Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 03:05:16 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #28 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: substitue for HWA RANG DO (TAE SOO DO) (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:00:42 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] tuition and leaning an art Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Tuition: Most (not all) dojang I have seen in my life time fit into one of 3 areas: 1) Commercial dojang: The student yudanja pays tuition unless they teach, then they get paid. 2) Commercial dojang: The student yudanja does not pay tuition, only testing fees if they teach. If not, they pay tuition like any other student (this is what I did coming up through the dan ranks at my teachers dojang back when)... 3) Not for profit dojang: The whole dojang is a non-profit dojang and no one gets paid (my very first dojang was set up this way). From the outside, these dojang look no different than any other and on occasion, have been one of the biggest ones in the city. However, this practice today is more common in arts such as aikido, the many Japanese sword arts, kyudo, etc. Now with that said, there are 2 types of what I am calling "commercial dojang". Those that just want you to sign a contract, pay lots of tuition (different plans of course), or test all the time and become a "black belt". On the other side of the coin, you have people who have a calling and happen to teach their chosen art as a "value added service", a term a priest once used to describe his professional vocation. learning the "lions share" in 5 years: I read the paragraph below and my first thought was that I must associate with different people. But then again, I think that is by choice as I prefer to associate with those that are my seniors. (I am still a student, to quote Master West: "All Martial Artists are beginners; Some of us have just been beginning a little longer)." But I can tell you that that I am always learning new technique in my chosen art of hapkido in armed and unarmed practice. So if you get your chodan in 5 years (our average), and have learned most of the art, why bother? I don't think I would. I would switch to something that could peak my interest for a life time. Just my preference. My students from 20 years ago, would not recognize my technique today. I could not imagine knowing hapkido in 5 years. In fact, I now realize how little I actually knew back then, a lot less then 50% of what I know today. There are so many techniques out there so I have to say that yes, there would be many techniques that they have not seen or been taught at chodan, at least in hapkido, I can't speak for other arts. But chodan is after all, a beginner dan. btw, I am not talking about forms, kicks, blocks or strikes. But then again, there is the story of the fellow who spent 10 years on kicks, 10 years on strikes, 10 years on blocks, etc... There are also many techniques that I do not teach students until they are chodan as they are simply not able to perform them yet, with any positive result or without injury. This is common in traditional hapkido. <<>> Jere R. Hilland, Fargo, ND www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com The warriors are dedicated to protecting the peacemakers. The peacemakers are dedicated to eliminating the need for warriors. Both professions are honorable. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 08:13:01 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] oops Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.aztaekwondo.com/Videos/oops_kick.mpg --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Dugy" To: Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:21:02 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD @ 57 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello, I want to thank all of you, for writing me individually and here in the digest. Your suggestions are all taken into account and I will do what I can to exercise accordingly without stress. Thank very much, I will do my best.. Best regards, Doug Macduff --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:51:28 -0700 From: "Jay O'Connor" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] oops Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye nigma wrote: > http://www.aztaekwondo.com/Videos/oops_kick.mpg I was impressed that the guy who got kicked was moved back but otherwise just seemed not affected by it Take care, Jay --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:18:32 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] oops To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net lol...yeah looked pretty weak. Jye Jay O'Connor wrote: Jye nigma wrote: > http://www.aztaekwondo.com/Videos/oops_kick.mpg I was impressed that the guy who got kicked was moved back but otherwise just seemed not affected by it Take care, Jay _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1800 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: randallrosa@comcast.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:19:15 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] substitue for HWA RANG DO (TAE SOO DO) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I've trained in West Los Angeles off and on for many years in Hwa Rang Do (Tae Soo Do). I love the art, but the teaching style was a little too negative, bordering on militant at times. At the end of a hard days work, thats the last thing I really needed. Just a little too much "martial" for my taste. Im looking for a similar style, so everything I have learned could be of benefit. I would like to train on the westside of Los Angeles. TIA randall --__--__-- Message: 7 From: <1@msfencing.org> To: Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:21:46 -0600 Organization: 1@msfencing.org Subject: [The_Dojang] The Ladder of Success Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I just read the following post from an unnamed person on another list and thought I'd post it over here. ------- The Ladder of Success Dr. John Ng, a well-known kung-fu grandmaster, once said, "Many people training today in martial arts are like the person who begins to climb a ladder, while setting fire to the bottom of this ladder. He sets the fire so there is no way but up. Which then forces him to climb very fast. He reaches the platform or level above, only to find there is another level beyond the one reached. He now needs to pull up the ladder to climb higher, but to his dismay, finds his ladder burned and gone. He is now at a certain level yet cannot go higher, because he cannot go lower." The ladder and its rungs represent the basics which have been proven to work time and time again. These basics come from a time when people faced the threat of death every day. I am not opposed to creating new methods, but often we discard old ideas for the sake of the latest invention. And we do this without proof that the latest method has any merit. ------- Blessings, Rez Johnson "Standing guard on old, forgotten roads, that no one travels anymore." THE FENCING MASTER by Arturo Perez Rez Johnson, M d'A Headmaster: Mississippi Academy of Arms (Mississippi Fencing Academy) President: United States Traditional Fencing Association Certified Fencing Instructor: (USTFA, TFI, AAI, USFCA) Certified Fencing Master Apprentice: (USTFA, USFCA) Teaching Classical Fencing and Historical Swordsmanship since 1980 Modern Sport Fencing Coach 1980 - 2002 Mississippi Academy of Arms P.O. Box 955 Pelahatchie, MS 39145-0955 E-Mail: 1@MSFencing.org Academy Website: http://MSFencing.org USTFA Website: http://traditionalfencing.org --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:32:48 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Robert Hartley Subject: [The_Dojang] passing of Seung Ook Choi Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net SEUNG OOK CHOI Old Orchard Beach Maine Grandmaster Seung Ook Choi passed away on Wednesday, January 12, 2005. The founder of Choi Shin Do, a practical and progressive system of self-defense, Master Choi is an important member of the Maine community and the international martial arts world. Master Choi was born in South Korea in 1947. The son of Won Wha Choi and Soon Ja Le, both of his parents came from prominent families of provincial governors. His childhood was marked by difficulty and privation caused by the Korean War. His mother died of typhoid fever when he was four years old; his father was interned as a POW in North Korea. He overcame many hardships to become a world-renowned fighter and martial arts instructor. Having earned a full scholarship, Master Choi was educated at Kyung Hee College, Korea’s prestigious national sports academy. He played on the national soccer team and was a champion full-contact fighter, winning the Korean National Tae Kwon Do championship four years in a row and reigning as the All-Asian kick-boxing champion from 1969 to 1972. He had a distinguished government career as a trainer of Korean Army Special Forces and instructor to the personal bodyguards of the Korean President. Master Choi’s greatest accomplishments were as a teacher­of the physical aspects of self-defense as well as practical philosophy and ethics. He passed on lessons from his own life, teaching students the discipline to turn adversity into success. An expert in a variety of Asian martial arts and weapons, he was recruited to serve as master instructor to the Maine Karate Association and invited to the United States in 1976. Two years later, he opened his landmark school on Congress Street in Portland. In 2000, he renamed the school and moved the Choi Institute of Martial Arts and Sciences to new, state-of-the-art facilities on Veranda Street. In his career as a martial arts instructor, he trained champions in Tae Kwon Do, boxing, kickboxing, grappling, and vale tudo. His accomplishments as an educator were honored with the 2000 Maine Governor’s Council on Fitness and Sports Award and the 2004 Jefferson Award for community service in education and literacy. He is survived by his two children, Yoon and Won; his sister, Nam Sook Choi; and his fiancée, Sandra Michaud of Springvale. A funeral mass will be held at St. Patrick’s Church in Portland on Saturday, January 22 at 11:00 AM. Arrangements are through the Lafrance-Lambert & Black Funeral Home, 29 Winter Street, Sanford. Donations on behalf of Master Choi may be made to the American Cancer Society, 1 Main Street Suite 160B, Topsham, ME 04086. To leave the family a message of concolence, please visit www.lafrancelambert.com. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] substitue for HWA RANG DO (TAE SOO DO) To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:34:30 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I've trained in West Los Angeles off and on for many years in Hwa Rang > Do (Tae Soo Do). I love the art, but the teaching style was a little > too negative, bordering on militant at times. At the end of a hard days > work, thats the last thing I really needed. Just a little too much > "martial" for my taste. > > Im looking for a similar style, so everything I have learned could be > of benefit. I would like to train on the westside of Los Angeles. Are you close to GM Bong Soo Han's Hapkido school in Santa Monica (Santa Monica Blvd)? HwaRangDo is essentially a form of Hapkido. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest