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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1800 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Footwork/ Hapkido basics (Beungood8@aol.com) 2. Ko Dan Ja Shim Sa (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 3. Footwork and stepping (michael tomlinson) 4. Re: Not getting any younger (Randy Mertes) 5. Re: RE: age and training (Neil Burton) 6. Footwork (michael tomlinson) 7. KMA down under (Mary Anne Young) 8. RE: RE: age and training (Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)) 9. Chung Do Kwan schools in Florida (Craig Zeigler) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Beungood8@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:15:32 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Footwork/ Hapkido basics Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> I am looking at it from the point of view of basic movment and technique. I think it doesn't really make a differance on what ART it is. I was saying I think it makes more sense to teach the technique and footwork together emphasizing unbalancing and distance estimation as one. As you get the technique down through SLOW repitition the grabbing aspect AND the distance thing will have been learned through repetition and become second nature. Maybe I am not explaining myslef clearly.... Peace, Jacko --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:38:18 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Ko Dan Ja Shim Sa Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sorry I have been a way for a while. I have been preparing for my test next week. I leave for the famous 10 masters test held by the US Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan. I know I will come back exhausted, beaten up, and and ready for some R and R. I will, however come back stronger than when I got there. I will also be exposed to some of the most senior Moo Duk Kwan practitioners in the World today. I will be training directly under H C Hwang Kwan Jang Nim Dan # 509, and many others. I look forward to this experience. I will talk to everyone again when I return, pray for me. JC --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 04:38:07 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Footwork and stepping Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Let me back up a bit and make a more succinct point of reference about footwork.... Martial arts is not some special form of movement... I mean we don't levitate and hover or anything so if I may equate it back to basic movement.... in every physical sport there is basic movement and that basic movement pertains to the activity at hand.. when I played football and coached d-line and linebackers there is NOTHING more important to your success than your initial first two steps... the hand techniques, the aggresiveness, tackling, etc.. come after your initial movement,,so I was drilled over and over and over on that movement, and I coach the same way, IF the first step is right then your whole body has been set up for success,, more is needed after that BUT without that happening first your chances of success are greatly compromised.. It is the same in Sin Moo Hapkido... you learn a certain movement for every technique and that movement does not change over the years or much from situation to situation, or from different attacks, so what Jack and I are saying is that you must teach and or learn that initial movement to set yourself up in the proper position to make everything else work fluidly and with power... that is how it works on people who don't want it to work on them outside of the dojang.....SO... IMHO the most important thing to teach is the proper footwork in the beginning... the body follows the feet and not the other way around... so we just try to drive home the muscle memory of basic movement first and foremost as you are doing everything else...if you get the proper stepping the rest becomes much easier to do.. so when we teach grab defense it is NEVER from a static position. or hopping into a horse stance when someone grabs us. as soon as you are grabbed you step a certain pre ordainded way as taught to us be Doju Nim Ji and you move your arms a certain way,, in Harmony with each other...feet,,body,, arms,, and then hands.. we don't do one without the other...after doing this a quad drillion times you begin to see past the details and realize that you should IMHO always work big to small on all techniques.... does that make any sense? Sometime I get too philosophical and it is hard to put in type.... I also think and correct me if I am wrong GM Petermann but your last post kind of made me think that you have a certain stepping pattern that you do on your counter techniques.... I would love to hear you elaborate on this.. having had the pleasure of working out with Les Connard on a couple occasions I know that the Jang Mu Won Hapkido GM's know a lot about teaching and movement... I could listen to Les talk about his movement and strategy for days... he is awesome.. Michael Tomlinson --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Randy Mertes" To: Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:46:30 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Not getting any younger Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I happened to notice the discussion on aging and though I didn't read the original post, I thought I would respond anyway. I just turned fifty so maybe I have a little something to contribute. I have been a student under Master Garrett Dewitt for the last (almost) five years. It is hard getting older, especially in activities like this that demand a lot. I spent 25 years in olympic-style weightlifting before entering TKD at age 45 (it got hard to hold a bar with arthritis in my left hand). Maybe part of what makes it tough is that we have very little to realistically compare ourselves with. Most everyone else in my dojang is younger. All the younger women are far more flexible and graceful (heck, for that matter, so are the older women). And the younger students have far greater endurance (....as do the older students). But I can still learn new things and I can still teach younger students. I first met Master Dewitt many years ago at the local YMCA. We have both commented on the number of people, over the years, that would come into the YMCA, work out for a week or two and than just disappear. Many of these were in their mid-twenties and had become accustomed to a sedentary lifestyle. They suddenly realized just how out of shape they really were and were trying to fix it. Problem was, they hadn't developed the habit of working out and so were probably doomed from the start. I guess my point is that if I am going to realistically evaluate myself, maybe I should compare myself with those fifty year old men in the general population who have sat at a desk job for the last thirty years. The other day I was leaving class and I stopped one of our younger (c. 15) students that I had sparred with. I said, 'Chase, I'm impressed with your sparring. You put together some good combinations tonight.' He turned to me and said, 'You do pretty good yourself, for an old man.' I knew he meant it well and was trying to be complimentary. So I took it as just that, a compliment. Those of you out there who worry a little about the aging process, you're probably doing pretty good for old folks. And you're probably a lot further ahead than most people half your age. R. Mertes --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:02:43 -0800 (PST) From: Neil Burton Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: age and training To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net FWIW I run regularly at 5 and 10 Kilometre (3-7 miles) and IMHO 6 minutes for a mile is pretty darn fast pace, heck thats a kilometer in 3 mins 45 secs! --- Howard Spivey wrote: > to sol, as a comment on craig stovall's response to > your post about age and > training... > > imo craig made several excellent points. > > i'll be 51 in less than 2 weeks, and i use > own-body-weight exercises of the > type craig mentions regularly. they have worked > very well for me. i tried > to go back to lifting fairly light free weights > about 3 years ago, but for > some reason (perhaps poor technique on my part) my > shoulders and elbows were > getting awfully sore. the own-body-weight exercises > haven't caused me any > soreness at all. i know i'm nowhere near as strong > as i was when i was 25, > but at least i think i've reversed the decline of > lean muscle mass that > craig mentions. > > i also agree with craig's thoughts on flexibility. > flexibility not only > improves your techniques (especially your kicking > techniques, of course), it > also makes you less susceptible to injury from torn > muscles. just be sure > to do the right stretches at the right time in your > workouts... check > www.stadion.com for some excellent free advice, and > if you're willing to > invest less than $30, get yourself a copy of tom > kurz's "stretching > scientifically." i'll be my next paycheck you won't > regret it. > > finally, as to the comment (not craig, i don't > think) about being able to > run a six-minute mile... imo that's a pretty fast > pace, even for somebody in > their 20s! i ran track in high school (was a > quarter-miler), and once > managed to run the mile in something like 5:30... i > thought i'd die before i > crossed the finish line... and i was about 17 at the > time, and in good shape > (could do the quarter in right at 50 seconds). > > anyway, good luck in your ongoing training, and > don't give up. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1800 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:06:31 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Footwork Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net David Beck writes: <> David I couldn't agree more with you brother.. this is how I teach also.. IMHO this is teaching self defense from the beginning,, it is always better to know how to move right and get out of the way first and foremost.. you can worry about the subtle nuances of bending the ring finger only in a certain technique later on...I like to work from general to specific in everything I teach..that includes Hapkido, Football, Wrestling, and even Art... it seems like that physical and mental pattern runs through many facets of life... Michael Tomlinson --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Mary Anne Young" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:01:24 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] KMA down under Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello all, I am wondering if anyone knows of any good KMA clubs in New Zealand, particularily the city of Christchurch in the south island. I have been studying tae kwon do for 4 1/2 years and hapkido for 2, but am willing diversify (as I firmly believe that cross-training is important for all martial artists). Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Mary Anne Young --__--__-- Message: 8 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: age and training Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:59:11 -0500 From: "Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am only 35 but..... I find that us 30+ folks have a mental (maturity) advantage over those young whipper snappers. I know how I was from 17 yo till about 25. I definitely wouldn't have sparred as "smart" or been as disciplined as I am now. Before all the 17 and 25 year olds start flaming me on maturity and discipline, there are always exceptions and please do not read this as a generalization. There are twins in our class that are the same rank as me. They spar very well, they are in better shape than me, but I usually end up with the advantage because I know how to "set them up". I know how to push their buttons. As these two youngsters develop mentally and in experience, I see them adjusting to my tactics, adapting, and then changing their approach. They occasionally get the best of me, and make me adapt my sparring strategy. In the meantime I am always looking for what things I can do to take it to the next level. Thanks, Brian D. Woodard -----Original Message----- From: Neil Burton [mailto:neil_burton37@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 4:03 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: age and training FWIW I run regularly at 5 and 10 Kilometre (3-7 miles) and IMHO 6 minutes for a mile is pretty darn fast pace, heck thats a kilometer in 3 mins 45 secs! --- Howard Spivey wrote: > to sol, as a comment on craig stovall's response to > your post about age and > training... > > imo craig made several excellent points. > > i'll be 51 in less than 2 weeks, and i use > own-body-weight exercises of the > type craig mentions regularly. they have worked > very well for me. i tried > to go back to lifting fairly light free weights > about 3 years ago, but for > some reason (perhaps poor technique on my part) my > shoulders and elbows were > getting awfully sore. the own-body-weight exercises > haven't caused me any > soreness at all. i know i'm nowhere near as strong > as i was when i was 25, > but at least i think i've reversed the decline of > lean muscle mass that > craig mentions. > > i also agree with craig's thoughts on flexibility. > flexibility not only > improves your techniques (especially your kicking > techniques, of course), it > also makes you less susceptible to injury from torn > muscles. just be sure > to do the right stretches at the right time in your > workouts... check > www.stadion.com for some excellent free advice, and > if you're willing to > invest less than $30, get yourself a copy of tom > kurz's "stretching > scientifically." i'll be my next paycheck you won't > regret it. > > finally, as to the comment (not craig, i don't > think) about being able to > run a six-minute mile... imo that's a pretty fast > pace, even for somebody in > their 20s! i ran track in high school (was a > quarter-miler), and once > managed to run the mile in something like 5:30... i > thought i'd die before i > crossed the finish line... and i was about 17 at the > time, and in good shape > (could do the quarter in right at 50 seconds). > > anyway, good luck in your ongoing training, and > don't give up. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1800 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1800 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:26:04 -0500 From: Craig Zeigler To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Chung Do Kwan schools in Florida Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello all, I have been on the list for a while, and rarely post, but was wondering if anyone knows of any chung do kwan schools in Florida. (as the topic suggests) I live in the Venice/Sarasota Area (80 miles south of tampa). So far I have only found a couple in Tampa, the rest are scattered around the state (with a big hole in my area). If anyone has any ideas, it would be appreciated. My current school teaches mainly a show or performance art, and I find it lacking in challenge. Thanks, Craig --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest