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Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1800 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Welcome (Rudy Timmerman) 2. Red Belt (Denise) 3. New Members (Sharon Tkach) 4. Re: pink belt (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 5. Re: sunny southern canada (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 6. RE: South (off topic and having more fun) (J R Hilland) 7. Re: moose and training knives (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 8. Re: Hi (Introduction) (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 9. Re:hi (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 10. Jay O'Conner (George Peters) 11. Wool seems to be in the eye of the beholder..... (J R Hilland) 12. KHF training in Korea (Nickolay Tchernolutsky) 13. Re: MYTBTJ: Sword Thrusts (Bruce Sims) 14. Re: Foot Pain (Jye nigma) 15. re: Steven (Bert Edens) 16. Forms / Explanations / DVD (Bareli, Sol) 17. BECOME A BLACK BELT FROM HOME (Master Mac) 18. Re: Forms / Explanations / DVD (Ray Terry) 19. Re: Red Belt (J R Hilland) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:31:13 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Welcome Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Welcome to the DD Jay and Steve. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Denise" To: Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:53:45 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Red Belt Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Cox said: > The Red belt in Tang Soo Do/ Soo Bahk Do was used by Hwang Kee Kwan Jang Nim to represent the season of summer, and the ripening of fruit. Not to poke at the Japanese. Ray said: I also understand that he used to say that the red belt represented danger, in that the student now knew just enough to be dangerous to him/herself and others. My understanding is that it's reflective of the uhm/yang philosophy. The intensity, the yang of the red belt gives way to the serene confidence, the uhm of the Dan (midnight blue belt). Then, at the level of Sah Dan ("Master" in TSD/SBD) the red stripe through the blue represents the balance of the uhm/yang (relaxed intensity) in the wearer. Something like that. Denise --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Sharon Tkach" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:30:51 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] New Members Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Welcome, Jay and Steve, to the Dojang Digest. ~Sharon --__--__-- Message: 4 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 01:44:11 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: pink belt Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In the early days of my training, my instructor would joke with students by telling them that if they quit, they would automatically be awarded the rank of pink belt! ___________________ lol, jeff! i'm glad to hear we're not the only ones who threaten the pink belt :). students keep threatening to make one...i really wish they would. would love to have that hanging over in the corner :) take care, mel Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy _www.cjmaa.com_ (http://www.cjmaa.com/) 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply _www.cjmas.com_ (http://www.cjmas.com/) 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- Message: 5 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 01:49:22 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: sunny southern canada Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> Master Timmerman is way down there in the warm and tropical south part of Canada. :) _________________ riiiiiiiight....pull my other leg....it plays jingle bells ;) take care, mel Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy _www.cjmaa.com_ (http://www.cjmaa.com/) 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply _www.cjmas.com_ (http://www.cjmas.com/) 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:51:42 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: South (off topic and having more fun) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> Well my friend. I looked it up, and your latitude is 46 deg. 29 min. We are at 46 deg. 54 minutes. So you are only down in the sub-tropics :). Right now it is 1 deg F (-18 C) here so we are also having a warm time even though it is only fall. The wind-chill is around -13 F. BTW I finally saw the movie Fargo. We had to laugh as they showed the black top on the roads in the middle of winter during the movie. It was obviously not filmed in Fargo as in the winter you only see ice and snow on the roads, you can't even tell what lane you are in! I did buy a new snow shovel, used it one day last week and threw it in the storage shed and brought out my snow blower! BTW Anthony, you are Canadian, although you have been in Korea for a while. Miss all this snow? Jere R. Hilland - A Native Texan living in South Canada (aka ND)! www.rrhapkido.com I am asking Santa, once again, for a new pair of Teflon coated swivel hips for Christmas. HUMOR (tragically stolen from several good websites): Bruce here are some terms I would like to use: the names we can translate into Korean (I did a few):) "Hapkido" means "the path of spiritual harmony" except when it means "the way to unite one's inner energy" or when it means "the way of unity with the universal force;" unless you have a grandmother, in which case it means "the way of holding breath." Which is why we are drowning in arguments, sorry, philosophical discussions about the existence of "ki." The history of ukemi: A big fat bully was really tired. He saw a skinny little guy who looked like he had a lot of energy. He grunted "You carry me" as he went to climb aboard the hapless fellow's back. The skinny little guy executed a perfect forward roll. Being too focused on the predicament in which he had found himself he never did make exact sense of what the bully said, replying "ukemi, indeed!" as he walked away. And to this day we call our rolls and falls "ukemi" in his honor. For Randall: "Waikikai" Hawai'ian regional style, done on long boards. "E-I-E-aido" The Old Macdonald style; the art of live blade drawing and quartering - with livestock. How many hapkido students does it take to screw in a light bulb? chodan: Two. One to perform the technique, and the other to take the fall. idan: Three. Two to practice, and one to correct the mistake. samdan: One instructor to explain the decreasing circular motions needed to project the bulb into the socket, and one student to practice it thousands of times. sadan: One, but it takes a long time to try all the possible combinations and to deal with counter-techniques from the light bulb. ohdan: Eleven. One to change it and 10 to say "That's nice, but we do it differently at our dojang." --__--__-- Message: 7 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 01:57:07 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: moose and training knives Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net No problems getting it started, just took forever to dig out of the snow. Man, getting too old for this shoveling lol. BTW, it is Rudy:) Thanks for including me in your family too MC:) I am proud to be an uncle to Nico. Sincerely, Rudy __________________ i figure i'll lay down some respect for the training history unless a fella tells me otherwise. btw, he called you "elder" uncle rudy. youre gonna write him outta the will, right? i got some new training folders (knives) today. kind of excited to try them out. the others i got recently were from keen edge. nice webbing and shape, etc. but these folders will be interesting to try and only cost $5-$12 on ebay if anyone's interested. will let y'all know how they hold up. take care, mel Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy _www.cjmaa.com_ (http://www.cjmaa.com/) 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply _www.cjmas.com_ (http://www.cjmas.com/) 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- Message: 8 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 01:58:53 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hi (Introduction) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I joined the list to learn more about TKD itself and to learn more about the wider community than just my school. ______________________ welcome to the list, jay! look forward to hearing from you :) take care, melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy _www.cjmaa.com_ (http://www.cjmaa.com/) 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply _www.cjmas.com_ (http://www.cjmas.com/) 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- Message: 9 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 01:59:50 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re:hi Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi all, I am new to this. My name is Steve and I am a hapkido student. _______________________ welcome to you, too, steve. ray, are you doing marketing now or something? ;) take care, mel Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy _www.cjmaa.com_ (http://www.cjmaa.com/) 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply _www.cjmas.com_ (http://www.cjmas.com/) 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 02:09:15 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Jay O'Conner Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir, May I bid you welcome and extend wishes of a wonderful journey with your children! Respectfully, George Tang Soo! --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 01:25:40 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Wool seems to be in the eye of the beholder..... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> I don't see that traditional hapkidoin have a narrowly defined view (although I have admittedly little patients for modern hapkido blends or for those that never trained in a hapkido dojang), I see that they are simply following a tradition they spent many decades training in. Now they are teaching these traditions to their students who are putting in decades of training. They don't take exceptions to other view, in fact, they appear to be interested and open minded in the way other traditional hapkido practice. When I teach a hapkido seminar, very few have my traditional views on the theories of basic motion, 30 degree motion, etc. for example. But they are intrigued and want to learn them. My technique, terminology, method of teaching, etc. is not that of Master West's for example. What he has taught me (and it has been a lot) is added to what my other 3 hapkido teachers before him taught me. What I am is the sum of what I was taught and what I was gently lead to discover. I also generally find that hapkidoin are open minded and have a great sense of humor. Or am I missing your point here? --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:32:51 +0300 (MSK) From: "Nickolay Tchernolutsky" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] KHF training in Korea Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello everyone! Introductions first :) My name is Nickolay Tchernolutsky, I\'m 27 y/o, I live in St. Petersburg, Russia, and I\'ve been practising hapkido for 2 and a half years. I was wondering if the Korea Hapkido Federation (under Oh, Se-Lim) provided training programs for foreign students. I mean, training in Korea, not at an authorized dojang in another country. If they did, could anyone please email me with the contact details/any information about that? Thanks a lot! Hapki! --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:27:01 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Sims To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: MYTBTJ: Sword Thrusts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Anthony: "..... Okay then, your turn. Let's hear your thoughts on thrusting. Is this going to involve a lot of animal terms like White Ape leaps deftly over a Goose in Flight while waggling the finger of the Sage at the Crouching Dragon?..." Not at all. My interest is very simple and proceeds directly from the text of the Bon Kuk Gum Bup. What I am working on are the very basic instructions that are found in the text almost as after-thoughts. Typical of this would be a closing comment which might read ".....thrust once with left hand and leg" or ".....thrust once with right hand and leg". Though these instructions seem simple, consider the alternatives. 1.) Is a thrust delivered with the left leg when it is the leg stepping forward, or the leg that is behind that is providing the impetus for the thrust? 2.) If the thrust is with a single-hand sword a person could be forgiven for thinking that a thrust with the left hand would mean the sword is held in the left hand. A thrust with the right hand would require that the sword be past to the right hand (?). But if the sword is two-handed how does one discriminate between a "left-handed thrust" and a "right-handed thrust"? 3.) As I write this I must disclose that all of the modern sources I have found so far only state one of two options for thrusting--- blade-up and blade-down. In the sword that I practice we also have blade-edge-left and blade-edge-right. For us the orientation of the blade-edge relates to the target selected. To speed the discussion along, what I have discerned for a solution follows. Unless the movement specifies an upward or downward orientation of the sword as (IE. "Jik Bu sends a scroll"; "Wild Goose Posture") I conclude that the thrust is either a left or right orientation. Since you have experience with Western Fencing you will appreciate the need for proper form in the thrust between the hand and the sword tip, yes? If, therefore, a comment states "...thrusting with the left foot and hand" I take this as stepping with the left foot and thrusting with the blade oriented to the right as this provides for the best application of thrusting force from the left hand to the tip. Conversely, if one were to "...thrust with left foot and right hand.." the step would be with the left foot but the blade edge would be oriented to the left as the best thrusting orientation for the right hand to the tip would follow. Biomechanically the interpretation is sound and it does not contradict anything in the text. Thoughts? Comments? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:33:10 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Foot Pain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks everyone. Well fortunately mine only hurts at certain times. Jye Master Mac wrote: <> That's what I have. Makes it difficult to walk on hard floors. Many times when I get up from sitting (or early in the morning) I have to walk around like an old man. It doesn't help that I hurt my big toe on that foot - and a couple of days ago hurt the big toe on my other foot.... Mac (getting old) _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1800 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. --__--__-- Message: 15 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:58:26 -0600 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Bert Edens Subject: [The_Dojang] re: Steven Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net At 16:22 12/13/04, you wrote: >steven rivera wrote: >Hi all, I am new to this. My name is Steve and I am a hapkido student. Greetings, Steven! So tell us about you and your training... Where are you located? **bows** - Bert Edens, II Dan TKD Springdale, Arkansas --__--__-- Message: 16 From: "Bareli, Sol" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:34:53 -0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Forms / Explanations / DVD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This is a question from a newbie; can anyone recomend a good video/dvd containing all taekwondo forms with possible explantions for the moves. Thanks, Ben. ============================================================================== This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. 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I was scanning through the spam mail this morning and I found this: FROM: "BlackBelt Life Productions" TO: "Subscriber" SUBJECT: The Black Belt Authority CONTENT-TYPE: text/plain BECOME A BLACK BELT FROM HOME IT'S EASY TO LEARN IT'S AFFORDABLE IT'S ALL FROM HOME The entire Kenpo Karate in the convenience of your own home! The Entire Kenpo Karate System Taught On 10 DVD's! This exclusively designed BLACKBELT SYSTEM will give you all the tools to earn your Black Belt! All you need is a DVD player and willingness to learn. Each DVD has all the requirements for the belt level. Please visit our website at http://consumerofferguide.com/t/165/943/78882487/3370 It was sent to one of the auditors where I work. I asked him about it and he said that the list he subscribes to is a home and garden list. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mac --__--__-- Message: 18 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Forms / Explanations / DVD To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:38:32 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > This is a question from a newbie; can anyone recomend a good video/dvd > containing all taekwondo forms with possible explantions for the moves. Hi Ben, Do you truely want -all- Taekwondo forms? That would included the old TKD/TSD forms, the two new sets of Kukki-TKD gup forms, the Kukki-TKD Dan forms, the ITF tuls, the ATA copyrighted forms, etc, etc.. I don't know of any video/DVD source that would contain -all- Taekwondo forms. What style of Taekwondo are you learning? If it is ITF style then the Legacy CDs are excellent (http://comdo.com). Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 19 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:00:30 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Red Belt Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net According to Dr. Kimm, as far as hapkido is concerned - the belts system comes from the colors of the Korean flag. It is possible this may part of the original purpose in the other KMA. Jere R. Hilland www.rrhapkido.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest