Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:22:16 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #55 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1900 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. mixing martial arts (Giancarlo Fusco) 2. When is a block a break? (Kickin' Family) 3. Knowledge in the Mind (Charles Richards) 4. meager goal (Charles Richards) 5. Seminar in "The Soo" (Christy Cory) 6. Re: One-Steps (luke rose) 7. RE: The Frog in the Well (CStovall@nucorar.com) 8. RE: Working Out (CStovall@nucorar.com) 9. mixing arts...... (George Peters) 10. hapkido ground techniques (J R Hilland) 11. Mix it in a blender (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 12. Musashi (Gladewater SooBahkDo) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:08:36 -0800 (PST) From: Giancarlo Fusco To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] mixing martial arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I've been reading a lot in the forum over the last week or two on both the pros and cons of cross-training. Again, I'm pro cross-training. I believe that it has many benefits, physically, mentally and spiritually, when done right. If someone is going to train in a myriad of arts simultaneously (or even consecutively), it shouldn't be to learn new self-defense moves or new poomse/kata, etc. It should be to understand why an art's techniques are done a particular way. Just throwing a bunch of ingredients into a pot, to use another forum poster's analogy, without understanding how they all interact with each other, will give you nothing short of a messy pot. But, if you, or your instructor(s) or whomever can put all of these arts together with a set of universal principles that holds them together and allows all of the flavors to interact and complement each other, then I think you will have a truly effective and comprehensive martial art that can give you years of enjoyment. Peace- Giancarlo Fusco --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Kickin' Family" To: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:18:03 -0600 Organization: Kickin' Family Subject: [The_Dojang] When is a block a break? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings, sir... I have also been taught that same philosophy... Not that a block a break, but it CAN be... At my show test for 2nd dan, I passed that on to other students, hoping that my testing could be a teaching experience for them too... I did a 2 board break with a low section outer forearm block, where the blocking / attacking tool was my left forearm... Got lots of Ooohs and Owws, but they got the point... When done correctly, it doesn't have to be a misdirection of force, it can be a destruction of the attacking tool... **bows** - Bert Edens, II Dan TKD Springdale, Arkansas > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Spiller > > Waaaaay back in 1993 I attended a training camp in > Colorado with then-Master Sereff. One of the classes > was taught by a very senior black belt (Mr. Lang, > iirc) who was getting a little irked at some of the > blocks being executed (less powerful than the punches > we had just done). The comment was: "There are NO > blocks in Taekwon-Do!" Now, of course there are (and > some of them, like hooking blocks, require almost no > power when executed properlly), but the point was that > you should be blocking at least as hard as your > attacking because the goal is the same: to disable you > opponent. > > Now, I'm not saying a block is going to break your arm > or anything, but I have been on the receiving end of > some pretty potent blocks and they can hurt. MIght > give you an opening in a fight that wasn't there > before if done right. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 04:46:59 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Knowledge in the Mind Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I read "Best wishes... Knowledge in the Mind, Honesty in the Heart, Strength in the Body" MC Reply, Wendy, thanks for your post and good to see another JRI player on the list. Might for Right! MC --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 05:05:00 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] meager goal Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I read "So I take my lessons, practice at home, make reasonable progress towards my meager goal and have fun." MC Reply Couldn't have said it better myself. BTW my dad reconciled me giving up the trumpet and french horn and bought me a guitar, but required me to keep taking lessons and read music. Once I got a guitar I of course started learning music by ear and had my own High School cover band. On that note as far as cross training, it's near impossible to play french horn after you get your braces tightened, but I can still make semi-harmonious sounds on the guitar, and I still know how to read music. Be Well, MC --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Christy Cory" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 15:43:55 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Seminar in "The Soo" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am one of several of Master Garrett DeWitts students (Brainerd, MN) who just returned from a Hapkido/Weapons Seminar hosted in Sault Ste Marie, Ontario, Canada by Grandmaster Rudy Timmerman.   I have attended several of his seminars and I am always pleased and impressed!  His DoJang has such a "family" setting and we are always treated as members of that family!  I see them all welcome visitors with welcome arms upon each visit and I am always so excited to see the people I have met through my times training with them! Huge thanks and appreciation go to Mrs. "B" SBN, Jessie JKN and Shane DBN for the patience, humor and pride these individuals displayed while teaching us many things about weapons and the "finer" art of just what kind of pain Hapkido can inflict :-).  They were both willing to correct and eager to praise, marks of great teachers, IMHO.   While we were there for the weekend we were invited to join in a "Korean Night".  We were able to see videos of previous Korean competitions and sample Korean food prepared by Irene Watson (Jessie's mom).  There is always something going on when we are there, and they are always happy for visitors to participate! We can't wait until we can all train together again!! Christy Cory!!  Yet another "honorary Canadian" :-) --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:02:58 -0800 (PST) From: luke rose To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: One-Steps Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Fusco wrote: "In addition, in the schools that I have trained in and observed (TKD and Tang Soo Do), I would like to see less static one-steps. In other words, when student B defends student A's attack then counters, student A should act like he/she is being hit. If we are going to practice only defending against attacks that can actually hit us, then we should also practice our counter-attacks on an opponent who actually doubles over from a punch to the solar plexus, or reels back from a palm heel to the jaw, etc. In my opinion, this provides realism as well as practice in learning how to flow with your counter-attacks. Any other thoughts or disagreements?" You know I wouldn't recommend beginners practice this but I had a friend propose this type of practice and it really made sense to me. I've been at schools where you block the punch, do some type of counter and then grab the arm to do some sort of take-down. Well I think most of us know that the arm is not going to be in the same position when we go to grab it. I think the same could be said about the body. You can't expect someone to be standing if you just broke their knee, right? Now with contact sparring you do start picking up on the way your opponent moves after making contact but, it's usually quite fast paced. So, this type of training that Mr. Fusco advocates is an essential way for me to break down the fast paced sparring yet enhance my basic one-steps. Thanks for bringing that up Mr. Fusco. It's a very realistic outlook on one-steps. I'd like to hear other opinions if anyone has any. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: CStovall@nucorar.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:49:39 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: The Frog in the Well Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> Thanks for the heads up Dakin. I happen to be a big fan of this series. I know some people might object to the cartoon presentation, but I personally enjoy the visual nature of these books. I also like the "For Beginners" series of books put out by Writer's & Readers Publishing. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by email or telephone. You are instructed to destroy any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of this communication if you are not the intended recipient. Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: CStovall@nucorar.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:10:09 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Working Out Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> Nice post! Yeah, the instability of the rings adds an entirely new dimension to the movement. Here's another one that people can try who don't have access to rings. Get one of those "4-Square Kickballs" that they sell at Wal-Mart for a couple of bucks. Now put your hands on the ball like you would place your hands on the ground for "diamond" pushups, and see how many you can do. Be careful not to fall flat on your face, and don't be afraid to let a little of the air out of the ball so it will flatten out just a little under your weight and not roll as much. You can also get two and do regular pushups with one ball under each hand. You will not believe the difference until you've tried it. Those balls also make great "poor man's medicine balls" for plyo throws, and what not. All you need is a little sand and a tire patch kit. I will let you figure out the rest, grasshoppers. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by email or telephone. You are instructed to destroy any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of this communication if you are not the intended recipient. Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:09:01 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] mixing arts...... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sirs/Maams, In reading the posts on students having problems mixing arts and confusing techniques I am reminded of an old story that is credited to Bruce Lee and have also seen elsewhere. In essence, a prospective student approached a master and asked to learn the art the master taught, extolling his virtues as a student, having attained high ranking in another art. The master told the student that the only way he could teach him was if the student could forget everything he already knew. The student thought this was not fair until the master showed him an example. The master showed the student a full glass of water stating"this represents you and your learning, in order to refill the cup, mustn't one empty it first?" Respectfully, George --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:49:50 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] hapkido ground techniques Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net When does ground fighting get taught in hapkido? It depends on the teacher. Students in hapkido traditional start out with zwaki and waki (defense from sitting, defense from lying down). Many of the chokes, locking and pining techniques, etc. are the same if the attacker is vertical or horizontal. For me, it is not an issue, good technique is the same regardless of how you or your attacker is located on the planet. But you will also find chokes, leg locks, arm locks, etc. in hapkido ground fighting. Is the terminology for the techniques the same as the BJJ guys? I never studied BJJ, but I doubt it. Hapkido is a Korean art and uses Korean terminology and I have no idea what language the terminology for BJJ is, but I doubt it is Korean. When do I teach it? I am to old to be playing on the ground, my preference is that the attacker is the only one on the ground. Fights unusually only end up on the ground when you fight in a ring, like this current flavor-of-the-month, cage fighting, when we were 10 years old and did not know what else to do, or if you are a judo player (once again, in a ring). If they have a weapon, or there are multiple attackers, ground fighting is not a benefit. I have taught seminars in hapkido ground fighting, but I only teach it in class when I feel that the student has a good grasp of basic motion and technique. Jere R. Hilland, Fargo, ND www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:34:50 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Mix it in a blender Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Let me just say that I love to mix concepts. I don't mix arts, I take a concept or principle that works and use it. Who cares where it comes from? If it works, use it. For me, that includes: T'aekkyeon kicking and pumbakki T'aekweondo side kicks Hapkido locks Small circle Jujitsu theory Wing Chun centerline theory and sticky hands Bagua power generation and circle walking Fencing's tip control Taijiquan's hydraulic power generation and push hands Aikido's falling Judo's throwing and chokes Boxing's punching Silat's low stances and push hands Karate's stance work Kali's flows Grappling skills from wrestling (love that granby!) Grappling skills from Brazilian Jujutsu and danjeon ideas where-ever they come from Mix 'em all in the blend and you have something tasty! And now, a sermon from GM Young MC on the way of the water: "Your best friend Harry has a brother Larry In five days from now he's gonna marry He's hopin you can make it there if you can 'Cause in the ceremony you'll be the best man You say "neato"... check your libido And roll to the church in your new tuxedo The bride walks down just to start the wedding And there's one more girl you won't be getting So you start thinkin, then you start blinkin A bride maid looks and thinks that you're winkin She thinks you're kinda cute so she winks back And now you're feelin really fine cus the girl is stacked Reception's jumpin, bass is pumpin Look at the girl and your heart starts thumpin Says she wants to dance to a different groove Now you know what to do g, bust a move" Dog! Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:38:32 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Musashi Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Dunn It is good to see interest in Mushashi's teaching. I enjoyed your post. I too have enjoyed studying Musashi for many years JC --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest