Did anyone else get an e-mailing from one "Christian Bulow" regarding a German book on Hapkido? never heard of this guy. Is the name familiar to anyone else? Comments? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:52:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] taekwondo could be under Olympic attack Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Look out - taekwondo could be under Olympic attack JoongAng Daily A toothless, hollow smile: That's a good description of taekwondo's status today. The Korean martial art was introduced as a demonstration sport in the 1988 Seoul Olympics, and has been an official sport since the 2000 Sydney games. Everything might seem to be in order for taekwondo, and many Koreans take it for granted that things will continue to go smoothly. But though taekwondo will still be an official Olympic sport for the 2008 Beijing games, what will happen after that is anybody's guess. There are only two martial arts in the Olympics: judo and taekwondo. It's safe to say that judo, an Olympic sport since 1964, has cemented its position in the Olympics, but taekwondo's reputation has been tainted by several judging controversies in which South Korean athletes seemed to be favored. Jacques Rogge, the IOC president, has said that he would like to keep the number of Olympic sports at the current 28. That would mean that for any new sport selected for the Olympics, one would be bumped off the list. It has been quite a while since a sport got booted - it last happened to polo, in 1936 - but within the taekwondo community, the worries are getting more intense. Taekwondo officials recently gathered for an unofficial meeting to discuss the future of the sport. What might have seemed unthinkable a couple of years ago has now become a possibility in the minds of these senior officials. A couple of good suggestions have been put on the table. To bring more life into the sport and make it more interesting for the spectators, some changes in the point allotments for certain techniques are being considered. As of the Athens Games this summer, a successful kick to an opponent's head means the athlete gets two points; if the kick knocks the opponent down, the athlete gets an additional point, for a maximum of three. Kicks to other allowed areas of the body score one point each. Punching has been almost nonexistent. Taekwondo experts like Lee Jong-woo argue that the point spread for the different skills used needs to be wider in order to spark more exciting moves by the athletes. But above all, Lee stresses the need for the introduction of electronic gear, to ensure fair competition. Well, 2012 may look far away, but the decision as to which sports will remain in the Olympics will be made soon enough. Establishing a clean image for taekwondo should be priority number one for federation officials, but I don't think that message has gotten out yet. A person I promised not to name, who works for the only company in Korea that has developed electronic gear, told me repeatedly that his company is ready to ship the equipment if permission is given. Permission from whom? "We have developed the gear with the help of the Korea Taekwondo Association. They are our sponsors, but as far as making the gear available worldwide, I haven't heard anything," he said. Any sincere attempts to give taekwondo a chance should start now. Otherwise, China's chance of getting wushu into the Olympic Games at the expense of taekwondo are looking better. If that happens, we can only blame ourselves. by Brian Lee --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] chambering To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:05:05 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Ok - I am curious. My previous instructor taught that > knee forward chambering was a very "WTF" way of > kicking, whereas side chambering was ITF. ITF seems to have remained closer to the Korean karate styles of the 1950s and 60s so I guess that is not too surprising. I too thought forward chambering was very WTF since I never saw my Hwang Kee lineage instructors use it (even tho one of them was 2 time silver medalist in the Korean Nationals in the 60s). And the Hapkido background of my instructors, prior to Gm Ji, was rather suspect. The side chamber seems to generate more power. The front chamber more speed. I wonder out loud if the JiDo Kwan instructors that so greatly influenced TKD sparring in the 60s popularized the front chamber. Not so much that they -invented- it, perhaps they borrowed it from Hapkido or ?? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 12:52:23 EST To: ollie_0201@yahoo.com Subject: [The_Dojang] UMA awards Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sat. night was the UMA Awards for the tournament competition we competed in this past year. Our team did very well all year long and won numerous awards Sat. night. I'll repoer on who won what as soon as I hear back from the team members. so team members: Send me your awards results asap. Mr. Pieratt --__--__-- Message: 11 From: johnd_wallace@comcast.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 19:37:10 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Schools in Truckee, CA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello DD members: My 10yr-old niece, who lives in Truckee, CA (near Lake Tahoe) is interested in taking up martial arts. A survey of phone book entries came up with several possibilities, including Universal Tae Kwon Do under Lou Grasso. I recall somewhere that Mr. Ernie Reyes, of local SFO Bay Area repute, was associated with Mr Grasso. Does anyone have raves/pans/experience regarding UTKD, or any other Tahoe area organizations? --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "V. Popofski" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 15:28:42 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Detroit Area Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Someone asked for hapkido schools in the Detroit area. Listed below are two that I know of, the first one I can recommend from experience with the school owner, the second has been around for a long time, however, I have never trained there or visited the school. Whatever your moving student does, tell him to stay away from Marshall Gagne's Hapkido school in Taylor, MI. Classes and the school for that matter, are run mostly by other students and fresh, inexperienced black belts. Not to mention the fact that he makes you sign a noncompete agreement if you train there that prevents you from teaching ANY martial art for 10 years after you leave his association. I should know - I was an instructor for him for 20 years until he fired me because I would not sign this agreement. Good luck to your student. Mid Michigan Hapkido Academy II (734) 285-2798 1319 Eureka Rd Wyandotte, MI 48192 http://www.michigan-hapkido.com/ Michigan Hapkido Dojang 16849 Warren Avenue Detroit, MI 48228 USA --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Chris LaCava" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 16:39:03 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Foot Pain Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net George P. <> You can try acupuncture, especially someone with an "Acupuncture Physical Medicine" (APM) Style background. This is a style that uses classical Chinese style acupuncture along side the work of Dr. Janet Travell, M.D., the doctor known for identifying "Myofascial Trigger Points." Many styles of acupuncture can help, but I say this only because this has been one style that I have used personally with good results for issues of plantar fasciitis, heel spurs and achilles tendonitis. Please see... http://www.locateadoc.com/folio.cfm/Action/Recommended/sid/29/id/2324 If you have any questions or I can help you find someone, please feel free to e-mail me at... CTAcupuncture@hotmail.com Take care George. Chris "from CT" LaCava's Martial Arts Westport, CT. http://lmaa.bravepages.com Online Store- http://www.cafepress.com/hapkidogear --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest