Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:28:14 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #61 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1900 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Music to hit people by (Charles Richards) 2. Brooke's Grappling Question (FirstPe315@aol.com) 3. RE: Re: Martial Which ??? (James) 4. music to train to... (Jye nigma) 5. Re: The_Dojang digest, Terms for atta (Raymond Navarro) 6. RE: RE: Music to hit people to (Martin Von Cannon) 7. Music to Hit People To (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 8. Music to hit people to (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 9. Re: Music to hit people to (tim walker) 10. thoughts on technique (J R Hilland) 11. Re: Groundfighting (kevin_janisse@comcast.net) 12. RE: hapkido ground techniques (CStovall@nucorar.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:45:21 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: Dojang Digest Subject: [The_Dojang] Music to hit people by Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig, We have got to sit and vibe sometime I'm with you on Living Colour. Try Wall from their Stain CD also The Puff Daddy from Godzilla soundtrack is also of the hook For me, before AAU nats I used 50 cent Kid Rock Nelly I like to get a good vibe going as it helps the rythym of my foot work and timing for stop hits and counters :-) I like a good angst rap metal as it gets my Pil Seung on :-) My favorite right now is Disturbed Also good are Linkin Park Stuck Mojo Infectious Grooves Rage Against The Machine Limp Bizkit Early Metalica Megadeath Early QueensRyche Iron Maiden Keep it real, MC --__--__-- Message: 2 From: FirstPe315@aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:49:08 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Brooke's Grappling Question Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Brooke - I'll give you a little insight down my way. We teach separate components to grappling at the first belt level. These would be control and pinning techniques as well as basic arm-bars and chokes (these are the same one's they learn from a standing position as well). We teach defense from the guard, offense from the guard, escape techniques from the mount (being on the bottom) and a variety of other holds. The actual "submission" techniques can be taught slowly but as long as somebody gets "comfortable" on the ground and learns basic control techniques, they will learn to evolve into other techniques anyway. Most grappling success comes from being in a superior position and using leverage well. If you do that you'll do O.K. Of course, for those who are superior, it helps to train to be defensive and safe until you can get to your feet. These, as well as advanced grappling can be taught at any level but it's good to provide a base to build on as with any other techniques. There is a prevaling thaught in the martial-arts world that stand-up techniques work on the ground so you shouldn't practice grappling. I learned this theory and believed it for about 15 years until I left my first instructor and started to roll with guys who really trained in this stuff (I had, up to that time, had success against "non-grappling" opponents) and I learned quite quickly that yes, this theory is true, but the nuances to how you get there and how to defend against a superior person on the ground made this theory ridiculous. You must practice on the ground if you want any level of skill there. Jeff --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "James" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Martial Which ??? Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:13:49 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi all, I would like to comment on the mixing of martial arts. It is a fact that many of the Korean martial arts are mixes of Chinese styles and older Korean styles. There is certainly a Japanese influence present also. Just look at the geography and the history. As for a single style martial arts person I can imagine two assumptions to lead to that position. The first is the simple position of a purist. It is like film verses digital photography, or CD's verses albums. It is a matter of wanting that which is the essential paradigm, or that which came first and has color and history. The second assumption to support a single martial arts style is the assumption that the single martial art leads to a greater reality. I know that I have notions of finding that ultimate truth or philosophical depth of understanding of some great unknown. In some ways it is like a religion. It is something we come to embrace in some deep part of us and it becomes us. I remember studying Hakko Ryu Ju Jutsu and it was forbidden to study any other style. But that style of Ju Jutsu is extremely soft and aimed at using the least amount of aggression and fury, to do absolutely no damage to another. In fact, any damage done is the result of the aggression of the opponent. It has a very gentle spirit. Tang Soo Do has a more aggressive spirit. It is a more solid spirit that stands hard like a fortress----at least in comparison. What I am getting at is this spirit. It is somehow alive and within us. It demands our respect. In that sense, a single martial art moves us in a specific direction. If we mix our martial arts each becomes watered down in this spiritual sense. So I guess we have to understand the dual nature of the martial arts. One is the actual martial study of a self defense system, the other is the way or the art. For me, a single martial art is a study in reality whereas a mixed martial arts background is a study in martial systems. I think that to argue one against the other is apples verses oranges..... James jsleep@provide.net Philosophy is my passion, Politics, my wine; Sex is my distraction, True love, what I pray to find. -------James Sleep 1991------------ --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 05:11:34 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] music to train to... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Oh I almost forgot...you may not want to play the village people if your martial art is grappling ...lol. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 05:15:51 -0800 (PST) From: Raymond Navarro To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, Terms for atta Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net  Hi Ray and all. That is correct Ray, if the term for defense is Maki and for attack is Kongyok then the term for defender is MakiSa for defender and KongyokSa for attacker and also Makiui for when you are the defender and kongyokui when you say I am the Attacker and this what my Korean teacher said when I asked him and the term Sa is when you speak of that person and Ui also at the end of a word expresess that that is the one person. HAP Ramon Navarro           &nbs p;            &nb sp;            &n bsp;            & nbsp;                           ;            &nbs p;            &nb sp;       HapKiDo SabomNim           &nb sp;            &n bsp;            & nbsp;                           ;            &nbs p;            &nb sp;               Song Moo Kwan HapKiDo           &nbs p;            &nb sp;            &n bsp;            & nbsp;                           ;            &nbs p;          Panama City Panama           10. Re: Re: Terms (Ray Terry) Message: 10 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Terms To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:47:44 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > ".... Does anyone here know the Korean for Uki/Tori? > We always used the term partner." > > How about "Sun Soo" ("attacker") and "Hoo Soo" ("defender")? Listmember Panama City Ramon also mentioned this a couple years ago... "I learned that Tori (receiver) and Uke (attacker) are based on the basic terms Defense or Maki and Attack or Kongyok so this would be MakiSa for defender and kongyokSa for attacker or they can be Makiui for when you are the defender and kongyokui when you say I am the Attacker." Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com   ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get a web-based email for life now ---> http://mail.hapkidokr.org --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 06:42:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: Music to hit people to From: "Martin Von Cannon" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I think at this point it would be music to make you want to hit people. ;-) -- Martin Von Cannon Instructor Tacoma, WA. Dojang A Black Belt is more than something you wear. It's more than something you earn. A Black Belt is something you become. > What about Kenny G? The Village People? Macy's Top 10 MUZAK hits? Barry > Manilow? The Carpenters Greatest Hits? We've only just begun, to inflict > pain... > Kip --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:14:30 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Music to Hit People To Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks to Jye for the Dead Prez recommendation -- excellent stuff! Also thanks to Edward -- I do like Outkast but hadn't heard Bombs over Baghdad. Wow! That one is too fast for my sticky hands, but maybe I can use it on the bike machine. :) Dakin --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:41:48 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Music to hit people to Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig gave a big list of music too! Thanks!!! From his list, Craig is an old metalhead like myself, so I'm definitely going to have to go out and look for all of those. And I do mean OLD -- "Hotblooded"? :) Can you really still listen to that after Rob Zombie, Craig? :) Sounds like you might like quiet interludes in your hardcore mixes, so check these out: After the Goldrush - Prelude Choctaw Bingo - James McMurty Enter the Dragon soundtrack (main title) I just want to Celebrate - Rare Earth I'm your vehicle - Blood Sweat and Tears John the Revelator - Taj Mahal Misty Mountain Hop - 4 Non Blondes (Led Zeppelin cover) Paranoid - Megadeth (Black Sabbath cover) Rollin' and Tumblin' - Jeff Beck (Muddy Waters cover) Run to the Hills - Iron Maiden (now imagine my 6 & 8 year olds singing this one, 'cause they do!) The World is a Ghetto - War (another one my kids love) Uncle John's Band - Grateful Dead I fought the Law - Clash (Johnny Horton cover) Thanks to everyone for the playlists! Dakin --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "tim walker" To: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:10:58 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Music to hit people to Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Rapmaster D wrote: <> Mostly the cries of my enemies and the lamentations of their women... timo "What's so funny about peace, love, and unquestionable victory?" (Aw...c'mon. I'm just kiddin. I can't whup nobody. Just ask Kip.) --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:01:33 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] thoughts on technique Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net One of the things I have really enjoyed about hapkido is that each technique, in itself, is independent of a conclusion or beginning. They are interchangeable. I enjoy the famous Mr. Potato head analogy. It is important to practice various beginnings when practicing a specific technique. We do not want to get to caught up on this-technique-against-that-attack. Sure there are some techniques that flow better from a specific attack, if that was not true there would only be one technique in each art. But it important for hapkidoin to remember that technique is independent of the attack. This not only true in hapkido, as I have seen many traditional taekwondo instructors teach a low block against anything from a kick or a punch to such things as having wrists grabbed. It's about good technique. This is why I do not stress ground fighting. I have no problem with arts that emphasize it. They even built a whole sport around it. But in hapkido, it is just one of the many attacks or situations. To paraphrase what Mike Rowe once said on the DD - to truly master a technique can take a life time and this includes being able to flow from any attack, to any technique, to any conclusion. I stress the importance of not relying on practicing a specific technique against a specific attack for my more advanced student (those that have a grasp of basic motion). It is important that my students develop a sensitivity to the directional force of the attack and respond in a fluid manner from the attack through the technique. Michael De Alba wrote a long essay about the self defense side of an art, but if you watch his technique, it's good. His technique is an art. Just my thoughts... Jere R. Hilland, Fargo, ND www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: kevin_janisse@comcast.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:09:40 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Groundfighting Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Dakin, >Kongshin hapkido was more combative, and used a lot more > jointlocks. It was very much a unified system. The story I like to > tell, though, is about my 2nd dan test in USHF hapkido. We had to > escape with someone else on top, both from the mount and the guard. > Everyone else was passing the guard, etc., but my tactic was much > simpler. Grab the nuts, and the guy gets off. Then you stand up. If > the nuts are not available, gouge the eyes. If the eyes are not > available, twist the big toe or ankle. Jabbing an index finger into > someone's ear hurts a lot too, or so I'm told. Not to badmouth the > grapplers out there, 'cause most of 'em are in great shape and tricky > as > hell, but really I'm a big guy, so if I drop my weight on someone, I > get > a big unfair advantage in ground grappling. So I tell my students to > get OFF the ground as quickly as possible, and to fight as dirty as > possible... I know what you mean about dropping your weight on someone. I spar/grapple with a BB that weights 70+ pounds more than me. When we end up on the ground it takes all I can give to overcome him or just keep him from tying me up. My point is that it is a GREAT workout, we usually end up calling it a draw to recover from the battle. If I had to fight this guy for real I would NOT want to end up on the ground and would use any and every nasty move I could think of to make certain I am the one to walk away. If someone is close enough to grab you then they are close enough to get hit and visa vera of course. Sincerely, Kevin Janisse --__--__-- Message: 12 From: CStovall@nucorar.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:17:23 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: hapkido ground techniques Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> They use a mixture of Japanese, Portuguese, and English. It mostly depends on where it's being taught. BJJ taught here in the U.S. is mostly in English, and most instructors don't make a big deal out of the terminology. So, if you know the Portuguese terms that's great, but it's not a requirement in most corners. Their naming conventions are a bit funny in that they often name techniques after people (Kimura, Ezekial Choke, etc) or in some way that is symbolic of the technique (i.e., the triangle choke makes reference to the shape the legs take when executing the technique). Some techniques are still known under the Portuguese name and haven't been given English equivalents (the "Omo Plata" for example). Some techniques have very dramatic names back in Brazil. For example, the standard rear naked choke is known as the "lion killer" (Mata Leao). I think they'll standardize the terminology more as the sport aspect continues to grow, since a common language is useful in communicating which techniques are allowed/disallowed in particular divisions at particular tournaments. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. 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