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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1800 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Master Hilland "learn the art" (James) 2. Re: Dojunim seminars (David Beck) 3. Getting old(er) (J.R. West) 4. Re: Footwork/distance (Beungood8@aol.com) 5. footwork and counters (Stephen Petermann) 6. Reality vs Art (Stephen Petermann) 7. hapkido in Dallas. (Eric Walker) 8. Re: hapkido in Dallas. (silentflute@comcast.net) 9. RE: What is most useful? (CStovall@nucorar.com) 10. RE: hapkido in Dallas. (Rick Moore) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "James" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Master Hilland "learn the art" Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:37:19 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi George, Great observation, but don't take the other's complaint too much to heart. I find that the notion of knowing nothing is really a good thing. The greatest darkness we will ever experience is when we start to think we know something. It is the empty mind that is free to absorb.... So empty yourself and see that you know nothing. That way you will not be burdened with the concerns of the truth as you see it. This is the beginning of wisdom...... Forgive me if I sound a little too grasshoppery hehe, James jsleep@provide.net ______________________________________________ Philosophy is my passion, Politics, my wine; Sex is my distraction, True love, what I pray to find. -------James Sleep 1991------------ -----Original Message----- From: George Peters [mailto:kyosag@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 12:49 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Hilland "learn the art" Good Sir, In reading your post I am reminded how fortunate we are to have stayed longer in our respective arts than it takes to "smell the coffeee". You comments to Mr. Boyd reaffirmed how I feel also. Your comments also showed the downside of most MA publications, and why I feel they are more for the "public", than for the practictioner. One of the "letters to the edititor" that I shall never forget was in BB some years back, It started out something like this:" Dear BB Mag, Martial Arts is a lot of bunk. I have studied seven arts over the last ten years and know nothing...........". I couldn't believe what I had read, much less believe that some "real person" had written it. Since then, every time I would like a "change of scenery", or make something different, I am reminded of this man's letter and how bad it can get. Just my 2cents on it. Respectfully, George _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1800 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:56:21 -0800 (PST) From: David Beck To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Dojunim seminars Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Message: 3 > From: > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 08:42:21 -0500 > Subject: [The_Dojang] Dojunim Seminar in Atlanta and > Connecticut > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > I was wondering how many of you are planning to > attend the > Grandmaster Ji, Han Jae seminar in April at Master > James > Allison's dojang? This would be your opportunity to > see > the man first hand and not worry about the issues of > his > video tapes. Yes,it would be great to have them out > but > there's no substitution for training with the real > thing. > Dojunim is the real thing. The seminar is April 16 > and > 17 and I will be attending with three of my > students. > Master Allison is a great guy and an excellent > Hapkidoist. I recommend it to all. I would agree, no substitute for the real thing. And I'll add that if you're closer to Texas or if you have the ability/opportunity to do both, I'm hosting Dojunim a week earlier. April 9th and 10th in Dallas. I'll post more info as it gets closer. ===== David N. Beck dnbeck@beckmartialarts.com http://www.beckmartialarts.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "J.R. West" To: Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:02:52 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Getting old(er) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig wrote: "Sol, there's a very simple answer to your question...it's up to you!!! I think it's very common and natural to believe that "things get worse with age" when it comes to all things physical. The thing that we have to keep in mind is that we come to this belief by watching our fellow humans who are by-and-large leading a very sedentary life style." Personally, I have never had a time in my life from age 21 on, that I have not trained in or taught Hapkido, and you are correct, you will be as old and decrepit as you choose to be. I started feeling VERY old as I rapidly approached my 60th birthday, but a trip to a high school reunion left me with one undeniable truth...I am OK! A few weeks ago, while teaching a seminar in VA, I was approached by one of the attendees who looked at me and commented "we must be about the same age", to which I replied, "Really?. How old are you?" His answer was "44", to which I said, "No, but I have a son almost that age". For the rest of the day he kept asking my students how old I was.......really, and I ended up showing him my driver's license at dinner. I choose every day to be active and to not give in to the ravages of approaching old age.......A wise old gentleman once told me......."What good is it to live to be one hundred years old, if your body died when you were 50." The choice is yours!...J. R. West www.hapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Beungood8@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:19:40 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Footwork/distance Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 1/4/2005 9:05:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: accomplishing(unbalancing, and controlling distance) and teaching it that should not bew a big problem,no? I think the assessment of combat distance is as important as handplacement., Especially when dealing with bladed weapons. Exactly, the assesment of combat distance comes naturally after going through the repitition phase 100's of times. My thinking was if you cut out the footwork and distance portion of the techniques to focus on the grabbing, and just practiced the grabbing portion of the technique til mastery or at least until able to demonstrating a functional understanding. When you went back to finetune or learn the distance /angling/timing aspect it would be almost like having to re-learn a new technique. It seems to me (imho)that you would have to overcome the muscle memory you have built in previously to learn the correct timing/distance aspect. Im looking at it from a point of footwork training done in Pekiti-Tirsia Kali where the basic footwork at the beginning is the same exact movement done when performing advanced bladed combat. There is no need to learn a different movement, you've already performed it thousands of times. Exactly the manner in which Sin Moo Hapkido and Dojunim Ji teach and Pekiti-Tirsia-Kali and Tuhon Leo Gaje teach. Just my own two cents and experience from Hapkido and Kali point of view together. Happy New Year! Jack --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Stephen Petermann" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:07:41 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] footwork and counters Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Mr. Tomlinson, IMHO counters have the same requirements as basic technique. Off-balancing your opponent being most important, finding and exploiting the weakness present in even the best done technique being second. Perhaps I will have the pleasure of exploring differences in step, position and counters with you some day. This seems like an interesting area of Hapkido study. Sincerely, Steve >Yep the first step means everything in Hapkido... if you make the proper step with the proper lowering of your body while keeping your elbow close in to your body you not only create a ton of power and speed but you basically wipe out about 90 percent of the counter techniques... I have noticed over the years that most of the counters to joint locks and throws hinge off the fact that your stepping and basic body positioning is wrong.. any thoghts?? Michael Tomlinson< --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Stephen Petermann" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:48:05 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Reality vs Art Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Mr. Fusco, The debate of Reality vs Art is no longer an incendary issue for me. IMHO those who choose Martial Arts choose the less than "perfect" blend of art and efficacy. Those who choose Reality Training choose the less than "perfect' blend of efficacy and art. Sincerely, Steve >I have been training in the martial arts for almost 10 years now. Most of >my training is in the Korean arts (TKD, HKD & Yudo). During this time, I have cross-trained in other arts and spent much time and money reading about and researching the martial arts. What are some opinions on the majority of martial arts being too impractical and "artsy"? I've seen the gamut, from the more popular "martial sport" Taekwondo to the "reality" self-defense arts, and all of the traditional arts in between. What say you all? I am purposely leaving this ambiguous in order to foster a healthy discussion, not a heated argument. I look forward to hearing from you all. Yours in the arts, G. Fusco< --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Eric Walker" To: Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 06:59:35 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] hapkido in Dallas. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net DDers, I have a student that will be going away to college at the beginning of the summer and I was wondering, what are the names of some schools in Dallas that I should be investigating for her? I don't know which school she'll be attending, but I'll have a better idea soon, and I'd like to gather as much info as I can for her. She'll be looking for a dojang that emphasizes the self defense side of hapkido. Thanks, Eric -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 12/30/2004 --__--__-- Message: 8 From: silentflute@comcast.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] hapkido in Dallas. Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 15:57:58 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Eric, I would highly recommend Master David Beck. His website is www.beckmartialarts.com. John -------------- Original message -------------- > DDers, > I have a student that will be going away to college at the > beginning of the summer and I was wondering, what are the names of some > schools in Dallas that I should be investigating for her? I don't know > which school she'll be attending, but I'll have a better idea soon, and > I'd like to gather as much info as I can for her. She'll be looking for > a dojang that emphasizes the self defense side of hapkido. > > Thanks, > Eric > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 12/30/2004 > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1800 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 9 From: CStovall@nucorar.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:20:50 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: What is most useful? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> Oy vey... Ok, here's the simple answer. There is no such thing as a universal standard for "most useful". There. I said it. Sue me!!! Seriously, this is kind of like asking whether Abercrombie & Fitch sells the hottest clothing on the market. Well, it might make me look "mad sexy" on my way to 3rd period Algebra, but it's not something I would wear to my mother-in-law's funeral. Mad sexy? Yes. Appropriate? No. Is it cool to wear purple socks? Absolutely. Is it cool to wear them with a black tuxedo? Not to my sister's wedding! And there lies the rub. Everyone likes to ask the question "what is best/hottest/baddest", but the truth of the matter is that it's a useless question unless we specifically address the CONTEXT within which we're going to evaluate these arts. If we understand that...then the question answers itself. If I'm a 50-something executive who's recovering from his first heart attack and is looking for a way to shed some pounds and fight stress...then taking part in full-contact Vale Tudo training is probably not the way to go. In this specific case, doing a little Tai Chi might be a tad more useful and/or appropriate. On the flip side, if I'm a beat cop who works the roughest part of Topeka Kansas then Tai Chi might not be the thing that will get me home alive if I find myself locked in mortal combat with Crackhead Bob. Maybe some training in Krav Maga, Hapkido, or BJJ might be more useful. The again, what if I want to be the NASKA weapons form champion? Studying traditional Japanese katana might satisfy the puritan spirit in my heart, but I'll probably lose the trophy to some 14-year-old that's down with that XMA hotness. The again if I challenged the aforementioned master of MaryLouRetton-Ryu to a sword dual at dawn then my traditional training would probably prove more "useful" and I would quickly lop the head off of my pubescent opponent and offer up his blood stained satin gi as offering to the martial gods on high. In other words, what is "useful"? The answer...you tell me. What is it that we're trying to accomplish? What is the CONTEXT through which usefulness will be evaluated? Are we trying to lose pounds? Are we trying to win trophies? Are we trying to get miscreants off of the streets? Are we trying to crush our enemies, have them driven before us, and hear the lamentations of the women? Love that movie, by the way. Oftentimes when people ask this question they really mean "what is most useful for fighting?". My answer...hell if I know. What kind of fighting are we talking about? A schoolyard scuffle? A woman who wakes up in the middle of the night and finds a naked stranger standing over her bed? The ancient battlefields of Japan? Inside the Pride ring or UFC octagon? Escorting unruly patrons to the other side of the velvet rope outside of 'Club Headsprung'? Again...hell if I know. It all DEPENDS. But, are we even talking about fighting? What if we're talking about health maintenance? Or, physical rehab? Or, teaching self-esteem and discipline to "at risk youth"? Or, just something that will get people to turn off the TV and go do something that's both social and healthy? I dunno! They're all equally useful and useless...how's that for a truly zen aswer? It depends upon you...it depends upon circumstances...it depends upon the application. If you understand the context then the original question becomes moot (or at least easy to answer). Short of that simple understanding...you'll be left with the classic battles of "my style is better than that wussy crap you study". No universal standard. That's it for me. Craig "No need to thank me, just send money" Stovall CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by email or telephone. You are instructed to destroy any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of this communication if you are not the intended recipient. Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Rick Moore" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] hapkido in Dallas. Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:20:38 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I would also highly recommend Master David Beck in Richardson, TX(North Dallas). I have studied with him for not quite a year and I find him to be a very competent instructor and has the experience and knowledge that you can't find everywhere you look. Check out www.beckmartialarts.com. Regards, Rick Moore >From: "Eric Walker" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [The_Dojang] hapkido in Dallas. >Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 06:59:35 -0600 > >DDers, > I have a student that will be going away to college at the >beginning of the summer and I was wondering, what are the names of some >schools in Dallas that I should be investigating for her? I don't know >which school she'll be attending, but I'll have a better idea soon, and >I'd like to gather as much info as I can for her. She'll be looking for >a dojang that emphasizes the self defense side of hapkido. > >Thanks, >Eric > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 12/30/2004 >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 1800 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest