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Re: Terminology (Beungood8@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:27:44 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin R" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] belt colors Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jere wrote: >According to Dr. Kimm, as far as hapkido is concerned - the belts system comes from the colors of the Korean flag. It is possible this may part of the original purpose in the other KMA. Actually, the system of belt colors comes from judo. White, brown and black were used at the Kodokan. Other colors were added (green, etc.) later, and are often credited to Mikonosuke Kawaishi, who began teaching in Paris in 1935. The belt colors were added to make seminars easier, since most advanced instruction took place during seminars with high-ranked instructors from Japan who travelled the seminar circuit in North America and Europe. They used belt colors to differentiate skill levels and thus to break the seminar group into distinct instructional units. Or so I've heard... Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:21:29 -0700 From: "Jay O'Connor" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] belt colors Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Burdick, Dakin R wrote: > Jere wrote: > > >>According to Dr. Kimm, as far as hapkido is concerned - the belts > > system comes from the colors of the Korean flag. It is possible this may > part of the original purpose in the other KMA. > > Actually, the system of belt colors comes from judo. White, brown and > black were used at the Kodokan. Other colors were added (green, etc.) > later, and are often credited to Mikonosuke Kawaishi, who began teaching > in Paris in 1935. The belt colors were added to make seminars easier, > since most advanced instruction took place during seminars with > high-ranked instructors from Japan who travelled the seminar circuit in > North America and Europe. They used belt colors to differentiate skill > levels and thus to break the seminar group into distinct instructional > units. Or so I've heard... > My sobomnim explained that it was sort of a symbolized represntation of experience in that everyone started with white belts but the more you trained (especially when training was outside), the dirtier your belt got. The darkness of a belt, therefore, would roughly indicate experience. The belt colors, going from white to black as you can experience, sorta formalize that process Take care, Jay --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:26:44 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] TSD stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hwang Kee's 50th annivers. was widely publicised and an "open" invitation (more or less). No other open training events exist to my knowledge. Hwang Kee to my knowledge does not use Do Ju Nim or 10th Dan, but only Kwan Jang Nim. I don't think he refers to himself as any numeric Dan which in my book is correct. Master Shin, Jae Chul explained to me that Tang Soo Do does not award a 10th Dan as 9th (like midnight blue) implies room for improvement. He basically implied it (level 10)was not something you could achieve while alive, which I think might explain a post humous 10th Dan....I have always suspected he never accepted a 9th Dan from the (WTSDA) board out of respect for GM Hwang (just a guess). There are other branches that have gone on to award 10th Dan Kim, Tang Moon here in Atlanta is one example..... YIJD MC --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:38:54 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] TSD Red Belt Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Seriosly on belts Master Lee is more accurate. Hope everyone understood the TSD joke about red belt was told to me as just that a joke to share with Dans not gups and with tongue in cheek :-) Anyway Red = Blood, life, energy (or as Master Lee said Yang Energy). The Red belt should be at their physical peak, but without the serenety of the black/midnight calmness. And yes Master Terry is correct they can be dangerous. Try Center Referee for two teen male Red Belts in peak physical condition :-) YIJD MC --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:57:45 -0500 (EST) From: "A. Boyd" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Um/Yang balances: Snow Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Due to an unfortunate misalignment of the universe while I was very young, I received far more than my share of snowy driveways, steps, and walkways. Far, far more than my share. As a result, I may have to stay in Korea, where I rarely see accumulated snow, until global warming makes my homeland a grassy wonderland... I'm gearing up for my eighth "Concrete Christmas" and I still feel no longing for the white kind! ===== Anthony Boyd: Swordsman and English Teacher www.stormpages.com/haidonggumdo ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:00:03 +0100 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Lee, Beom Joo Cc: GladewaterSooBahkDo@msn.com From: "Vetle Roeim" Organization: fnord Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:58:14 -0600, Gladewater SooBahkDo wrote: > I just got off the phone with Master Lee, Beom Joo. He is in Korea and > is a > former student of Hwang Kee Kwan Jang Nim. He began training in 1960 > and left > the US Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan in 1980. We had a very interesting > discussion > about history. Does anyone here know anything about him or has anyone > here > traned with or under him Yes, unless there's two Beom Joo Lees out there. He is active in Northern Europe, in particular Denmark and Norway, and he visited the dojang I train in on one occation. He's got 9th dan in Taekwondo and 5th dan in Hapkido, if I remember correctly. He's graded my master in Hapkido, and dan graded a couple of friends of mine. I got a good impression of him ... That's more or less all I know. There seems to be some more information on a site created by some of his Norwegian students: http://www.taekwondoacademy.org/ -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:24:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Developmentally disabled find fun Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Developmentally disabled find fun outside the mainstream By AMY SARA CLARK FOR THE JOURNAL NEWS TheJournalNews.com December 14, 2004 Eyes focused and movements crisp, Frank Scarfone executed his tae kwon do forms with the air of an expert. With a third-degree black belt and the ability to break 4-inch-thick pieces of wood with his forearm, the 38-year-old from Harrison is more than an expert, he's an example. In work and housing, it's now a given that being part of mainstream society is ideal for most people with developmental disabilities. But parents and professionals still debate whether the same is true in recreation. Scarfone is one of a few who have been interested in mainstream recreational activities, though more are beginning to show interest, said Dawn Calle of South East Consortium For Special Services. "The most important thing is for them to have a successful experience." Emily Kingsley said it was great for her son, Jason, who has Down syndrome, to participate in mainstream school and work. Recreation is different. "Recreation has to be really, really keyed in to the individual's abilities and interests, rather than following any particular politically correct trend," she said. Jason Kingsley, who has taken mainstream acting classes, said he would prefer a class for people with developmental disabilities. "It's more fun to be in a class with people you're familiar with." Most people with developmental disabilities, like Joseph Lombardozzi, who takes chorus with Scarfone on Monday nights, concentrate social activities in nonmainstream places. In the summer, Lombardozzi plays volleyball and takes a water aerobics and games class through South East. Both he and Scarfone attend South East's weekly Friday night social club. Nick Albrecht, 23, of Mahopac spends much his free time either talking on the phone or hanging out in person with a tightly knit group of friends he's had since elementary school. "These kids take care of each other, and they're cognizant of the other people's needs. It's a little group that's been together forever," said his mother, Barbara. Albrecht also serves as a disc jockey for frequent dances at Putnam Associated Resource Centers. "I'll play '60s and '70s and holiday music. ... I know the year of the album and the movie for the album," he said. Sometimes, the biggest obstacle isn't finding the right social environment, it's getting to it. Natalie Troupe is learning to take the bus alone so she can hang out with her friends. "I would like to go to the mall. I would like to go out," she said. "It doesn't matter where, just out." The goal right now, said Ralph Szur of Westchester ARC, is to provide supports that allow people with developmental disabilities to participate in activities in a mainstream setting. Through Westchester ARC's Club Echo, for example, young adults go everywhere from Broadway shows to Bermuda with staff help. Recreation activities also help people practice important social skills and offer other benefits, such as learning to overcome fear, said Ken Freson, who directs Camp Venture's riding programs in Stony Point. Participants care for animals and can learn to ride. "It gives people a lot of confidence to control a 1,400-pound animal," Freson said. "The horses are able to tell first of all that the folks are developmentally challenged, and they're patient." Jannell Townsend, 22, of Nanuet loves animals, but she had to gather the courage to try riding. Now, she's over her fear. "It's friendly for me. It's gentle," she said. Jessica Martino, 27, and Kimberly Simons, 29, met most of their friends through three organizations: Westchester ARC, The Friends Network and Parents Assistance Committee on Down Syndrome, which brought the two together when they were toddlers. Through the parents' assistance committee and The Friends Network, Martino goes to some sort of event about once a month: The Martinos host the annual Valentine's Day party, and she recently went on a group weekend trip to Boston. Another friend of Martino's, Jessica Sirota, 27, of Pomona, also goes horseback riding, bowling and to social events weekly. She lives in a house with four friends she's known since school. The house has frequent parties. While most people with developmental disabilities concentrate their recreational activities among their peers, mainstreaming does not always require special staffing or Herculean efforts. When Scarfone and his parents approached Rico Dos Anjos 19 years ago about joining his tae kwon do class, the head instructor was more than happy to give it a try. "Did I think it would be a challenge?" Dos Anjos said. "Yeah. Was it a challenge? No." Dos Anjos and other students said Scarfone fit seamlessly into the class, progressing through the ranks in pace with his peers, and, like the others, teaching the youngsters. "You can't tell the difference in the technique, the precision," said Dos Anjos, adding that the group's grand master, a ninth-degree black belt who observed the students monthly, had no idea Scarfone was disabled until Dos Anjos told him three years in. Tae kwon do classes seem to be well-suited to integrating people with disabilities -- Dos Anjos' class has several, including children and teens with attention deficit disorder and autism -- because it's a visual sport with a lot of individual work, repetition and focus on precision. There's also a strong ethic of mutual respect; Scarfone has never been teased. "The students treat him like everyone else," Dos Anjos said. Students said Scarfone is a great addition to the class. "There's no such thing as Frankie in a bad mood," said Terri Janson, another student. "He loves this," said Scarfone's mother, Dorothy, as she watched him spar with a teenager. "He feels more normal. "It's his own little world," she added. "It's not something structured just for him." --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] belt colors To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:08:34 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > My sobomnim explained that it was sort of a symbolized represntation of > experience in that everyone started with white belts but the more you > trained (especially when training was outside), the dirtier your belt got. > The darkness of a belt, therefore, would roughly indicate experience. The > belt colors, going from white to black as you can experience, sorta > formalize that process Yes, this story is one of those great martial arts myths that won't seem to die off. A 'fun' story, but most likely not factual. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Ken Nessworthy" To: Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:59:37 -0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Women in TSD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi All, One of my students is busy with a project for college and she is doing it women in TSD and early Korean history. Can anyone help with the following. 1. Who was the first woman to get Cho Dan under GM Hwang Kee and what was it like in those days. 2. Were women in Korea allowed to train in martial arts during the 3 kingdoms period. Does any female TSD practitioners have any stories regarding the old ways of training and any interesting stories. With respect Ken --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "John Johnson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] KHF training in Korea Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 00:34:04 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Mr. Tchernolutsky, My name is John A. Johnson and I have lived in Seoul for six years. I am also a 4th degree black belt in the KHF and have been teaching a class for foreigners for the last three years or so. If you are interested, please contact me at beowulf600@hotmail.com. I also worked as the International Relations Director for the KHF for several months this year. I can therefore confidently tell you there is no special instructor or class for foreigners offerred by the KHF. You will have to find your own school/instructor while here. I look forward to hearing from you. John A. Johnson 4th dan, KHF 4th dan, Taekwon-do >From: "Nickolay Tchernolutsky" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [The_Dojang] KHF training in Korea >Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:32:51 +0300 (MSK) > >Hello everyone! > >Introductions first :) > >My name is Nickolay Tchernolutsky, I\'m 27 y/o, I live in >St. Petersburg, Russia, and I\'ve been practising hapkido >for 2 and a half years. > >I was wondering if the Korea Hapkido Federation (under Oh, >Se-Lim) provided training programs for foreign students. I >mean, training in Korea, not at an authorized dojang in >another country. If they did, could anyone please email me >with the contact details/any information about that? > >Thanks a lot! > >Hapki! >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list,  1800 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Beungood8@aol.com Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:15:40 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Terminology Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 12/14/2004 7:06:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: getting there from here. Are there any benefits for creating another set of non-universal terminology?....." Here are three ways that a universal terminology would make things better. You gotta be kidding me! IU think this thread has beaten it's self into the ground. Who cares what it's called by whom and where!!! Get on the mat and practice it a thousand times instead of pow wowwing in the corner of the training Hall! --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest