Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 03:03:38 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #14 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1800 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Master J.R. West Hapkido Seminar (Thomas Gordon) 2. Distance to school (Bluevette70@aol.com) 3. aikido (Bob Hartley) 4. Re: Real Hapkido (Bruce Sims) 5. Would you? (J R Hilland) 6. RE: real hapkido (J R Hilland) 7. Korean matial arts in or near Watertown New York (buddy hayslip) 8. Re: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #13 - 7 msgs / Dave & your McDojang (Gag1407@cs.com) 9. Feeling is believing (Sharon Tkach) 10. Re: Would You? (Art VanVranken) 11. USSSA Taekwondo in Georgia (Charles Richards) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Master J.R. West Hapkido Seminar Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:18:29 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Longton, I notified our students tonight regarding the seminar. Two of the guys from our school remembered last year and intend to be there again. That was a great time! We'll see ya on the 19th of February. Thomas Gordon Florida -----Original Message----- From: Pclongton@aol.com [mailto:Pclongton@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 3:03 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Master J.R. West Hapkido Seminar Precision Martial Arts of Navarre, FL will host Master J.R. West for a day of Hapkido seminars on Saturday, February 19th 2005. Events as follows: Time Event 1000-1200 Juniors seminar (ages 8-12) $34 1200-1230 Demonstration 1230-1330 Lunch 1330-1800 Adults seminar (13 and older) $59 Register by 5 February (late registration add $10). Navarre is located on the Florida panhandle (on the beach!) between Pensacola and Ft. Walton Beach. Travel tip- Plan to spend the night and enjoy the beach- still beautiful even after Hurricane Ivan! Contact Calvin longton at (850) 936-8112 or email PCLongton@aol.com for registration form and further information. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1800 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:57:22 -0500 From: Bluevette70@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Distance to school Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello this is my first time responding. I've been a lurker for some time. I just wanted to respond to Mr. Bishop, who said,"I wish we had a real hapkido school around my hometown". I travel almost 1 hour (one way) to my school, United Hapkido Academy, in Nashville,TN 2 sometimes 3 times a week. Go to the school if its as good as mine you'll make the trip. Thanks Dave --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Bob Hartley To: CC: Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 8:17:21 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] aikido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Brian, your question shows that you realize that there are different aikido organizations, just as there are TSD, HKD, TKD... The spectrum runs from what I call "touchy-feely" aikido, where you are expected to just go with the technique, even if it wasn't done effectively, to a "harder" style of aikido (more along the lines of aiki jutsu and/or hapkido.) And, even within each organization you can find variations between instructors. I study with an independent aikido instructor, who also happens to be the unarmed self defense instructor for the Dept. of Corrections. We have a couple guys in class who work for the sheriff's dept. in their county, in the jail. Between them, and past students, we know that what we do does work. But, the goal is more control/compliance as opposed to injury. I have worked out with schools in other states (Washington and California, in particular) and their version seemed less effective- to me. Again, this is an opinion based on my experiences. If you stated what your experience is in hapkido, I missed it. Depending on your level, you could watch an aikido class and get a good idea if it was one you were interested in, and actually getting on the matt would be the ideal way to see if it meets your requirements. I hope this helps- if you have additional questions, I'll try to answer them. Best wishes! Bob ----------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] real hapkido Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:42:44 -0500 From: "Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am in the same boat as you Fred. No Hapkido schools in the Charleston, SC area. My schedule doesn't facilitate a lot of traveling. I think the closest thing here would be Aikido. I have posted before asking some of the list members if they had any experience in Aikido; and what organizations within the Aikido community that they felt were the "real deal". So I will post this question again. I plan to study Aikido in addition to TKD. I do not know anyone in Aikido and would appreciate any tips or caveats with respect to organizations and what I should look for in an Aikido school. Please email me privately if you feel it is necessary. Thank you in advance; Brian Woodard bwoodard@sc.rr.com brian.woodard@us.bosch.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 05:34:57 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Sims To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Real Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Freddie: "....... I wish we had a real hapkido school around my hometown, within 35 miles. The closest hapkido school that I would trust as real is in Fort Wayne,IN. I have never been there to see for myself, but Master West has done seminars there before, so I think its a safe bet that the people running that dojang are the real deal. Its too bad real hapkido cannot be adequately perfected in a short amount of time, say four years or I would seriously consider making the two hour round trip voyage to Fort Wayne and then open up a real hapkido dojang in my own town. For now I'll stick with the "judo only" dojo in Marion,IN. At least I know I'm getting what I'm paying for......" Before I say anything at all, please know that this post is not a rip at you or your take on Hapkido. I am responding to your post because it has the tenor of many similar posts I have read here and other places. So I am sharing a few thoughts relative to that, rather than to you particular content, 'kay? For me, Hapkido is not something a person tries to see what its "like". I am sure the commerce-minded folks reading this may take issue, but thats something else. For myself I don't have time to spend convincing a person that what I teach is good for them and that they will be the better for participating in a class or seminar. I figure if I have to "sell" what I do, or motivate them to train, their are simply a spectator at heart waiting for the first opportunity to excuse themselves. For this reason, I believe that a person who studies Hapkido will pay what necessary in time, money and effort to study. There are people in Chicago who travel half-way across the State and sometimes half-way across the country to watch a ballgame--- on a regular basis. The art I practice is worth at least that kind of dedication. As far as teaching goes, we also might have different ideas on what that entails. If you are thinking of opening a study group for Hapkido, thats a fine thing to do. You locate a mentor who will oversee it and you act on his behalf when he is not there. You do not teach as much as he gives you material to work on while he is not there. Hapkido is not like TKD where martial sport schools pop-up like mushrooms everytime somebody gets their cho-dan. The idea that was mentioned of a 2nd dan "leaving a school" to two first dans is ludicrous. In there hearts everyone knows that an individual needs to have a significant amount of experience to run a school. This is usually reflected in his rank. In an effort to expedite the propagation of schools to build organizations people have been known to cut corners in promotions. We know that folks do this in Hapkido, too, but its usually frowned on and gets derided when it happens. If I had to pick a theme for this post as I close it out, it would simply be this. Want to study Hapkido?---- well and good. Want to teach Hapkido?--- even better. But whether you train and teach or just train, I suggest you do it the right way. Its a long, narrow and arduous path and there are no corners to cut--- just hard work and a life of giving. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:24:27 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Would you? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> I wouldn't walk, but run away from any dojang or organization that does not treat adults like adults. A dojang is no place for verbal or physical abuse. That is not what we are about. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "J R Hilland" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] real hapkido Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:37:53 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It is not the school, not the art, but the teacher who you should look into. With that said, main stream aikido in the US is with the USAF (United States Aikido Federation) run by Yamada Yoshimitsu out of New York (www.usaikifed.com). There are as many organizations in aikido as in any other MA and the emphasis on what they study is different, like the ki society or AAA. Good info sites are www.aikidojournal.com and www.aikidofaq.com. As with any new school, go tryout or watch a class and look at the skill level of the students who have been there about 2 months, chances are, that is what your technique will look like in 2 months. One last comment - the young ones will tell you if you have experience and rank in one MA that it will be easy for you to learn technique and get rank in another art. The wise elder ones will tell you the exact opposite is actually true.... <<>> --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "buddy hayslip" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:03:42 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean matial arts in or near Watertown New York Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am moving to the Watertown area and am looking to start training in the Korean Martial arts, preferably Hopkido. Does anyone know of a training facility in this area? Thanks --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Gag1407@cs.com Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:46:15 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #13 - 7 msgs / Dave & your McDojang Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dave, sounds like you found your basic "McDojang" I agree you need a change, but maybe not a new art maybe just a new school or organization. Don't write off TKD from this one experience. Remember, "There are no bad Martial Arts, just bad Martial Artists." Good luck in your search and keep training. Greg --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Sharon Tkach" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:04:38 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Feeling is believing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Loretta writes: >This is just a comment about how looks can be very deceiving ... I have >trained at a seminar with an Instructor who was over 80 years old. By all >appearances, he SURE couldn't "hold his own" in a fight. In fact, early on >during his demo (before the seminar), there were a couple of studly, manly >man guys who were making that observation, thinking he could not hear them. > They were saying "I'd just punch him off in his head", just short of >making fun of him, that sort of thing. Low and behold, one of those studly >guys suddenly became uke ... all I can say is OUCH!!!!! While certainly >any able bodied young person could run from this 80+ year old instructor, >you'd better not make the mistake of touching him; trust me on that. < Yep, I was there. Said young man returned from the hospital later in the day with a broken hand from the encounter. One hopes he learned from it. While disrespect is never acceptable, it's not uncommon for those who have never experienced joint locks to be skeptical of what they perceive as slight motions producing an extreme reaction from the partner. Becoming the recipient brings them quickly to enlightenment. ;-) ~Sharon --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:49:34 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Art VanVranken" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Would You? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sounds like you were at a Mc Dojang. My first school was the same, except for 1 1/2 Years to Black Belt sounds pretty scary. Ours was 4- 5 years. Only so as to keep their cash flowing. TKD is good when taught by someone who cares about the Art it self. [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of IMSTP.gif] [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type Image/jpeg which had a name of BackGrnd.jpg] --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:27:34 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: Dojang Digest Cc: Karate Kids , TKDGroup Subject: [The_Dojang] USSSA Taekwondo in Georgia Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear athletes, coaches, officials and school owners, Join me in welcoming USSSA Taekwondo to Georgia and the Southeast. In Georgia we will have three events before nationals. 1. An Enrollment event coupled with a hands on coaches/officials clinic in Holly Springs, GA 3/19/05 (email me privately for the pdf flyer). 2. The Georgia State Qualifier on 4/23/05 in Woodstock, GA. Direct your browser to http://www.tourneyreg.com/ to register online or email me privately for the flyer. This event includes USSSA membership if you register by 2/19/05. Officials will be reimbursed for their officials certification if they work the entire day of the Qualifier. 3. The Third Annual Moja Kwan Invitational on 6/4/05 in Roswell, GA Direct your browser to http://www.tourneyreg.com/ to register online or email me privately for the flyer. Also bookmark www.usssa.com and keep watching for other events in the southeast and details about USSSA nationals. Yours in martial spirit, Charles Richards --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest