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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1800 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Six Minute Mile, etc. (Bert Edens) 2. Re: bunk hapkdio - HKD is an art, not an add on (ABurrese@aol.com) 3. Age & Martial Arts (Texatc@aol.com) 4. stepping and counters (Stephen Petermann) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 16:46:10 -0600 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Bert Edens Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Six Minute Mile, etc. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net At 15:32 1/7/05, you wrote: >Anyway I was making an analogy that if you could jog for a continuous >mile you could do 3 2 minute rounds of sparring. I couldn't do a 6 >minute mile to save my life so I agree 6 minutes is fast. >Stay young, >MC Greetings, all... Then there's those of that could easily spar 3 (or more) 2 minute rounds with different opponents, but wouldn't dare touch that long run business... With my build (6'3" / 300#), I'm not built for that long-term high impact on the joints caused by running... But sparring and other things I have no problem with, even though they are highly aerobic... I guess it depends on the type of activity... :) **bows** - Bert Edens, II Dan Springdale, Arkansas --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 17:55:40 -0500 From: ABurrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: bunk hapkdio - HKD is an art, not an add on Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Freddie writes: <> Michael observes: >>That is a very valid point and quite observant. Michael Tomlinson<<< I agree, and it reminds of an article I posted here a long time ago and have on my web page. I'll re-post it here, since it is still relevant. Hapkido is a Complete Art - Not an Add On by Alain Burrese Often I hear the comment, “Oh, we do Hapkido too,” from someone who trains in TKD or some other art. The problem is not with people who have trained in more than one art, but in that many places teach a few joint locks and hoshinsul techniques from a Hapkido curriculum, and then claim they “do” or “teach” Hapkido too. It seems that these people do not realize the fact that Hapkido is a complete martial art, and not something you just “add” onto another style. The schools I trained at in Korea were Hapkido schools, and Hapkido schools only. Hapkido was not a few joint locks added on the side, but the complete martial art that it is, including training in breathing, falling, blocking, striking, kicking, joint locks, throws, forms, weapons, and more. We did Hapkido every class, every day. (And for me, it was two classes a day Monday through Friday and then one on Saturday) To advance through the ranks of Hapkido, you must train in all these areas. I do not have anything against a TKD instructor who wants to teach some joint locks or self-defense techniques from Hapkido to help his students be better martial artists and more rounded. But it should be called what it is. “We practice some techniques from Hapkido,” not “We do Hapkido too,” and advertising as a Hapkido school. There really is a big difference in adding a few things on, and training at a Hapkido school where that is all they do. Now there are some people that have earned the rank in both arts and can teach both. The programs will be different, and not really interchangeable, since a TKD class and HKD class are different, since they are different arts with different emphasizes. And it is interesting that so many TKD schools add HKD, where I have not seen a HKD school that added TKD. I’m not knocking TKD, but it is sort of interesting, don’t you think? And it is TKD schools that seem to “add HKD on” the most. If you are a TKD instructor, and you teach some Hapkido techniques that you have learned in the self-defense or hoshinsul portion of your class, great. Just be sure to let your students know that these are just a portion of what you would learn in a Hapkido program. If you want to learn Hapkido, I recommend a Hapkido program, not just a little added on to something else. The Hapkido program should have its own curriculum and teach all of the things listed above. Note, a school can have a TKD program and a separate Hapkido program, and if you go to both you will find they are quite different, or at least they should be. Or, as I did in Korea , and as you can do elsewhere too, you can go to a school that is Hapkido only. The main thing is to realize that Hapkido is a complete art and not just the addition of a couple joint locks and throws to something else. Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Texatc@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:10:17 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Age & Martial Arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net G' Day, All! I have been "lurking" for several months and have appreciated and learned from the many and varied submissions. With regard to age, I feel it is time to comment. I am 72 years old and will be testing for the first Dan in Tae Kwon Do in a couple of months. I started for exercise, which my cholesterol and triglyceride levels told me I desperately needed. The effect on my blood chemistry has been astounding. However, I have become totally addicted to the Art and am fascinated by the history and philosophy of TKD. The grace of the movements and the emphasis on respect, discipline and meditation have all combined to make this a wonderful experience for me; I only wish I had started decades ago. I am not as quick as many of the younger members, nor do I have quite their endurance. Even so, I can "hold my own" with most of them and am in much better shape than many. My Kwan Jang Nim is a wonderful teacher and exudes enthusiasm on my behalf; he and his staff constantly encourage me, stressing that "Success comes in cans; failure comes in can'ts". Even at this point, Kwan Jang Nim Han is planning my preparation for the second Dan, in a couple of years. I feel a deep sense of gratitude for being allowed to participate in this very special way of life. Age is no barrier; attitude and encouragement are everything Sincerely, Ashley Coopland Longmeadow MA --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Stephen Petermann" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 17:46:23 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] stepping and counters Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Tomlinson, I agree with you that Master Connard is awesome. Thank you for the compliments. I will contact you next time my travels take me to Florida. Likewise know that you are welcome at my school. I love sharing and comparing with other MA's. On stepping and counters: IMO most attacks, including Hapkido's, require particular steps to obtain position, and/or create momentum for an application of force. Counters to attack may; interfere with initiation, deny beneficial position, harvest the momentum, or dissipate the force. I think of Hapkido as a lovely collection of counters, even to itself. My Dan students don't worry too much about "stepping". We can't assume that an attack will come when we are in the correct stance. Gup training is about learning basic movement and position. Dan training becomes more "dealing with it", and obtaining the desired position, regardless of the position at the start. BTW, since I have no Master students yet, I don't claim the GM title. Steve >GM Petermann I would love to get the opportunity to work out and pick your Hapkido brain someday. GM Connard has told me about you on a few occasions and has nothing to say but great things. I am certain your Hapkido knowledge and training is top notch. If you ever visit Florida please let me know and we can get together if you are so inclined, you are always welcome wherever we are.< I also think and correct me if I am wrong GM Petermann but your last post kind of made me think that you have a certain stepping pattern that you do on your counter techniques.... I would love to hear you elaborate on this.. having had the pleasure of working out with Les Connard on a couple occasions I know that the Jang Mu Won Hapkido GM's know a lot about teaching and movement... I could listen to Les talk about his movement and strategy for days... he is awesome.. Michael Tomlinson< --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest