Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 03:03:55 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #546 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1800 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Lt. Col McCormick (J. R. West) 2. Re: Hi, and I'm a new HDGD student in Korea. (David Ellis) 3. Charles Richards...Women in MA (George Peters) 4. Re: RE: Woman (jakskru@sbcglobal.net) 5. Re: Denise (jakskru@sbcglobal.net) 6. Re: belt washing (Nathan Miller) 7. Denise (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 8. Re: Denise (Vetle Roeim) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "J. R. West" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 19:49:17 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Lt. Col McCormick Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have been out of the country for a while, but now that I am back, I wanted to take a moment to thank Kip McCormick for helping me out at the Hapkido seminar in fairfax, VA a couple of weeks ago. Kip put up with a lot of good natured (I hope) kidding, as well as more than his fair share of demo-partnering. I also enjoyed talking to him up close and personal at the post-seminar food fest, and I look forward to seeing him again during his promised visit to Jackson in March. I wish there were more officers of his caliber when I was a lowly enlisted swine.......Thanx again, Kip.....J. R. West www.hapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 02:51:46 +0000 (GMT) From: David Ellis To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hi, and I'm a new HDGD student in Korea. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just a hello and stuff. I'm studying Haidong Gumdo in South Korea (in a small town way south). So I'm just like Anthony. But seven-ish years behind =) And in a smaller city =) If you have any questions, don't ask me, I'm just a white belt, but its great fun and a wicked workout so far. I am in a class with four other foreigners. Which makes up more than 1/4 of all english teachers in my town. No other martial arts are followed here by foreigners for whatever reason.. Despite only starting just over two weeks ago I'm already worrying about what I'll do when I go back to the UK! there's no HDGD dojang's anywhere near where I might be in the future and I'm loving it so far.. I understand that the two major HDGD groups have the same name. So mine is the one with the big G and a sword stuck through it. Nice to meet y'all. If it isn't too presumptuous to ask in a first message, I'm wondering how quickly did you (Anthony) or anyone else progress through the lower belt ranks in HDGD? I'm not in a hurry, mainly curious. I started this for fun and exercise. I have seen discussions here saying that Korea has taken on American ways of advancing people through the ranks quickly for marketing reasons or whatever. Did you experience this Anthony in any way with your lower belts? I get the impression that I'll be taking belt tests every month or two, and that the regular black belt takes about 12 months to achieve here (training 5-6 days a week). Is this normal in Korea, or other places, for HDGD? I'm not overly worried whatever the answer, because, as I say, I'm enjoying myself which is the main thing I started it for; just curious. -David --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:13:39 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Charles Richards...Women in MA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir, No fair ,Sir. You mentioned Cynthia Rothrock and now I won't sleep for a week. For shame, Sir. Respectfully, George --__--__-- Message: 4 From: To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Woman Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 01:08:52 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net i pretty much agree with craig here....just one thing to add...we have some women in our class ( hapkido, which makes these chicks pretty tough in my book! ) and i have noticed something about them, and that is even though they generally lack the power of their male counter parts, they also show me that they have greater hand speed and have stronger legs ( when compared to the average guy that doesnt do free weight training for leg strength), which i find amazing....i really respect women that train in martial arts, and this is especially true for me when i witness the women in my class that are willing to go through the art that i study since i feel that it is an especially tough art to practice....( though i am not saying one art is better than any other, fyi). ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 1:02 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Woman --__--__-- Message: 5 From: To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Denise Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 01:13:09 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net i dont know about "old school training", but the training we do is pretty brutal....and we have two women that do it. i dont think you should make a generalized statement like that because you have not seen every existing schools training practices. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 7:59 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] Denise > Denise > > Please don't misunderstand me. I was not attempting to say woman are in anyway > less than men. I am simply saying that in the old school training was much > harder than it is today, and most woman did not care to be bruised and beaten > on a weekly bases. > > I mentioned Master Lisa Kozak. You may know her, as I understand you were once > a Moo Duk Kwan member. She is as feminine as any other lady I know, but in > Do-Bak she spars as hard as any man I know, and her technical ability is > amazing. > > JC > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1800 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 08:56:15 -0600 From: Nathan Miller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] belt washing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net There was a website called 24fightingchickens.com written by a sort of Shotokan outcast - very interesting, very informative. He spent a few years training in Japan. Shortly after he first started training, his instructor approached him to discover why he smelled so bad - they traced it to his never-washed belt. Everyone else washed their belt along with their uniforms, he was shocked to find out - having always been taught to never wash his belt. So... it may be in some Shotokan schools, but not style-wide. Perhaps it's an invention here to help keep the arts "mysterious". Nathan On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 14:03:27 -0000, PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk wrote: > I know not washing your belt is definite trad in shotokan. maybe the trad has > filtered into KMA. > RULDS2 --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 10:25:50 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Denise Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Denise; Thank You for your understanding. I agree with your latest post. I too have evolved to a less brutal way of training. Don't misunderstand me I still practice realism, and I still train old school. There is just a sensibility to injury, age, youth etc. that did not exist back then. As for the difference in the quality of student produced. There are many angles. 1st I feel the old days prepared students for the reality of real combat better than today's methods. Simply, if you don't experience the feel of contact you don't know how you will react at the moment of truth. I remember the instructor making us hold our hands over our head, He would punch us in the solar plexus hard enough to knock the wind out of us then make us spar. This let us know how to deal with that type of situation. This is also an unheard of practice today, but it made us stronger. I think the students today, however have better physical technique. Partly because of better understanding, and partly because of better explanation, and teaching methods. Although I see far more lazy people training now than then. Back then they simply did not stay around because it was to hard. now commercialized schools seem to cater to people because they are income. Today we have a more public friendly approach. This creates a larger student base which is good Denise; I feel the old days had some very good attributes some of what have been lost. I believe today's methods are in a lot of ways better. The question is which ones to hold on to and which ones to let go Respectfully JC --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 10:47:02 +0100 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Denise From: "Vetle Roeim" Organization: fnord Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 01:13:09 -0500, wrote: > i dont know about "old school training", but the training we do is pretty > brutal....and we have two women that do it. i dont think you should make > a > generalized statement like that because you have not seen every existing > schools training practices. As far as I understand it, it's not about what women can or can't do ... It's about cultural differences, and the fact that there have been times when there were more "rules" about what women could and could not do. We have thankfully come a long way since then. [...] -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest