Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:42:21 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #37 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1900 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Roadtrip to Georgetown (Lloyd Martin) 2. Drunken Kung Fu vs Karate (Jye nigma) 3. Re: Drunken Kung Fu vs Karate (Tom Kennelly) 4. Learning a language (Ray Terry) 5. AAU Taekwondo Newsletter January 2005 (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 05:12:19 -0800 (PST) From: Lloyd Martin To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Roadtrip to Georgetown Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net For myself and the rest of the Seabrook mutants (apparently a term of endearment given to us by Master West), I would like the thank Master Kirsch for his hospitality and wrist twisting. A great time was had by all. I continue to be amazed by the lengths the masters of USKMAF will go to share the pain and discomfort. When we heal, we would like to schedule another. Signed, Twisted & consumed, Lloyd Martin Hodder's Korean Martial Arts Seabrook, TX --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:20:30 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Drunken Kung Fu vs Karate Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.bullshido.net/modules.php?name=Links&op=visit&id=45 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Tom Kennelly" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Drunken Kung Fu vs Karate Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:58:00 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye, I really enjoy the videos you have been sharing with us. Keep us the good work. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jye nigma" To: ; Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 9:20 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] Drunken Kung Fu vs Karate > http://www.bullshido.net/modules.php?name=Links&op=visit&id=45 > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1900 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:20:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Learning a language Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Learning a language with an imperfect tool JoongAng Daily January 31, 2005 - What if you studied a language for a long time with the wrong dictionary? What if many of the words you memorized turned out to have incorrect definitions? According to a local professor, that is the case in Korea, a nation that has always emphasized the importance of education, including learning English. Lee Jae-ho, 69, an English professor emeritus at Sungkyunkwan University, has been collecting errors he discovered in English-Korean dictionaries for the past 35 years, and recently published a book about his findings, "Yeonghan Sajeon Bipan" (A Criticism of English-Korean Dictionaries). The problems Mr. Lee has found are numerous, and, he adds, "I was often shocked by the significance of the errors." In his book, Mr. Lee says one problem is that the dictionaries often do not contain modern terms. "Among seven popular dictionaries in the country, three of them don't even have the word 'tsunami,'" he says. "Also, many of them do not have 'Kolkata,' the current name for 'Calcutta,' and 'Mumbai,' the current name for 'Bombay.'" Another big problem the professor points out is incorrect definitions. "For example, some dictionaries say that Arabic means a language used in Arabia, instead of the Middle East. Arabia is an ancient area and its meaning is not clear to people anymore," Mr. Lee says. An even more serious issue is that the dictionaries often do not use Korean words to explain the English terms. For example, the term for chain smoker is "golcho" in Korean. But many dictionaries only explain that a chain smoker is a person who smokes constantly, and don't mention that "golcho" is the corresponding Korean word. Consequently, many translators or students who want to translate English articles into Korean have to rely on their own knowledge, rather than the dictionaries. In addition, the dictionaries fail to use current Korean expressions in defining English words, Mr. Lee says. "'Volunteer' is best translated as 'jawonbongsaja' these days, but in our dictionaries 'jiwonja' (applicant) is found as a corresponding word," he notes. "'Recycling' is best translated as 'jaehwalyong,' but only one dictionary out of seven has the word," says Mr. Lee. "Instead, it's translated as 'jaesunhwan' (recirculation) and 'jaeiyoung' (reuse), which are relatively farther away from the meaning of "recycling." In other cases, foreign, rather than Korean, terms are used to define English words. For example, "teacher" is explained as "seonsaeng," which is originally a Chinese word. "Seuseung," which is the pure Korean word for "teacher," is not to be found in these dictionaries. "'Mating' is translated as 'gyobae,' but it's actually a Chinese word. 'Jjakjitgi' is the Korean term. Again, the dictionaries don't have it," says Mr. Lee. Chinese vocabulary is very important in the Korean language, but in many cases English terms are explained using only Chinese words, rather than Korean terms. The major reason why so many words are missing from the dictionaries is perhaps even more surprising. According to Mr. Lee, these dictionaries were not originally written by Korean scholars, but are simply translated versions of English-Japanese dictionaries. "After the Japanese rule ended in Korea, the urgent need for education made people seek the quickest way to produce dictionaries," Mr. Lee says. "They translated English-Japanese dictionaries into English-Korean ones instead of making them on their own." He adds, "Even our first Korean dictionaries were created by the Japanese government during its rule in Korea." The professor contends that the nation hasn't made any effort to improve the situation, either. "The role of English-Korean dictionaries is very important because people use them more than any other dictionaries. People are learning Korean as well as English through the dictionaries. But their quality is so poor," he says. "I think the reason has been economic. But another reason is the lack of the nation's consciousness," Mr. Lee says. "That is why the rich Korean vocabulary has been fading from people's memories. We tend to remember words that we always use and always see. Since our English dictionaries lack so many useful Korean words, the number of 'currently-in-use' Korean words is declining, in the translation of literature and in our daily lives." The professor says his main point in publishing the book was not just to preserve Korean words. "I think Chinese words are the backbone of the Korean language. However, dictionaries using only Chinese words or Japanese words are destroying the Korean language." Mr. Lee also cited problems with Korean-English dictionaries in the country. In particular, there has been confusion in the romanization of Korean words. "In terms of romanizing Korean words, the dictionaries have not been consistent. Some dictionaries say 'kimchi,' while others say 'gimchi,' 'kimchee,' and even 'kim chee,'" he says. "Also, 'taegwondo,' one of the most well-known Korean words, is spelled four ways, as 'tae gwon do,' 'taegwondo,' 'tae kwon do' and 'taekwondo.'" "There has been no solid standard in spelling Korean words in Korean-English dictionaries," he says. "Without standardized spelling rules, how can Korean culture be introduced to the world? International audiences won't remember a Korean word since it has been spelled in several ways. It has been a big barrier in introducing our culture." A mistake the country made during the 2002 World Cup, Mr. Lee says, was in spelling the nation "Corea," which created confusion internationally. "Our country's official name is 'Korea.' But people somehow changed the spelling to 'Corea.' Some foreigners who didn't know about Korea must have wondered whether it was the same country." The professor asserts that the country needs a "real" dictionary in order to become a strong nation. "The government should stop talking about the importance of 'cultural' power and actually start sponsoring the publication of quality dictionaries with sufficient financial support," he says. "The investment would benefit the country in the long run." Suh Chang-yul, head of the foreign dictionaries division of a domestic publishing company, largely agrees with Mr. Lee. "There has been almost no criticism of dictionaries," Mr. Suh says. "I hope his book promotes active criticism and evaluation of dictionaries, so that the publishers of dictionaries become more alert and diligent." But he also defends the publishing industry to an extent. "Mr. Lee's book says that there are many useful Korean words missing in defining English words. But publishers have to worry about making the dictionaries compact and simple," Mr. Suh says. "To carry a great amount of information in a limited space, we try to omit certain synonyms. Chinese words are more efficient to use in that sense." Mr. Suh admits, however, that "quality control" for dictionaries is a challenge for several reasons. "There aren't many dictionary experts in Korea. Most of the existing dictionary makers are old. For young people, the field of dictionaries isn't attractive, mostly for economic reasons," he says. "Also, the market for English-Korean dictionaries is a lot smaller than for standard English dictionaries, limiting the scale of investment." While Mr. Lee and some publishers acknowledge the problems, many users of the dictionaries appear to have learned to deal with them. Baek Yeong-mi, a translator who has translated the entire "Sherlock Holmes" series into Korean, says she often finds the contents of the dictionaries to be old-fashioned, but has not had time for criticism. "Whenever I was not satisfied with my dictionary, I got help from the Internet or other sources," she says. This may be an indication of why so many questions like "What do you call this in English, I couldn't find the word in my dictionary," appear on online bulletin boards. Since people have been unable to depend on dictionaries on many occasions, they turn to the Internet for help. Yang Seon-ah, a translator of "The Da Vinci Code," said she never thought about the quality of the dictionaries. "As a translator, I never blamed the dictionary. Whenever I found some words in my dictionary unusable for my translation, I chose to use my own words. I've always thought that was what translators do," says Ms. Yang. "English words multiply rapidly, but dictionaries cannot be revised every day. I think missing words are natural in dictionaries," she adds. by Choi Sun-young --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:35:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] AAU Taekwondo Newsletter January 2005 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... Here is your AAU Taekwondo Newsletter for January 2005. AAU Taekwondo competitions feature both Olympic and Point sparring, and traditional Taekwondo forms, including WTF, ITF, and TSD/MDK forms may be performed. For more information visit http://www.aautaekwondo.org In This Issue *35 AAU National Team Members Traveling To Bonn, Germany *Tournament & Events Schedule *35 AAU National Team Members Traveling To Bonn, Germany On Wednesday, February 16th, 35 members of the National AAU Junior and Senior Taekwondo Teams will be traveling to Bonn, Germany to participate in the 2005 German Open. Accompanying these athletes will be Women's Team Coach Terry Geautraux, Men's Team Coach Michael Sanchez, National Head Coach Jean Lopez and Team Manager Skip Valle. Special guest coach for this competition will be none other than the current US Gold Medalist, Mr. Steven Lopez! Executive Committee Members Mike Friello, Mark Giambi, and Scott Fiorillo will also be traveling with the teams. National Chair, Mr. Friello notes "this will be our first team exposure to the European circuit and we have very high hopes in the way of performance. Our 2005 Teams are without a doubt the very best we have ever assembled and we've heard nothing but high accolades from those International Referees who have had the opportunity to witness their performance/abilities first hand." Later this year our Teams will also return to the Washington, DC area to defend their title as the #1 Team at the East Coast Open Championship. "Between these two prestigious events we are hoping to give our Team Members the highest exposure possible to the very best, both nationally and internationally," says Master Friello. *2004 - 2005 Handbook Online The AAU Taekwondo Handbook, with all the rules for competition in forms, point sparring and Olympic style sparring, is now online at http://www.aautaekwondo.org *Tournament & Events Schedule February 5, 2005 Spar Wars 2005 (Non-Qualifier) Double Elimination Point Sparring The Episcopal School of Knoxville 950 Episcopal School Way Knoxville, TN 37932 Matted Rings Pre-Register by January 29 ($35) Register at Door ($45) Contact Tom Booker (865) 688-0120 Tombooker@aol.com February 26, 2005 2005 Georgia/Region 3 AAU Taekwondo Qualifier Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, North and South Carolina Meadowcreek High School Norcross, GA 30093 Eight Matted Rings Electronic Scoring Tournament Chief Referee Master Chuong Pham Registration via mail deadline February 19, 2005 Online Registration deadline February 23, 2005 Go to http://www.tournamentapplication.com to register online. Contact James Henry henrytkd@bellsouth.net or 770-422-1500 February 26, 2005 2005 Gulf Qualifier Click Here For Information, Brochure and Applications Butler Sports Complex Houston, TX For information contact David McCloskey 281-463-1090 or dmccloskey1@sbcglobal.net February 26, 2005 2005 Oregon AAU Taekwondo Qualifier Jason Lee Middle School Vancover, WA Contact Ric Gordon 253-377-6595 rick.gordan@gsa.gov February 26, 2005 2005 AAU Taekwondo Regions 6 Championship Central, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, Lake Erie, Michigan and West Virginia Memorial Hall, University of Akron Fully Matted Rings and Ringmaster Electronic Scoring 1st through 8th Qualify For AAU Nationals Go to http://www.aauinfo.com for tournament application Contact Ryan Andrachik info@aauinfo.com or 330-650-6333 February 27, 2005 2005 Potomic Valley AAU Taekwondo Qualifier Mount Saint Mary's College Emmitsburg, Maryland Eight Matted Rings Electronic Scoring Registration Deadline February 15, 2005 Online Registration at www.matchtool.com Contact Albano da silva aldasilva@matchtool.com 301-360-9700 March 5, 2005 Rosalio Martinex San Antonio, TX March 12, 2005 11 Annual Wisconsin/Region 7 AAU Taekwondo Championship Mukwonago High School 605 W. School Road Mukwonago, WI 53149 Contact Bob Crouch crouchtkd@wi.rr.com 262-363-0700 or Fax 262-363-8803 March 19, 2005 Adirondack AAU Championship Union College Field House Schenectady, NY Matted Rings, Electronic Scoring Online Registration at www.matchtool.com Contact Les Zampino 518-356-5425 or leszampino@aautaekwondo.org April 2, 2005 Illinois Central AAU Championship East Peoria High School East Peoria, Illinois Contact Al Nimmo FITNIMMO@msn.com or 309-698-5437 X300 April 2, 2005 2005 Missouri Valley AAU Taekwondo Qualifier Delta Woods Middle School Information and Registration available online at http://www.gmactkd.com Contact Terry Gautreaux gautreaux1@comcast.net or 816-229-6611 Official/Coach Certification Friday, March 4, 2005 April 2, 2005 New England Qualifier Bartley Center at Holyoke Community Center 303 Homestead Ave., Holyoke, MA 01040 Doors open at 8:30 AM Contact Raymond Shugart 413-786-4158 or fax 413-786-4158 April 9, 2005 2005 Ohio AAU Taekwondo Qualifier Veterans Memorial Columbus, OH http://www.geocities.com/ohioaautkd Contact Deb Confer ohioaautkd@insight.rr.com or 614-746-0938 April 9, 2005 Southern AAU Taekwondo Championship Louisiana and Mississippi Matted Rings Muss Bertolino Gym Kenner, Louisiana (Near New Orleans Airport) Registration Deadline April 2, 2005 Contact Diana Dunlap GrannyTKD@aol.com April 16, 2005 Southwestern AAU Taekwondo Qualifier Irvin, TX Contact John Monroe xtremefamfit@aol.com or 972-986-5738 April 17, 2005 New Jersey AAU Taekwondo Qualifier Click Here For Information and Application Matted Ring, Electronic Scoring Provided By Matchtool To Register online go to www.matchtool.com Contact Kevin Balon kevinbalon@aautaekwondo.org or 732-254-1214 April 23, 2005 Maryland AAU District Championship Waldorf, Maryland Matted Floors and Electronic Scoring Online Registration at www.matchtool.com Go to http://www.region2tkd.com Contact Scott Fiorillo 301-934-3699 or smtkd@verizon.net April 23, 2005 Georgia Spar Wars (Non-Qualifier) Double Elimination Point Sparring Registration fee $30, sent to Melissa Cowart at Faithfully Emerged Taekwondo 1406 Gray Highway, Macon GA 31211 Contact Charles Minter 770-985-0050 April 30, 2005 2005 Florida AAU Taekwondo Qualifier Kissimmee Civic Center 201 E. Dakin Avenue Kissimmee, FL 34741 407-518-2574 Eight Matted Rings Electronic Scoring Registration via mail deadline April 25, 2005 more information http://www.floridataekwondofederation.com Contact David Turnbull Ohjang@aol.com or 352-255-7707 April 30, 2005 Region 12 Pacific NW Regional Championship Washington High School Spanaway, WA Contact Rick Gordon 253-931-7384 rick.gordon@gsa.gov May 7, 2005 Region 9 - Texas Qualifier Houston, Texas Butler Sports Complex Matted Rings, Electronic Scoring Contact Mark Giambi at markgiambi@aautaekwondo.org May 14, 2005 Kentucky Qualifier More Information Coming Soon May 14, 2005 2005 Southern Nevada Taekwondo Qualifier Primm Valley Hotel Convention Center Primm, NV Information available at http://www.lonemtntkd.com Contact Sue Langdon 702-645-1555 itctkdmom@cox.net May 14, 2005 2005 Ozark AAU Taekwondo Qualifier East Central College, Union, MO Matted Rings and Electronic Scoring Registration Deadline May 9 Matted Rings and Electronic Scoring Contact Pat Weseman 636-296-3748 or pweseman@aol.com May 14, 2005 Michigan Qualifier Mt. Pleasant High School 1155 S. Elizabeth Mt. Pleasant, MI 48859 Contact Gary Eisen PO Box 229 St. Clair, MI 48079 810-329-7020 or miaautkdchair@yahoo.com May 21, 2005 Region 2 Championship Waldorf, Maryland Matted Floors, Electronic Scoring Register Online at www.matchtool.com For more information go to www.region2tkd.com Contact Scott Fiorillo 301-934-3699 or smtkd@verizon.net May 21, 2005 2005 Georgia Spring Tournament (Non-Qualifier) Meadowcreek High School Norcross, GA 30093 Six Matted Rings Electronic Scoring Registration via mail deadline May 14, 2005 Click here for flyer Contact Bobby Stone bobby@daculafamilysports.com or 770-237-2121 OR Cheryl Conway umaakick1@aol.com or 404-569-5425 May 28, 2005 Southwestern Texas Qualifier Contact John Monroe 972-986-5738 or xtremefamfit@aol.com More Information Coming Soon July 5-9, 2005 2005 AAU Youth and Adult Taekwondo Nationals Greensboro Coliseum Greensboro, NC 2005 AAU Junior Olympic Games July 27 - August 8, 2005 New Orleans, LA 2006 AAU Youth and Adult Taekwondo Nationals July 4 - 8, 2006 Knoxville, TN 2006 AAU Junior Olympic Games July 26 - August 5, 2006 Hampton Roads, VA 2007 AAU Junior Olympic Games July 25 - August 4, 2007 Knoxville, TN *Order AAU Merchandise Online Need an AAU coach's shirt, AAU patches, pins, ties, training videos, or gup rank certificates? Now you can order them online (no more printing out order forms). Just go to http://www.aautaekwondo.org And get all the things you need! *The AAU Taekwondo Web Site Can Help You Want news, AAU Dan Certification info, tournament results, AAU merchandise, club or individual membership registration, or just the phone number of your Sport Chair? Visit: http://www.aautaekwondo.org ************************************************************** *Special Introductory Offer Exclusively for AAU Members from Summit Flexible Products. Buy 50 or more CardioFlex(tm) or CardioFlex Twin martial art mats and get tapered safety edge strips FREE. Call 888-FOR-MATS or email: summitinfo@aol.com ______________________________________________________________ The AAU Taekwondo Newsletter is brought to you by the AAU Taekwondo Program at http://www.aautaekwondo.org Edited by David Mazor --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest