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Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1800 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Degree requirements for AA/BA martial arts (Tkdsid@aol.com) 2. RE: high kicks and the splits (Howard Spivey) 3. Welcome (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 4. Re: Welcome (Jay O'Connor) 5. RE: HDGD thrusts for Bonguk Gumbub (A. Boyd) 6. Lee, Beom Joo (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 7. Red Belt (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 8. Re: Names and Numbers........ (Bruce Sims) 9. Re: Red Belt (Ray Terry) 10. Belt Colors & Rank Recognition (Thomas Gordon) 11. Re: Dodge? (Bruce Sims) 12. Re: Re: Names and Numbers........ (Ray Terry) 13. Re: Re: Dodge? (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Tkdsid@aol.com Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:09:56 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Degree requirements for AA/BA martial arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Bob, See University of Bridgeport...they have a BA in martial arts Sid Rubinfeld --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Howard Spivey" To: Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:24:55 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: high kicks and the splits Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net hi eric, based on my own experience, i'd say that those loads of people are right. in the 5 or so years i spent in ji do kwan, the best kickers i ever saw and sparred against were 3 guys, none of whom could do a side split. but they could kick higher and with more power than all of the guys i knew and trained with who could do a full split. stretching with the goal of doing the splits may not even be of much help to your kicking ability, if you're relying entirely on passive stretching. if you're using isometric or pnf stretching, you will be developing strength together with flexibility, but if you really want to improve your high kicks, i'd recommend practicing high kicking (and dynamic stretching exercises whose movements resemble those of high kicks). have you checked out "stretching scientifically" by tom kurz? it's a great investment. he gives loads of good tips on achieving the splits. check www.stadion.com for several free articles on this subject. good luck, howard "Now i know loads of people say,"You don't necessarily need to be able to do the splits to be able to kick high", and i know that you need active stretching to do that but i also feel if i could do the splits i could achieve this much quicker and easier. I've read Brad Appleton's "Stretching and Flexibility" and found it alot of help but the stretches he gave on "Working toward the splits" were in my opinion not very good(though some were excellent).I'm hoping someone can provide me with information on how to do the splits..." --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:49:32 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Welcome Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I would like to say welcome to Jay. Its always good to have another Martial Artist here. JC --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:20:40 -0700 From: "Jay O'Connor" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Welcome Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Gladewater SooBahkDo wrote: > I would like to say welcome to Jay. Its always good to have another Martial > Artist here. Well, more like a Martial Finger Painter at this point, but I'm learning :) Thanks Take care, Jay --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:33:41 -0500 (EST) From: "A. Boyd" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: HDGD thrusts for Bonguk Gumbub Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce, my replies seem to be slow in appearing in the Digest so take my post in the last issue (535) with a grain of salt. You responded between my writing my last post and my reading of your last post to me. So moving on,"let's look at what you asked" about thrusts. Bruce asked: How does Haidong Gumdo approach thrusting in Bonguk Gumbub? My reply: This topic could be our version of the "Which part of the foot do *you* kick with?" thread. I suspect that given your interest in exploring the historical Bonguk Gumbub, you would be better off asking a practitioner of the Muye 24 Ban (Kyong Dang) than a Haidong Gumdo-in, however, this is a good topic so I will try to give you an interesting answer. Didn't we discuss this, or start to, when you were in Seoul? I can't remember. Regardless, I can only give a partial reply because at this point in my progress I have not yet finished all 7 forms in the Haidong Gumdo Bonguk Gumbub series - two more to go. Something might pop up in those last two forms that will surprise me, but Overall in the art, we avoid needless grip changes. Palm heels are kept securely in place except for a few techniques. When thrusts are performed with the blade edge up or to the side, this is done with palm heels in place on the back of the handle. Rotating the sword in the hands so that the blade edge faces up is not done [so far at least, in the 27 forms I have been taught]. This being the case, we don't have to have special terminology to deal with grip changes in thrusts. All we need to specify is a plane of attack (high for example). If I am to execute a thrust in my high line while I am in a low stance, if I want to hit anything, I must use a blade up thrust. There is only one way to do that so again, no need for special terminology. Nice, huh? If the thrusts in BGGB are indeed edge up - and I haven't taken the time to really go over the form to check my suspicions that they aren't - then the cue that has been taken by the framers of the art is "don't do this." As we are not a historical recreation art, there's no problem there. Okay then, your turn. Let's hear your thoughts on thrusting. Is this going to involve a lot of animal terms like White Ape leaps deftly over a Goose in Flight while waggling the finger of the Sage at the Crouching Dragon? ===== Anthony Boyd: Swordsman and English Teacher www.stormpages.com/haidonggumdo ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:58:14 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Lee, Beom Joo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I just got off the phone with Master Lee, Beom Joo. He is in Korea and is a former student of Hwang Kee Kwan Jang Nim. He began training in 1960 and left the US Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan in 1980. We had a very interesting discussion about history. Does anyone here know anything about him or has anyone here traned with or under him JC --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:09:11 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Red Belt Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The Red belt in Tang Soo Do/ Soo Bahk Do was used by Hwang Kee Kwan Jang Nim to represent the season of summer, and the ripening of fruit. Not to poke at the Japanese. Many styles use different belt rank systems, and some have significant meaning while others just seem to be a commercial tool. You have to research to fine the truth for each style. JC --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:22:45 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Sims To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Names and Numbers........ Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Jeremy: "......Pretend I'm stupid and explain it to me. How would such a universal terminology be better? *If* *everyone* adopted it, then I could certainly see benefits. But realistically, I don't see a way of getting there from here. Are there any benefits for creating another set of non-universal terminology?....." Here are three ways that a universal terminology would make things better. 1.) A universal terminology would allow people to discuss in-depth properties and execution of Hapkido material without taking time to demonstrate or define their terms first. 2.) A universal terminology would emphasize the similarities among what we do and why we do it rather than allow us to continue to emphasize our differences. 3.) A universal terminology would make it easier for people whose primary KMA is not Hapkido to understand what we do and why we do it. 4.) A universal terminology would encourage people to learn a common language, speak a common language and accept a bonding not necessarily in evidence at this time. Here are four benefits to having a universal language. It took me less than a minute to write them. But after reading these, if you still don't see the worth in these efforts, still need convincing, or still are pre-disposed to view these efforts as certain of failure I guess my question to you is--- Give me four reasons why you are reluctant or resistant to giving such an effort your unqualified support and assistance. Thoughts? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Red Belt To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:27:54 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > The Red belt in Tang Soo Do/ Soo Bahk Do was used by Hwang Kee Kwan Jang Nim > to represent the season of summer, and the ripening of fruit. Not to poke at > the Japanese. I also understand that he used to say that the red belt represented danger, in that the student now knew just enough to be dangerous to him/herself and others. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:28:46 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Belt Colors & Rank Recognition Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have been quietly reading these posts with great interest. I would like to share some thoughts. Rank is such a touchy subject. I hear about kids in martial arts and I can almost hear the thumping of an instructor's chest as they proudly state THEY would never allow a child into the martial arts. Oddly, I read that James Mitose was four or five when he started. Heck, I don't even start children that young (as of yet.) I read from posts on this list about being too young and not enough time to mature in their rank before being promoted to the next dahn/dan ranking. One of Kano's senior students only 19-20 when he joined Kano. Seems he had previous experience and got his first degree in less than six months and had "achieved" his fourth degree in 2- 3 years from the time he began training with Kano. It's not hard to understand why Kano had many younger martial artists since he was only 22ish when he started the Judo system. Another "youngin" is one of Kuk Sool grandmasters In Joo Suh who was 11 when he earned his black belt. http://www.kuksoolwon.com/kuksool04.html The colors of belts is intriguing. I trained under a tenth degree Ju-Jitsu soke for about 18 months and he wore a purple belt with a red insert. One of his instructors openly critized me for my affilitation with a system that had purple and red belts in the gup line-up. Heck, as if I could help what an international organization does. LOL! The Japanese arts take issue with the red & purple. We are a KMA based system and purple and red have no significance to most KMA stylist other than a color belt. Just like a black color means instructor to some schools and means black belt in another. That's just how it is. Some say a white insert on a black belt means master level. For us, it means poome ranking. Personally, I wouldn't promote a five year old to black belt but many do. As I stated above, we currently won't even start a child unless they are six. A few links for your review. http://ksdi.net/bblist.htm http://www.ataonline.com/the_ring/standings/tourcurr.asp?vb=B23A&vf= The last one is for 1-7 year olds who are 2nd-3rd degree black belt. If you notice, there is one person in the division so far and they appear to be the "World Champion" by default. Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:45:20 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Sims To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Dodge? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Ray: ".....We are now starting to see the problem, Bruce. You don't actually read the posts. You simply write something, anything, that strikes your fancy without caring how it will be viewed by others or how it fits into the discussion. If you had read your own post you would have seen your rants and raves in issue 534 which I simply deleted in my response in issue 535 so as to save others the bandwidth of having to reread it. !!! So yes, please, go over to those 'other nets' if you must continue to needlessly attack, rant and rave....." Whatever. If after a few years of expressing myself here on the DD, if that is all the more understanding of what you believe me to be about the loss is entirely yours, not mine. Bruce --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Names and Numbers........ To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:57:03 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Give me four reasons why you are reluctant or > resistant to giving such an effort your unqualified > support and assistance. > > Thoughts? Yes. Take it offline from this point forward. Thx. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Dodge? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:02:26 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Whatever. If after a few years of expressing myself > here on the DD, if that is all the more understanding > of what you believe me to be about the loss is > entirely yours, not mine. Bruce, 20% or 25% of the posts you make are excellent. The rest clearly fall into the rant and rave category. I suggest you try to reverse that ratio. Now we should take this thread offline as well. Thx. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest