Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:57:15 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #43 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1900 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Black Belts (Divetony@aol.com) 2. Re: Black Belt Exodus (CStovall@nucorar.com) 3. Thank you! (bmac2) 4. Back Again (J R Hilland) 5. One Step Sparring (Art VanVranken) 6. Black Belt Drop outs (Art VanVranken) 7. Quitting after BB (Yarchak, Mary Kay) 8. Drunken kung-fu (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 9. BLACK BELTS (Richard Tomlinson) 10. Re: RE: Drunken Kung Fu vs. Karate (jakskru) 11. Taekwondo problems in Malaysia (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Divetony@aol.com Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:11:19 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Black Belts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 2/3/2005 12:21:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: Re: Black Belts Good question Tim, actually it was not my idea, it is the policy of the school. I have no problem wearing a white belt in a discipline that I am new to. I did have a problem with some of the tkd schools in town , different organizations from mine that wanted me to wear a white belt and told me it would take 2.5 yrs to be a black belt, at the time I tested for my BB only 1 month before. You can't honestly tell me it would take that long to achieve BB status in an art I was already practicing for almost 5 years. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: CStovall@nucorar.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:29:30 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Black Belt Exodus Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> I don't understand how I got drug into this, but perhaps this is an opportunity for YOU to learn something. The workout I proposed should have a PROFOUND effect on one's practice of KMA (or JMA, or FMA, or BMA, or C-if-I-Care). The simple reason is that it will increase one's work capacity, and level of General Physical Preparedness (GPP). Now, if one has relegated their martial arts experience to the realm of pounding a keyboard, and bitching about the general state of affairs...then no, this type of workout would have little biomechanical relationship to the "martial arts" that one is practicing. However, if we can agree that the martial arts has at least SOME physical component to it, then I believe increased strength, muscle endurance, and cardio-respiratory fitness would have a great biomechanical carry-over to one's martial arts training (or tennis game, or snow skiing, or volleyball, etc). Think of it like this...you can practice more of those precious forms over a longer period of time instead of saying "Damn I'm old and tired" after 10 minutes. The ONLY reason I posted any of that stuff is because we had members discussing the difficulty of continuing/starting one's training in later years. As the year's go on we have to focus on physical conditioning, or settle for watching from the edge of the mat. It's as simple as that. It was not my intention to take the focus off of KMA. It was my intention to ENRICH and PROLONG one's practice of KMA. As to people quitting after they get their black belt, I had an instructor who had a very "old school" attitude toward that. As far as he was concerned, they were never really students to begin with. That's not my opinion, but I'll throw it out there for consideration. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by email or telephone. You are instructed to destroy any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of this communication if you are not the intended recipient. Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:12:22 -0600 From: "bmac2" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Thank you! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I would like to publically thank and congratulate my students for their support and dedication. First I need to thank my dear friend Rich who helped and supported me with our Belt Test. Last Saturday (29th Jan.) was Belt Testing at Braeswood Martial Arts, it was also the day I contracted to flu. Master Hodder, a great friend, not only put himself in harms way to help with testing, but stayed for promotions, pot-luck dinner that followed and made sure I made it home and had what I needed to battle the flu. For his trouble he was given a dose of flu himself :( As Monday came there was no way I could make class... Jenny Arias (whom had just sucessfully passed her Red Belt test) and our Golden Dragon Maureen Kelly stepped up to plate and ran classes that evening. Even my youngest son Sean Kelly (Green Belt) ran the kids white belt class. Today, Thursday (3rd Feb.) will be my first day in the dojang this week. I would like to thank Jenny Arias, Maureen Kelly, Sean Kelly, Rustin Slaughter, and Preeti Chugani for their commitment to keeping our doors open this week. I must publically commend our color belts for the Black Belt commitment to our school in keeping the doors open this week. I am hopeful Ray and the digest readers out there do not mind me using this forum to do so. Thanks again my Rich, feel better soon. Kat ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:57:22 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Back Again Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Kim. It is good to have you back on the DD young man! I miss tossing you around the mats in Fort Wayne :) I was just in Florida, but just passing through the Cape on the way to and from the Bahamas. Hope to see you soon in Jackson! Is the state bird down there still the mosquito? Jere R. Hilland, Fargo, ND www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:32:26 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Art VanVranken" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] One Step Sparring Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I think the problem with that is the unknown. If the receiver of the punch moves in, they will get some unwanted contact. The absence of control and horseplay which is almost always there. [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of IMSTP.gif] [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type Image/jpeg which had a name of BackGrnd.jpg] --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:02:59 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Art VanVranken" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Black Belt Drop outs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My previous school had as their slogan, "Black Belt Excellence". That seemed to work until they didnt deliver it. I became extremely bored between 1st +2nd Dan. That is when I looked for a different school. The one I am currently with has a once a week Black Belt Class. He mixes the lessons between some different Arts he has been trained in such as Tai Chi and a Karate. This is only for Black Belts and helps to keep us interested. He also teaches weapons, Bo Staff up to 2nd Dan, and Nunchucka 2nd + 3rd. Sometimes he will bring in a different instructor for some special training. We have had a Yoga instructor at whos class I fell asleep in! Thats another story! [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of IMSTP.gif] [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type Image/jpeg which had a name of BackGrnd.jpg] --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:08:47 -0500 From: "Yarchak, Mary Kay" To: "Dojang Digest" Subject: [The_Dojang] Quitting after BB Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net All, One thing that no one has mentioned yet regarding losing students right after cho dan: A lot of people out there just seem to have a short attention span, or maybe they just haven't found their homes yet. They come in and are very excited about training, they show up 4-5 times a week, and they train to excess. Gradually, usually by sometime around 2 - 2 1/2 years in, they start to slack off a bit. BUT, depending upon the system, at that point, they are probably less than 2 years from BB; in some, they may almost be BB. So, they stick it out until they test for cho dan. Then, they just fade away. You run into them on the street or they stop by the dojang and you hear that they got a new mountain bike... or took up rock climbing... or motorcycles... or scuba... or skydiving... or paintball... or kayaking... or whatever... and they bought a whole new set of gear and are really excited about it... and will probably hit that really hard for a couple years... and then move on to the next big thing. Meanwhile the hardcore folks at that activity, the ones who ride every day/weekend no matter the weather, or who have 1000's of skydives or scuba dives, or who climb every weekend near home to practice and save $'s for serious climbs in the Alps or Nepal, (or who are still there training hard at the dojang) just keep on doing what they/we do. MK Mary Kay Yarchak Desk: 412-647-0266 Pager: 1-888-896-1507 Confidential UPMC information. Any unauthorized or improper disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this [document/E-Mail] is prohibited. The information contained in this E-Mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by E-mail and delete the original message. --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:25:50 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Drunken kung-fu Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yep, there's actually drunken kung-fu. A friend of mine does baguazhang and some drunken style. From what I can tell, it is useful when generating power from other directions than the traditional straight up and down. It has also proven useful for embarrassing beginning black belts who go too full of themselves! Wish I was better at it! :) Take care, Dakin Burdick E-mail: dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Richard Tomlinson" To: Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:17:48 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] BLACK BELTS Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks so much for all the responses to my black belt question! Ultimately as an instructor I blame myself every time a student leaves no matter what rank. I know there are underlying reasons people leave that may be out of my control.... but I think they are few. I liked the point made about how many people do not understand the growth of martial arts in the early days to now, and I add, nor do they understand martial arts culture. But all in all, alot of excellent points are being made....I am always greatful to hear from those of you who have been practicing for a much longer time than I, I'm still humble a youngster at 7 years! With much much more to learn! Thanks again, BOWS, sandy. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Drunken Kung Fu vs. Karate Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:30:36 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net craig, there is a style called drunken kung fu...as a matter of fact, there was an article about it in everybodys favorite mag Black Belt a coupla months ago...if you watch the guys movements it jye's video clip, you can clearly see that they all look to be holding a wine glass that they sometimes "throw" the contents of at their opponent. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 12:46 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Drunken Kung Fu vs. Karate > I didn't think there actually WAS a style called Drunken Kung-Fu (or Drunken > Fist, or Drunken Boxing, etc.). I thought that was just something that was > made up for the movies (Jackie Chan being the main culprit). Jye, is this a > real style? Do you have any info or web resources? > > > > BTW, Jackie Chan's 'Legend of Drunken Master' is one of my top three > favorite martial arts flicks of all time. > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information > intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If > this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure > whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please > immediately notify us by email or telephone. You are instructed to destroy > any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of > this communication if you are not the intended recipient. Receipt of this > communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal > privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1900 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:49:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Taekwondo problems in Malaysia Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net New Straits Times Malaysia TAEKWONDO: Disgruntled Nazim also quits MTA Feb 4 DESCRIBING the association as "incoherent", Datuk Nazim Tun Abdul Razak resigned as the Malaysian Taekwondo Association (MTA) deputy president. Nazim's resignation means MTA have lost their top two officials in the last three months. President Jen (rtd) Tan Sri Mohamed Ghazali Seth resigned in November last year. "I don't feel MTA is a coherent body anymore. The executive council seems to be going in one direction and the President's Group, in the other," said Nazim in a telephone interview yesterday. "I have given constructive comments on ways to improve the association. Unfortunately, it was not well received. As such, I believe the best thing to do, under these circumstances, is to resign as deputy president." Nazim resigned last Thursday. Besides Ghazali and Nazim, the other office bearers who have quit are vice president Muralee Menon and secretary-general M. Rajendran. The present debate on whether clubs should be given voting rights is one thorny issue that Nazim and several MTA officials failed to reach a compromise. "The order was given to MTA by the Sports Minister (Datuk Azalina Othman Said) to amend their constitution to grant clubs voting rights," added Nazim. "Instead of guiding these clubs in order to bring them into the voting system, they (MTA officials) seem intent on finding ways to stop these clubs from being given voting rights. "This is why I believe the Exco seem to be going in another direction." And Nazim believes the honourable thing to do is to quit the association. "Clubs have a role to play in the development of the sport. And they have been doing a good job of it as well," said Nazim. "It is not a question of supporting individuals or clubs. This is about the future of the sport." --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest