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Black Belt Test (Charles Richards) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:05:24 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Shaolin monk vsTKD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.blacktaoist.com/Shaolin%20Vs%20Taekwondo.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! – What will yours do? --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:06:45 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] soft style Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Someone writes: <>> Only if you have new mats!!!!! Michael Tomlinson --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:24:38 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD demo team Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.taepoong.de/downloads/TKD_image_trailer.wmv --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:54:33 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] WTF News Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net WTF Launches New World TKD Chongwon Choue, the new World Taekwondo Federation president elected June 11 in Inchon, South Korea, has marked the beginning of his post by publicly stating his vision for Tae Kwon Do in the 21st century. He calls it a “New World Taekwondo Movement” and it encompasses administrative changes, improvements to the martial art/sport, strengthening leadership to promote Tae Kwon Do’s worldwide growth, implementing and building a “Tae Kwon Do Mecca,” and the development of global youth programs. A WTF Solidarity Fund has been set up for donations to implement the new programs. Mr. Choue started the fund raising drive by personally giving $500,000 to the fund. When donations reach the two million mark, the WTF will begin implementation of the projects. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:58:30 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Indian Clubs??? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net CLUB SWINGINGAn Ancient Restorative Art for the Modern Martial Artist By Edward Thomas, Ed.D. Combine today's understanding of human motion with the wisdom of ancient martial artists, and you get a powerful force that stimulates both mind and body. Martial artists past and present have stressed the importance of complementing external power with internal harmony. This balance between restorative and martial arts remains an essential thread running through the fabric of both Eastern and Western martial arts philosophy. Martial arts are often defined as techniques that allow for appropriate responses to external aggression. Restorative arts bring the body toward its optimal state of harmony and compensate for the stresses of daily life. These two concepts are integrally related, and both have roots in Western as well as Eastern physical culture. The search for and celebration of these common roots and relationships allows the martial artist to better understand the universal principles that unite all fighting systems. The rediscovery and growing popularity of Indian clubs may well be the decade's most interesting development concerning modern restorative and martial arts in American culture. The clubs originated in the East, but they came to America from Europe. The story of their evolution, disappearance, and rediscovery in American society is intriguing, and the amazing effect of their practical application is relevant to any martial arts system. Indian clubs are usually made of wood and resemble either club-like weapons or bowling pins. At one time, they lined the walls of our gymnasia, and countless Americans swung them in marvelous and complicated circular patterns that stimulated the brain and invigorated the body. BRIEF HISTORY... The clubs originated centuries ago in India. They were developed by soldiers, police, and others whose caste required strength, agility, balance, physical prowess, and martial arts skill. British officers involved in the annexation of India were surprised to find the natives marvelously expert in swinging clubs in various graceful and fantastic motions, and they noted that besides the great recommendation of simplicity the Indian club practice possesses the essential property of expanding the chest and exercising every muscle of the body concurrently. (Spalding, p.77) The British brought the Indian clubs to Europe where the Germans and Czechs eventually adopted club swinging into their physical training systems. German immigrants brought Indian clubs to the United States in the mid-i 1800, and the clubs were soon introduced into both American school physical education programs and military physical readiness training. The United States Army Manual of Physical Training (1914) notes: The effect of these exercises, when performed with light clubs, is chiefly a neural one, hence they are primary factors in the development of grace and coordination and rhythm. As they tend supple the muscles and articulation of the shoulders and to the upper and fore arms and wrist, they are indicated in cases where there is a tendency toward what is ordinarily known as "muscle bound." (p.113) In 1982, Dio Lewis, a pioneer in American physical culture, included Indian clubs in his system of physical education. He wrote of the clubs: "They cultivate patience and endurance, and operate most happily upon the longitudinal muscles of the back and shoulders, thus tending to correct the habit of stooping (p.171). In 1885, Baron Nils Posse, a Swedish soldier and physical educator, came to America and introduced the Swedish system of medical and military gymnastics. In 1984, his book was published explaining his system, and in it Posse details the difference between lifting dumbbells and swinging clubs. Lifting dumbbells, he explained, adds weight to the lever (this is the commonly practiced linear lifting). Indian clubs, he continued, increase the momentum of the pendulum (this is the circular nature of club swinging). In otherwords, Indian clubs can be described as circular weight training. Posse also called the Indian club the oldest known implement for military gymnastics and related it to the broadsword (p.24). Indian clubs gradually disappeared from the American physical education landscape in the first two decades of the 20th century as sports and games replaced the European-based systems of restorative and military exercise. In 1916, Joseph Cermak joined the futile chorus of Indian club defenders in noting: "I have heard, and still hear among the professional men and women unfavorable comments about club exercises, but knowing that there is no other kind of hand apparatus that would admit such a great, almost inexhaustible variety of pleasing exercises as the clubs, believing that the clubs should have a prominent place in educational gymnastics, that by collaboration of mind and muscle in these exercises we can develop the highest degree of co-ordination." (Preface) In the hands of an expert, the powerful flowing motions of the clubs somewhat resemble the patterns of Filipino Kali. This resemblance is probably because the 5th century Indian Sri Vishaya warriors invaded the Philippines and eventually merged culturally with them. The Visayan people of the central Philippines can be traced to the Sri Vishaya culture. In terms of basic movement patterns, the relationship between Kali and Indian club training is best illustrated by comparing Danny Inosanto's (1980) explanation of Kali attack angles (Inosanto) with Warman's illustration of club swinging. Both systems stress flowing circular patterns and the figure-eight motion. MODERN APPLICATIONS... The shoulder girdle is probably the most movable area of the body, but it is also one of the most fragile. Strength of the shoulders should be complemented by flexibility, and the clubs can contribute to both. When the ball and socket joint of the shoulder works in harmony with the elbow and wrist joints, an almost infinite number of circular patterns is possible. The basic club patterns are the foundation of all shoulder girdle movements, including those applicable to martial arts. The key to effective use of the clubs is concentration, precision, and practice. Many if not most Americans do not fully develop their natural shoulder girdle mobility and muscular balance. Ill fitting furniture, poor posture, and our tragically inadequate system of physical education in our nation's schools are among the many cultural factors that keep us from realizing our highest potential. Basic club skills offer a safe and very effective means to regain essential shoulder girdle mobility. More advanced club movements include complicated arm and footwork that contribute to overall agility, timing, and dexterity. The 14th Century French physician Tissot wrote, "movement as such may take the place of many remedies, but all the remedies together can never take the Place of the effect of movement." Tissot was of course referring to rational and natural human motion. In this regard, a humble respect for the past will create a stronger and more productive present and carry us into a strong and secure future. Club swinging was rediscovered several years ago at Northern Illinois University near Chicago. Last year it was introduced into the Cho Kwang Do martial arts system based in Atlanta and the U.S. Army off-duty education fitness leadership program at Fort Benning, Georgia. Club swinging can undoubtedly improve shoulder girdle efficiency, and almost certainly help you become a better martial artist. But maybe more importantly, it is one of those links to the timeless history that binds us to long forgotten martial artists who mastered themselves in order to better fulfill our common challenge to wisely rule this earth. Perhaps the 17th Century philosopher Pascal said it best--"Those we call the ancients were new in everything." CLUB SWINGING VIDEO By Ed Thomas, Ed.D. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 06:12:06 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hoshinkido Hapkido? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Has anyone heard of Hoshinkido Hapkido? If so any thoughts? Jye --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:06:29 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] K.O Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Can you say ....KNOCKED OUT!!!! Look at this: http://home.no.net/tkdtul5/ko.wmv --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' --__--__-- Message: 8 From: kevin_janisse@comcast.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:15:12 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: 1st Dan Test today Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Walt, I wish you well on your test. Nervousness is a normal part of testing. I have been testing for 21 years and still feel a little anxious going into them. If it means something to you and you have worked hard to achieve a passing grade you will most likely be nervous. I have not met many people who do not nervous before tests. Have fun... Sincerley, Kevin Janisse --__--__-- Message: 9 From: To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] K.O Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:45:10 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > From: Jye nigma > Subject: [The_Dojang] K.O > > Can you say ....KNOCKED OUT!!!! Look at this: http://home.no.net/tkdtul5/ko.wmv Can you say dangerous and such things should not be allowed? Rick Clark --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:58:21 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] K.O To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I would think any full contact sport is dangerous. I've seen full contact tournaments where all you wear is a cup and mouthpiece. No punching to the face of course. I think it was a kyokushin (sp?) bout. Jye res1bzbj@verizon.net wrote: Can you say dangerous and such things should not be allowed? Rick Clark --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:05:14 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Black Belt Test Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Maria and Walt, I can still remember by 1st Dan test (14 years ago). After six years of training and a style/school change part of me was really ready to finally be a black belt and still part of me was nervous. In fact we were told that you would only proceed to the physical portion if you passed the written portion. That was the longest 30 minute wait I ever had. We did have one very young youth fail the written portion that day. By the time the physical portion started I was so nervous my rear heel would not settle in front stance, but kept jumping up and down from nerves...that lasted through all the basic hands. By the time we got through kicks and hyungs I was more focused on having enough energy for the remaining physical requirements. Sparring and breaking was actually relaxing to me and a nice end to the exam. All I can say is be overprepared, and let that knowing be your calm and comfort. Good Journey, MC --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest