Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 03:04:11 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #39 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1900 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Drunken Kung Fu vs. Karate (CStovall@nucorar.com) 2. BLACK BELTS (Richard Tomlinson) 3. Re: BLACK BELTS (Craig Zeigler) 4. TKD Teacher helps kids learn to stay safe (Ray Terry) 5. Re: BLACK BELTS (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: CStovall@nucorar.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:46:02 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Drunken Kung Fu vs. Karate Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I didn't think there actually WAS a style called Drunken Kung-Fu (or Drunken Fist, or Drunken Boxing, etc.). I thought that was just something that was made up for the movies (Jackie Chan being the main culprit). Jye, is this a real style? Do you have any info or web resources? BTW, Jackie Chan's 'Legend of Drunken Master' is one of my top three favorite martial arts flicks of all time. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by email or telephone. You are instructed to destroy any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of this communication if you are not the intended recipient. Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Richard Tomlinson" To: Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:54:43 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] BLACK BELTS Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I thought I'd throw this one out to see what opinions folks may have.... Does anyone who operates a school have a situation where a certian percentage of people, once they have gotten their black belts quit? And as instructors, any input on why this is, suggestions to help prevent? Let's rule out the "Bored" with the program since any good school will have good black belt classes..... sandy --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 16:56:53 -0500 From: Craig Zeigler To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] BLACK BELTS Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Richard Tomlinson wrote: >I thought I'd throw this one out to see what opinions folks may have.... Does >anyone who operates a school have a situation where a certian percentage of >people, once they have gotten their black belts quit? And as instructors, any >input on why this is, suggestions to help prevent? Let's rule out the "Bored" >with the program since any good school will have good black belt >classes..... >sandy >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 1900 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > In my old school I noticed the same thing. When I go my 1st dan I stuck with it until the military made me stop for a while. From what I could tell, it seemed to be that once a person got to 1st dan they figured they had achieved their goal. I was always taught that getting to 1st dan is a wonder achievement, but then things start all over. You begin an entirely new kind of training. Many sources drill the idea that the black belt means you've done everything and going further means you're going to be a teacher. After I because a black belt, I found I was learning everything all over again, only I was held to a much higher standard, and there were new objectives in everything. Just my $0.02 -Craig --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:28:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD Teacher helps kids learn to stay safe Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Teacher helps kids learn to stay safe Fredericksburg.com Olympic gold medalist Arlene Limas demonstrated some self-defense techniques to children. Arlene Limas spoke to MOMS (Moms Offering Moms Support) members and their children, and gave demonstrations of self-defense during a meeting at Aquia Episcopal Church. Limas is an Olympic gold medalist. Martial arts teacher in North Stafford shows young students ways to defend themselves against "stranger danger" By CATHY DYSON Date published: 2/1/2005 Voices are children's best weapons If children ever find themselves in a dangerous spot, they should use the biggest weapon they have. Their voices. "As parents, you need to let them know there are times when they should yell as loud as they possibly can," said Arlene Limas, a local martial arts instructor and Olympic gold medalist. The mothers in the parenting group she was addressing seemed to think their sons and daughters were well equipped in that department. "We're good there," one mom called out. "We got that covered," another one said. But most of the boisterous young voices got quiet during the demonstration. Limas owns the Power Kix studio in North Stafford, and a segment of her instruction--in tae kwon do--deals with what she calls "stranger danger." She had five little boys around her, in the downstairs room of the social hall at Aquia Episcopal Church. That's where MOMS--Moms Offering Moms Support--meets twice a month. She'd already shown the little guys, ages 2 1/2 to 5, how to kick and throw a punch. (None of the girls in the group wanted to play.) She'd demonstrated how they should hold their fists in front, to guard "their goodies." "To make a fist, you bring all the fingers in, and then you lock the door," she said. Then she told them she was going to be a bad guy. When one of the boys started to whimper, she said, "Don't get too scared, we're just pretending." She told each one not to talk to her or go with her. Shout "no" as loud as you can, Limas said, and run away to a nearby mother who'd been designated as a safe adult. If you're in a store, find a cashier, she said. In school, run to a teacher or secretary, she told them. Trevor Mushung grinned nervously when Limas came his way. The 5-year-old followed her directions--didn't answer when she called his name or respond when she asked if he wanted candy. When she told him his mom said he should go with her, he took a few steps back. When she tried to grab his arm, he ran away to the designated adult, then jumped into his mother's lap and buried his face in her chest. Dylan Stefl, 2 1/2, took his turn less seriously. "Hi, Dylan," Limas said. "Hi," he answered. "Don't talk to me," she reminded him. "OK," he said. "Want to come with me and get some ice cream?" she asked. "Yeah!" he answered, excitedly. The mothers in the support group realize the predicament they face. Parents want their children to be aware of the dangers around them, but they don't want them to live in constant fear. "My son is 2 1/2, and he calls every woman in the grocery store 'Grandma,'" said Shannon Kee, the group coordinator. "William's always running away from me, saying 'Hi' to everyone." Likewise, Dylan assumes everyone is a helper, like the police officers and rescue workers he sees on TV cartoons. "Everybody's a friend to him," his mother, Heather, said. And children get mixed messages from adults, said mother Sudie Jones. "We tell them not to talk to strangers, but then I talk to a woman at the grocery store, and I obviously don't know her," she said. Even more mind-boggling to youngsters, Jones said, must be the way adults throw them into the laps of strangers dressed in red with long white beards--and tell them to smile for their pictures with Santa. Limas believes a little awareness can go a long way. She takes students as young as 4 and teaches them tae kwon do moves, as well as the importance of picking up their toys and respecting their elders. At the end of each session with preschoolers, Limas brings up the serious topic of "safety zones" after she and the youngsters have played. "So the vegetables are mixed in with the ice cream," she said. Limas, 38, won a gold medal during the 1998 Olympic Games in Seoul. That was the year tae kwon do became a medal sport, and she was the first athlete to win gold. The Koreans so dominated the sport that they didn't expect an American to medal--and didn't have the music ready for "The Star-Spangled Banner" when Limas stood on the platform. She started singing the anthem, without music, and American servicemen and family members in the audience joined along. Lima has taught the martial arts she loves in North Stafford for 12 1/2 years. She's moving to a new facility on State Route 610 that's three times as big as her space in Aquia Towne Center. She has more than 350 students, ages 4 to 65, and a staff of six. Limas regularly tells her young students that there's a time and place for the defensive moves they learn. They should kick and punch when they need to protect themselves from a stranger--not when they're out on the playground or wrestling around with little brothers and sisters. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] BLACK BELTS To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:14:11 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >I thought I'd throw this one out to see what opinions folks may have.... Does >anyone who operates a school have a situation where a certian percentage of >people, once they have gotten their black belts quit? And as instructors, any >input on why this is, suggestions to help prevent? Let's rule out the "Bored" >with the program since any good school will have good black belt >classes..... FWIW One friend that ran a Taekwondo dojang used the slogan, "Our Goal is Blackbelt". He used it heavily. It was painted on the walls of the school. Reinforced during each gup testing. Was on every handout. Then he wondered why most of his students left the school after they reached 1st Dan. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest