Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 03:04:15 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #550 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1800 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. sword: theme of the week (J R Hilland) 2. Re: Martial Arts original intent? (Kevin Luttrell) 3. coed training (Charles Richards) 4. Master Schmitt (Charles Richards) 5. Weapon arts as self-defense (A. Boyd) 6. Merry Christmas (kevin_janisse@comcast.net) 7. Traditional Weapons practical (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 8. Self defense is 99% mental (Johnjfitzg@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 00:18:03 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] sword: theme of the week Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have found that motion of technique with the sword is VERY similar to the techniques of hapkido. This common base of motion has been discussed about the ki arts and the sword arts for a very long time. That is why most hapkidoin and aikidoka practice with a sword. For me, the classical weapons have more value than history. But then I teach both modern and traditional weapons. I do not see much of a change in the motion of the technique, whether I am unarmed, have a cane, sword, staff, fan, etc. But the outcome for the other person is definitely different. Jere R. Hilland Fargo, ND www.rrhpakido --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 05:55:48 -0800 (PST) From: Kevin Luttrell To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Martial Arts original intent? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Sir, I think Martial Arts original intent was to overcome an intended enemy in the begining. Warriors had a mission to do, They studied their objective and practiced skills to complete their intended objective, without fail. They studied their enemy, and prepared how to overcome them by any means necessary. Military leaders used martial discipline to keep order in the troops and prepare them mentally for combat. How to make split second decisions on the battlefield without hesitation. With that said, I think the evolution of martial recreation has changed the face of "martial arts" practice. Whether you practice for self-defense, sport, fitness, ect. is a matter of personal preference. regardless of the reason each person practices "Martial Arts", we can all use the same guiding principles to keep Integrity, Honor, Discipline, Perseverence, Self-Control, Indomitable Spirit, to bind all Martial Artists' together. For whatever reason each person might train, those items serve to hold high the practice of "Martial Arts" for whatever reason each person might choose to practice. Whether you practice for combat, self-defense, fitness, recreation, each person can use "Martial Arts" to build higher ethical principles in himself and serve as an example to those he ight encounter. As Instructors, I dont think we should sacrifice "our" Martial Art or techniques for the sake of the student. But we all serve as an example of what martial arts are becoming, and its the basic principles we must all hold and try our best to live by that will attract non-martial artists to what we do. Its not really about the fighting....its about Integrity, Honor, Discipline, Perseverence, Self-Control, Indomitable Spirit found thru training. So every time you act, or speak these things should be your test and guide. Master Kevin Luttrell Director The Martial Artist Foundation Springfield, Mo. Visit The Martial Artist Foundation Official Website at http://www.sporttkd.com or join The Martial Artist Foundation Yahoo Group for free and keep up on Sport Martial Arts events:= "http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themartialartistfoundation/join"> --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 06:07:31 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] coed training Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I read "4.) Finally, I think the single toughest bit to deal with is getting women to actually give and take on the mat. This seems to be a sort of rite of passage and either folks make it or they don't. By this I mean that unless a person can overcome the shock of being touched, grabbed, or subdued by another AND THEN be able to do whats necessary to cause this on their partner I am afraid the practitioner is just kidding themselves. Thoughts? Comments?" MC Reply Bruce, As ever your posts force people to think :-) What I have found over the years is it's a trust issue. I'm very hands on with my teaching, often putting people's body parts in the correct position. However, I always ask the first few times if I can enter that person's space. I have a few students who would run when we did choke techniques. However, in time they became OK with doing the technique to me (not another student)...in time they would do a choke on another student (usually female first) and most in time will let me loosely rest my hands on their shoulder to simulate being choked. I explain tapping out as GM West does at his seminars. Most of our gups have a comfort level that they can experience the full range of joint manipulation/pain compliance by their choice, not their partners. That being said, most folks that watch me "light up" one of my adult male's pressure points want to convince themselves that they can illicit that response and eventually get curious about how it actually feels. So a long way of saying most male students just need a little testosterone loaded peer pressure to be the worlds dumbest uke and volunteer for anything, but most female students will also try all those techniques IF they have established a sacred trust with their training partner. This will sure stir the pot, but if you don't deserve that level of trust from each and every student of yours, do you really deserve the tittle "honored teacher" (Sabom nim). As to the give and take, yes, my 17 y/o Orange Belt appologizes when her partner taps out, but my mother-daughter 1st Gup pair are smiling as they dish out joint locks and pressure points to each other. YIJD, MC --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 06:27:18 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Schmitt Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I read "My instructor, Master David Schmitt - 6th Dan, has his 35th aniversary of trainning in TSD in 2005. I am trying to find his original instructor, if he is still alive. Any information would be helpful. I am looking for Mr. Amos Judd, training took place at Fort Sam Houston in the late 60's. Mr. Judd was a 2nd Dan at that time. " MC Reply, Dear Jay, Please give Master Schmitt my warm congradulations on his 6th Dan promotion and his 35th anniversary! He is among maybe only a dozen or so people that have been promoted to 6th Dan or higher by Shin Kwan Jang Nim. Tang Soo! MC --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:01:22 -0500 (EST) From: "A. Boyd" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Weapon arts as self-defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks for replying Mr. De Alba. I enjoyed reading your take on what I wrote. After it was sent I wondered if anyone would jump on the "martial art does not equal self-defense" position I take. I don't see a lot of disagreement in our positions on this topic except for one vital thing - the meaning of martial. I can't link war arts to self-defense and I don't think I am alone in that. The functional purpose of a sword is to kill, which is not inherently an act of self-defense. While killing might become necessary in a self-defense situation it is not required. Use of a sword against a person however, can have few other results. In modern times, particularly in litigious cultures, carrying self-defense to such an extreme winds up putting you back in harm's way again... Looking back, as you suggest, to original intents, I would posit that the original purpose of fighting skills was as much to take resources such as food and whatnot as it was to protect them. Afterall, historically speaking it is only recently that we have grown to view expansion through military power as a "bad thing". I'm not sure if that clarifies my position for you or not, but thanks for taking the time to comment, I appreciate it. This is a pretty deep issue and it's easy to play semantic games with yourself and wind up thinking you believe something that you don't or can't. I can come up with as many reasons for war or fisticuffs that could qualify as "Self-Defense" as I can that don't so I have no trouble seeing where you are coming from. ===== Anthony Boyd: Swordsman and English Teacher www.stormpages.com/haidonggumdo ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca --__--__-- Message: 6 From: kevin_janisse@comcast.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:22:59 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Merry Christmas Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I hope everyone has a Merry Christmas and a Prosporous New Year. May God's blessing flow richly to you all. Sincerely, Kevin Janisse --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:11:33 -0600 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Traditional Weapons practical Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net JC, I can understand where you are coming from. I am getting a new sword for Christmas, he he he, and I don't expect to be carrying it regularly for self defense. However, I think there are things you can learn from a lot of weapons that will be useful. And I have learned a good deal from sword practice. I also think that the utility or practicality of a weapon also depends on the society and perhaps sub culture in which you live. A lot of people learned how to use nunchaku and carried them regularly back in the 70's, until they were made illegal. As far as sword, there are things I can gain from its practice, but I won't be carrying one. But there are certain elements of long knife use that come directly from sword, though most is more closely related to European traditions, in what I have been taught. But, if you read the papers, you have seen a lot of use of machetes as weapons all over Africa. So I would say that sword might be really practical in some places today. Other things, like the oar were never very practical in lots of places. Lets face it, not many people carried their oars west with them in the 1800's. I am sure you have heard just as much as I have how all that karotty bull was just a waste of time. I would just shoot um. In other words, traditional martial art training is not practical with the advent of modern handguns. I don't agree with this of course any more than you probably would. IMO, the more things you understand, and have experience with, the better you are prepared for whatever you may face. And anything that you gain from has to be practical in some manner. Danny Dunn <<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>> --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Johnjfitzg@aol.com Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:35:41 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Self defense is 99% mental Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Grand Master De Alba Please explain this comment further: >"Self defense is 99% mental (and attitude). The technical >aspects are ultimately secondary." I know attitude or fighting instincts are important, but 99% seems way too high. Does this also mean only 1% is for technical aspects? We all have heard of young children killing people with guns and I do not believe that they all have developed fighting instincts or killer instincts. Thanks John --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest