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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1800 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. the squat / pushup workout (Howard Spivey) 2. Re: Hapkido School (Bruce Sims) 3. Aikido and TKD (Robert Frankovich) 4. Kick to Chest (intercoastal muscle) (Bareli, Sol) 5. S.Korea Court Upholds IOC Exec Sentence (Ray Terry) 6. Active clubs must have bigger say (Ray Terry) 7. Teaching (Charles Richards) 8. Former soldier buries past tragedy teaching taekwondo (Ray Terry) 9. more on the disgraced Kim Un-yong (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Howard Spivey" To: Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:31:49 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] the squat / pushup workout Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net just a brief response to the excellent post (by craig stovall, i believe) about that little workout of nothing but 10 squats and 5 pushups, repeated, for 20 minutes... that concept interested me so much that i've tried it twice this week. first of all, i'm amazed at how winded you get from only 10 squats and 5 pushups with no weights, as you repeat the sequence. second, as you all might guess, my quads had so much lactic acid in them the second day after the first workout that i could hardly bend at the knees... it was like the feeling you get if you lay off running for weeks or months, then go out and run a couple of hard miles. craig, here's a question for you... since i've always done pushups as a general body exercise, and can usually do 50 honest-to-goodness pushups without pause on a good day, i upped the pushup count from 5 to 6... which seems like nothing... but after 2 of these workouts the muscles in the very front of my shoulders (the deltoid?) are killing me from the lactic acid buildup... i really don't understand this at all. could it have anything to do with the pace and intensity you use in the pushup sequence? anyway, thanks again for a great idea for something different to get the heart going... all the best, howard --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 04:44:45 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Sims To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hapkido School Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Rich: ".....Make sure you interview the instructors you find there, ask questions, if you find one that is from Texas, ask him what happened to all the people in Texas he left hanging, disappointed, confused, uneducated and disillusioned about their entire martial arts experience. Then try to find a reputable school that isn't just in it for the money......" I just wanted to say "thank you" for making the contribution that you did. Without getting into a whole Wagnerian Opera about it, I was happy to see someone taking a moment to publicly help "police our own". You didn't use any names, or go into a lot of minute detail, but you were considerate enough to let another person know to be careful. I thought the way you handled it was just about right. Sometime back there was an animated discussion about KMA instructors getting certified or licensed by the state and one common thread-response was that we KMA practitioners could "police" our own. The fear was that people would start doing a lot of "back-biting" and "back-stabbing" if that happened. My sense is that if the responses are right about the way you handled it, information can be shared without stepping across the line into "character assassination". FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:18:00 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Frankovich To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Aikido and TKD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I understand the points mentioned because my first Aikido promotion test was after 10 years of TKD (3rd Dan) and when the randori started, the first thing I wanted to do was front kick the first attacker. But I do disagree kinda. I think that training in a 2nd or 3rd art is necessary to become a complete martial artist. This training shouldn't begin until the student is an advanced rank (1st Gup or higher) in one art first. This helps the student develop proper techniques and a solid basis before challenging themselves further. My Aikido training has greatly improved my TKD. I udnerstand the power within techniques better for both my aplication and defending against them. I guess that my qualifier for training in another art would be that you must learn the WHOLE art and not just pieces. Become a student of the martial arts, rather than someone who learns technique and tries to use it. Again, just an opinion. Thanks. Rob > From: freddie bishop > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] Aikido and TKD > > Dear Mr. Woodard > Regarding Training in both TKD and Aikido, I > would > pick one or the other. The two arts are like > opposites. Yes, hapkido uses strikes and kicks, but > from what I've seen from "real" hapkidoists, those > techniques are executed a little different from TKD. > The tactics are also different, as well as the > philosophy towards those tactics. If you practiced > both I would think you would have a difficult time > changing mental modes. The judo/karate equation > works > the same, thats how I came up with the opinion > above. > Just my experience and two cents worth. > > Fred __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Bareli, Sol" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:03:11 -0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Kick to Chest (intercoastal muscle) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Few days ago I received a 'light' through the chest protector into my right side, middle rib cage. I don't think I have any hairline fructure on a rib, but just wanted to know if anybody had a similar experience with pain in the intercoastal muscle. 1) How long it lasts 2) Can I continue after few days while the pain is reduced but not gone 3) Any special exercises to strenthen that area. 4) anything else ... 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Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. ============================================================================== --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:53:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] S.Korea Court Upholds IOC Exec Sentence Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=411586 SEOUL, South Korea Jan 14, 2005 Suspended IOC vice president Kim Un-yong's two-year prison term for embezzlement and bribery charges was upheld by South Korea's Supreme Court on Friday. [snip] --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:04:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Active clubs must have bigger say Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net New Straits Times Malaysia's Premier Newspaper Online SPORTCHECK: Active clubs must have bigger say By S. Selvam Jan 14, 2005 Principle: To ensure that they get more voting rights The more active the club, the higher the number of votes. This, as far as Olympic Council of Malaysia (OCM) president Tunku Imran Tuanku Ja'afar (pic) is concerned, is the principle behind the amendments to the Malaysian Taekwondo Association (MTA) constitution to give clubs voting rights. The amendment, however, is not a blanket approval to give all clubs voting rights. "The general principle behind the whole process is to give active clubs a say in the running of the sport," said Tunku Imran after launching Astro's 'Home of Sports' in Kuala Lumpur yesterday. Astro, who are an official sponsor of the OCM, announced several new sports channels with the aim of providing the best and most comprehensive sports coverage in the country. "The more active the club or affiliate, the higher the number of votes. However, the criteria to ensure only active clubs are rewarded with voting rights must be established. "It (amendment) does not mean all clubs must be given the right to vote." Sports Minister Datuk Azalina Othman Said, on Tuesday, endorsed the recommendation from the Sports Advisory Panel (SAP) to amend MTA's constitution to give clubs direct affiliation to the national body and voting rights. Previously, clubs were not given voting rights and the constitution was amended to bar clubs from seeking direct affiliation to MTA as well. "The SAP have recommended some criteria and OCM are ever willing to advise MTA on how to come up with the voting mechanism," added Tunku Imran who is also a member of the SAP. "It could be based on 'x' number of membership, number of activities, number of national exponents produced and performance in the national and international circuit. "For instance, if there is a club with 100 members and with very little activity as compared to a club which has 1,000 members and a lot of activity, I believe, the latter should be given more voting rights. "As such, the amendments are to ensure active clubs are rewarded by way of voting rights. Otherwise, you will have a situation where an inactive club, with few members and without any performance to speak of, will have the same clout as an active affiliate." And what about the State associations? "Well, we want them to play the role of supporting the clubs, not as a governing body," said Tunku Imran. "Sometimes the clubs are active but not the State association. And in such cases, the clubs don't have a say." But not after MTA's constitution is amended. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:32:59 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Teaching Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Wading right in on teaching at Cho Dan I started at Cho Dan Bo (BB candidate) because I moved 2 hours from my instructor and She and the Regional director told me my assignment was to start a school in that town, which I did. Yes each school I started got better in some ways Yes my students learn in a more efficient manner than my students when I was first dan because I am getting better through experience. At the time I took my Cho Dan I had 6 years in the martial arts (3 in Jhoon Rhee TKD and 3 as a transfer in TSD). Over the years I have come to understand that teaching, business sense and technical expertise are in the same toolbox but used for different things. You will need all three to help the most people with sharing your martial arts experience. I am essentially a third generation teacher as is my sister (college professor). I'll be the first to say I'm a better coach than player. I know some young cho dans and e dans that have a reasonable amount of business sense that have excellent schools that have even produced a few quality blackbelts in 2.5 to 4 years. So I guess I'm on the side that says rank and technical expertise are not the only ingredients to a good instructor. Dismounting soap box, MC --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:25:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Former soldier buries past tragedy teaching taekwondo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Former soldier buries past tragedy teaching taekwondo JoongAng Daily January 15, 2005 DANANG, Vietnam When Jeong Yong-san first came to Vietnam in 1975, he was a soldier in the Blue Dragon unit dispatched from South Korea as an ally of the United States. The Vietnam War was coming to an end, but large and small battles kept breaking out in this city in central Vietnam. Civilians as well as soldiers were being killed or wounded, and Mr. Jeong was in the middle of the bloodbath. Locals shunned any kind of contact with Koreans like him. The war ended, and Mr. Jeong came back home. Danang, however, had already become a part of his life by then. Decades later, in 2001, he returned there, this time as a coach of taekwondo, the Korean traditional martial art. Mr. Jeong, now 50, has been a good taekwondo athlete since his youth, and he thought the sport could contribute to healing the scars of the past among Danang residents. So he went back to Danang in September 2001, only to find a cold reception. He offered to teach and train a taekwondo team for the city, which was curtly turned down, with athletes saying they'd never accept a Korean coach. Locals even took turns keeping an eye on Mr. Jeong. An old man in his 70s came up to him and spoke threateningly, saying, "If you don't leave right now, you'll regret it." But leaving Danang was the last thing Mr. Jeong wanted to do. >From then on, Mr. Jeong made efforts to make friends and win over the locals. He invited them to his house to try traditional Korean food. He appeared on a local TV show, performing taekwondo feats such as smashing bricks. He even treated locals with traditional Korean medical remedies. The deep-rooted hatred began to melt away with these efforts. In June 2003, Mr. Jeong finally was offered the job of coach for the city's team. He also taught the Korean language and traditional music, as well as taekwando, for free. But it didn't take long for him to find that he had a lot to do. The team was in bad shape, with poor performances producing low morale. No athlete made it through the tryouts for the national contest that year, so Mr. Jeong began to drill them the Korean way. He first taught the athletes basic Korean to have them feel the true spirit of the sport. He also had them practice for one hour before taking a five-minute break; they used to take rests practically every five minutes. After about a year, Mr. Jeong's efforts started to pay off. Danang took third place in the national taekwondo competition for the first time since the launch of the team. The ceremony in which the team received medals was aired live on television, and Mr. Jeong is now a beloved star of Danang, with his class of more than 20 athletes. Mr. Jeong said, "For a long time I had been carrying this big burden in my mind, but I feel relief now, which I owe completely to taekwondo." by Jeong Gang-hyun --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:30:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] more on the disgraced Kim Un-yong Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Court supports conviction of IOC VP Fri, 14 Jan 2005 CBC Sports Kim Un-yong soon could become the highest-ranking International Olympic Committee member to be kicked out of the organization. In a final legal verdict, South Korea's Supreme Court on Friday upheld a two-year prison term for the suspended IOC president. The 73-year-old Kim was sentenced last June following his conviction on charges of embezzling $3.8 million from the World Taekwondo Federation, the World Taekwondo Headquarters and $811,265 of money donated by South Korea's Samsung Electronics Co. "Since Mr. Kim failed to give convincing and rational explanations on why he drew the money and how he spent it, it can be inferred that he used the public money for personal purposes," the Supreme Court said in its verdict. Kim, who had been out on parole since October after experiencing health problems, will now return to jail. Kim said his future with the IOC and General Association of International Sports Federations, a Monaco-based umbrella body that he headed, would be discussed at a later date. Friday's ruling will be noted by the IOC's ethics commission, which is investigating Kim and could recommend to the executive board that he be expelled from the IOC. Such a decision would require a two-thirds vote from the more than 100-member IOC general assembly. In the past, IOC president Jacques Rogge has said the organization has a "zero tolerance for corruption." The IOC is scheduled to meet Feb. 10-11 in Turin, Italy. In a statement, Kim proclaimed his innocence and called the charges "baseless and politically motivated." An Appeals Court ruling in September ordered Kim to serve two years in jail. He also was fined $913,400 on corruption charges. Last summer, he was accused of deflating South Korea's bid for the 2010 Winter Games due to his own aspirations of becoming IOC president. Vancouver was awarded the Games with South Korea's Pyeongchang finishing second. In January, he stepped down from the World Taekwondo Federation, World Taekwondo Headquarters and surrendered his seat in parliament. The IOC stripped Kim of all his Olympic duties on Jan. 23, while awaiting investigations by South Korean authorities and the IOC ethics commission. Four days later, Kim was arrested. In June, Korea Sports Council vice-chairman Choue Chung-won replaced the disgraced IOC vice-president as the head of the World Taekwondo Federation. An IOC member since 1986, Kim used his influence to help South Korea land the 1988 Seoul Olympics and swayed the IOC to approve taekwondo as a medal event for the 2000 Olympics in Sydney. with files from Associated Press --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest