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Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1800 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Lt. Col McCormick (Kip McCormick) 2. still more thrusts (A. Boyd) 3. Bruce Tegner (john.a.mcintosh@bt.com) 4. Orthodox Hapkido Video Series (Todd Miller) 5. 24 Fighting Chickens (john.a.mcintosh@bt.com) 6. Hello, David! (A. Boyd) 7. Re: HDGD Thoughts (Bruce Sims) 8. Re: Women in Hapkido (Bruce Sims) 9. Re: 24 Fighting Chickens (Nathan Miller) 10. Need help finding my instructors instructor (lumpster) 11. School in Kansas (Chuck Luntz) 12. RE: washing the belt (CStovall@nucorar.com) 13. RE: bruce tegner and black belt myths (Howard Spivey) 14. Re: Re: Hi, and I'm a new HDGD student in Korea. (Ray Terry) 15. Practical Weapons (Gladewater SooBahkDo) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Kip McCormick" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Lt. Col McCormick Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 15:23:09 -0800 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sir- Many thanks for the kind words. The pleasure was mine, the motrin was Tim Walker's. And many thanks to Larry Nisenoff for putting on such a great seminar. For those of you who haven't had a chance to do a Master West throw down, please come to Mississippi. It's well worth it! See you in March. Kip >From: "J. R. West" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: "Dojang Digest" >Subject: [The_Dojang] Lt. Col McCormick >Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 19:49:17 -0600 > >I have been out of the country for a while, but now that I am back, I >wanted >to take a moment to thank Kip McCormick for helping me out at the Hapkido >seminar in fairfax, VA a couple of weeks ago. Kip put up with a lot of >good >natured (I hope) kidding, as well as more than his fair share of >demo-partnering. I also enjoyed talking to him up close and personal at >the >post-seminar food fest, and I look forward to seeing him again during his >promised visit to Jackson in March. I wish there were more officers of his >caliber when I was a lowly enlisted swine.......Thanx again, Kip.....J. R. >West www.hapkido.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 1800 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 20:52:51 -0500 (EST) From: "A. Boyd" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] still more thrusts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ok, I'll give the pipe test a stab should I get the chance. Seems to be a strange target you have chosen to represent the torso, but perhaps it'll be clearer to me when I get the pipe... and a fence post. Cement walls and barbed wire we have. Fence posts... we are a few short. In my thrusting practice against pads and our mean-spirited practice dummy's spongy guts, I have found no significant difference in success rate for getting the point to grab in a thrust. Perhaps that's my ambidexterity playing a role, or perhaps not. The left hand is the source of tha majority of the power while the right is the source of the majority of the control. A lack of success on the right side, suggests to me that there is an alignment problem which is fixable. However, that said, I have yet to try running a PVC pipe through. In the content of my forms, the majority of thrusts are performed to abdominal targets, which makes good sense to me, the ribs and throat havine such a lower probability of success. PS: Just in case it wasn't a typo, shingum would be "new sword". Jingum means real sword. ===== Anthony Boyd: Swordsman and English Teacher www.stormpages.com/haidonggumdo ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 07:57:36 -0000 From: To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Bruce Tegner Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net You take a long weekend off work and all your plans come crashing down. Thanks to Ray for the excellent post on Bruce Tegner, it was very infomative nad right on the money. OK, so there is a Jukado school in Greater Portland, nowhere in the site did I see the name of Bruce Tegner but given that they are legitimate heirs to the system we know what to do...we create Yukondo (YUdo, KONg Soo Do and HapkiDO), which could be the earlier Korean version which was exported to the USA and perverted by westerners. Failing that we could claim that Yukondo was founded in North America by Native American tribes around the Yukon river and stresses a positive attitude, Yukondo it (I'm very, very sorry about that one). Thanks for reading John Chief of Clan Yukondo (formerly Clan Jukado) --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Todd Miller" To: Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 07:25:24 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Orthodox Hapkido Video Series Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The Jungki Kwan has recently released the Orthodox Hapkido Video Series on VHS. This series features GM Lim, Hyun Soo 9th dan teaching the Jungki Kwans white - Black belt techniques. Other special features are special demontstrations of GM Lim filmed in 1979 along with footage of Hapkido's Founder Doju Nim Choi, Yong Sul teaching and demonstrating Hapkido! This series is truly the Hapkido of Founder Choi, Yong Sul. If you would like more info on these tapes feel free to contact Master Todd Miller at hkdtodd@ttlc.net Take care Todd Korea Jungki Hapkido & Guhapdo Association --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 12:44:47 -0000 From: To: Subject: [The_Dojang] 24 Fighting Chickens Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Nathan Miller wrote: "There was a website called 24fightingchickens.com written by a sort of Shotokan outcast - very interesting, very informative." 24fightingchickens.com AKA Shotokan Planet was a very informative site. The webmaster, Rob Redmond, had a very opinionated and outspoken attitude to Shotokan which riled some folks and kept others amused. There was a mass of detailed information on all aspects of Shotokan, with the inevitable crossover to other martial arts - some people took exception to some (maybe most) of the things he wrote, but he seemed able to back up his ideas with clear and cogent argument. The site is now kaput and if anyone knows why it shut down I would be grateful for the information. Thanks for reading John Chief of Clan Yukondo. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 08:14:21 -0500 (EST) From: "A. Boyd" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hello, David! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It's nice to hear that another Haidong Gumdo-in has joined the Digest. I wonder how long it will be until there are as many posts about stabbing and cutting as there are about punching and kicking? Normally, I would refer you to my website - which I can gather you've already found - but something wicked happened to my host and my site has been retrograded to a version more than two years out of date and the provider is totally incommunicado so I can't change it. It's been my experience that the fast-track promotions are more of an Asian feature than a western one, as most of the people on this list spent longer in the gup ranks than anyone I've met here in Korea. The onus is on you to work hard and earn your promotions even if your kwanjang-nim has different standards for different people. I notice that kids and foreigners have more slack in the gup ranks than Korean adults. You don't have to use the slack you are given. You have no control over getting promoted or not, but you do have control over how hard you train, what research you do, and what personal standards you maintain. The balance shifts the other way after blackbelt, it gets harder for us. The normal schedule for testing - depending on the number of students - is about 8 weeks. In a large school there might be tests on a staggered schedule which makes it seem like there are tests every 6-8 weeks. The recommended minimum time to reach blackbelt is currently 18 months. Blackbelt represents having finished the basics and being ready to learn intermediate material. Mastery is a long way off. The speed of this may cause some "discussion" upon your return home from members of other martial arts. There's not much you can do about the opinions of others about the worth of your training except earn their respect. The Federation has stated on numerous occasions that it wants progression to be handled the same way world-wide. In some places, notably Canada and the US, this is being achieved up to a point. England is getting off to a slow start, but I think we can expect to see some big changes there over the next year or so now that there are a group of experienced people involved on a full-time basis. I've started a new site/forum for HDGD to replace the Community we've been running on MSN for the past few years. The url is easy to remember: hdgdforum.com If you have any questions about anything, please do not hesitate to contact me in e-mail. ===== Anthony Boyd: Swordsman and English Teacher www.stormpages.com/haidonggumdo ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 05:21:52 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Sims To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: HDGD Thoughts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi, David. Welcome to the DD. "....I have seen discussions here saying that Korea has taken on American ways of advancing people through the ranks quickly for marketing reasons or whatever......" I think the view that you are speaking to is the rather superficial way in which HDGD folks (and I am not sure which group did this) came through various areas here in the States, did a seminar and then promoted some individual to be the rep in that area. IMHO It sorta gave Korean sword specifically and HDGD generally a "black eye" of sorts. I think you will notice that when I have a question about HDGD I don't usually address my queries to anyone but Anthony both here and over in SFI. I know from speaking to Anthony, that being the "voice of HDGD" is not something that he relishes but he invariably rises to the occasion and thats all in his credit. I'm afraid that here in the States there is simply just too much moving around to get solid technical answers from HDGD practitioners on this side of the Pacific. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 05:36:58 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Sims To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Women in Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Folks: Lets be honest and admit that in some European cultures people who do not have a penis between their legs have been, and probably will be discriminated against. Organizations such as the Roman Catholic Church have been notorious for discriminating against and occasionally abusing --- even persecuting-- female members. OK, so I can't change history. What I CAN do is deal with those individual who come to me and are motivated to learn Hapkido. Some of the things I need to take into account when this happens are the following and I would not mind hearing peoples' thoughts on these bits. 1.) Physically woman have about 30% less muscle tissue and about 30% more fat tissue than their male partners. I find myself encouraging greater use of elbows and knees in one-steps and I usually emphasize "pre-emptive strikes" to faciliate manipulative techniques earlier than their male counterparts. 2.) I usually need to at least comment in passing about pregnancy, breast support or menstrual concerns to make sure that the individual understands that we will be banging around and these bits need to be taken into consideration. 3.)One bit that I have had to address that I never had to speak to before --- and this is for men AND women--- is the wearing of hardware in rather "indelicate" places. Until the rage with implants and body piercing I never had to concern myself with this. Now I usually need to make at least some comment in passing to let people know that rings and pins, worn in the wrong place can really create problems. 4.) Finally, I think the single toughest bit to deal with is getting women to actually give and take on the mat. This seems to be a sort of rite of passage and either folks make it or they don't. By this I mean that unless a person can overcome the shock of being touched, grabbed, or subdued by another AND THEN be able to do whats necessary to cause this on their partner I am afraid the practitioner is just kidding themselves. Thoughts? Comments? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:31:03 -0600 From: Nathan Miller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] 24 Fighting Chickens Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >From what I understand (there used to be a more detailed explanation for the shutdown when you went there) he got tired of doing it. He'd always said he was mainly doing it for himself, and if you didn't like it, tough. The constant blowback may have eventually gotten to him, too. There was a forum for Shotokan Planet refugees, but I don't know if it still exists or not. It was indeed a great source of information, and will be missed. Nathan On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 12:44:47 -0000, john.a.mcintosh@bt.com wrote: > > 24fightingchickens.com AKA Shotokan Planet was a very informative site. The > webmaster, Rob Redmond, had a very opinionated and outspoken attitude to > Shotokan which riled some folks and kept others amused. There was a mass of > detailed information on all aspects of Shotokan, with the inevitable crossover > to other martial arts - some people took exception to some (maybe most) of the > things he wrote, but he seemed able to back up his ideas with clear and cogent > argument. > > The site is now kaput and if anyone knows why it shut down I would be grateful > for the information. > > Thanks for reading > John > Chief of Clan Yukondo. --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:31:38 -0800 (PST) From: lumpster To: The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Need help finding my instructors instructor Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My instructor, Master David Schmitt - 6th Dan, has his 35th aniversary of trainning in TSD in 2005. I am trying to find his original instructor, if he is still alive. Any information would be helpful. I am looking for Mr. Amos Judd, training took place at Fort Sam Houston in the late 60's. Mr. Judd was a 2nd Dan at that time. Tang Soo, **bows** Jay Sherman __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Chuck Luntz" To: "Dojang" Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 13:09:30 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] School in Kansas Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Can anyone suggest a good WTF/USTU school in Overland Park, Kansas? I have a family moving and looking to continue training. Chuck --__--__-- Message: 12 From: CStovall@nucorar.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:04:05 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: washing the belt Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sid writes, <<>> Any school I've ever trained at has had it as a house rule that you show up to class with a clean, fresh uniform. Is that not the case at your school? I like hard training, but having to endure someone else's "funk" is a bit much to ask anybody in this day and age. Soap and water...two of the cheapest things around. I know some people have hardships, but if they can't manage to clean their uniform then they probably need to be addressing some other issues in their life before they devote any more time to MA training. Just a thought. Craig "Two Showers a Day" Stovall CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by email or telephone. 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Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Howard Spivey" To: Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:19:30 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: bruce tegner and black belt myths Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net the quote below makes a couple of great points about misconceptions about black belts. i'm regularly surprised even today to hear some of the outlandish things the general public believes about black belts. i'm willing to bet that a lot of us would agree that a first dan rank simply means that the holder has achieved basic proficiency in the techniques of his / her art and understands the art's history, philosophy and principles. it's not much more than a milepost along the way in a long journey... "Remembering Bruce Tegner... ...One of Bruce's main contributions to self defense was that he dispelled a lot of the myths about the martial arts and brought realism to the fore again. One of these myths was the myth of the "Black Belt as a superman". In his book Bruce Tegner's Complete Book of Self-Defense he wrote, "Contrary to popular belief, the first black belts were not deadly killers; they were skilled sportsman." He was, of course, referring to Jigoro Kano implementing the use of colored belts for Judo, primarily a sport and means of physical education. He continues: "The myth of the black belt has spread widely and many people are convinced that the wearer of a black belt has super-human powers, that only a black belt qualifies a teacher of self defense... and so on through a long list of erroneous information about belt ranking." --__--__-- Message: 14 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Hi, and I'm a new HDGD student in Korea. To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 15:22:56 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello to David and all the new(er) folks that have recently joined the list. New people are always joining and the list keeps getting larger, but hopefully it will continue to be an interesting place to exchange ideas and maybe even a little pain now and then if we can get more folks down to Gm West's shindigs. Welcome to all y'all and early wishes for a Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, Festive Festivus, and a Killer Kwanzaa. And late Happy Hanukkah wishes. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 15 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:45:16 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Practical Weapons Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net DD Members Training Monday night, I was teaching knife defense to my Cho Dans and Bong defense to my E-Dans . I see both of these as practical, and realistic weapons. A question was asked to me about traditional martial arts weapons. I believe knife defense, and bong defense are practical as well as modern weapons defense like hand gun and so on. Some of the more traditional weapons seem to have lost their practicality with time. They are still traditionally taught as a part of a particular art form, but not necessarily practical for modern situations. What I mean is, For Example; The Sword. I love to watch a skilled swordsman train. The art aspect is amazing. I also believe that some of the skills learned from that type of training will lend itself to other areas, but I don't see many people walking around with a sword in their pocket. I don't say this to be negative toward the practice of traditionalist. I would like the thoughts of some of the others in the DD. Especially those who practice with traditional weapons. JC --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest