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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1900 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Street technique (Rudy Timmerman) 2. Grappling Question & Such (Brooke Thomas) 3. Re: Re: Music (Craig Zeigler) 4. RE: Music to thump folks by... (Kickin' Family) 5. RE: Thumpin' Tunes (Kickin' Family) 6. RE: Music to do forms by... (Kickin' Family) 7. titles (Chung Do Kwan) 8. RE: titles (Denise) 9. Re: titles (Chuck Mattern) 10. Re: Fun Question (jakskru) 11. 10 cents on music my 2 cents are free (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 12. Vision USA Named Presenting Sponsor of USA Taekwondo (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:29:02 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Street technique Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Brooke writes: > Through the last few years, I have learned a great deal from your > posts and > although I haven't met you, your solid character shows in all of your > posts. > I am hoping you can expound further from your last post. > > "We would use every means available to achieve success in surviving, > and we > would not likely grapple with a grappler or box with a boxer etc." > > I am in complete agreement with you but I guess if one were on the > street > and had an altercation, how would you determine if they were one or the > other (or a kicker, etc) until you were in such close range to either > be > boxed/KOed or see them shoot to the legs? I imagine that the "finding > out > process" is proceeded by the "sizing someone up process" and this is > where > the experience comes in? > > I am curious as to hear from someone with your experience in the arts > how > you size up a stranger on the street or is it just a simple process of > letting them make the first move? Thank you in advance for your reply. > Hello Brooke: Please just call me Rudy, that seems to be the preferred way on the digest (and it makes us all students lol). I have unfortunately been in quite a lot of confrontations. I say unfortunate, because it was during an age where I had not yet learned how to deal with situations in a more amicable manner. I also took on a boxer in a full contact fight sometime in the early 70's. What I learned from these situations is that one should never be lured into the comfort zone of the opponent. Learning this does take some time, but I think most astute people can recognize the stance of the opponent soon enough, and it is at that point where Hap Ki Do shows its real value... versatility. No earth shattering news here, just my few pennies on the issue. I had forgotten about the bout I had with the boxer until Master Booth recently found an article on the fight in one of the earlier magazines. I NEVER forgot that I lost the fight, because I tried to box with the man. In defense of Hap Ki Do value in such situations, I did put the man on the ground early in the first round; however, I just felt that in a fundraising exhibition bout it would not do to stomp on him to break his legs etc. Instead, I boxed with the man after that, and he out pointed me big time there:) We became good friends after that bout, and I continued to learn a lot more from the boxer. I always carry a white belt with me, because it continues to remind me that I am a student first, and a teacher after that. I learn from everybody:) Rudy --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Brooke Thomas" To: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:49:12 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Grappling Question & Such Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jeff- Thank you for your response. It sounds like you have had similar experiences as I have had. I appreciate your reply. Mr. Howard Spivey- "as somebody else posted, many of the techniques that work when you are standing will also work on the ground." You are correct sir but most are difficult or very different on the ground. And also to give credit to Mr. Craig Stovall, as I may have oversimplified the element of Hapkido techniques on the ground...yes, I have once been able to use a wrist lock on the ground to gain a "submission." I also know the "fouls" that we try and avoid with our training partners such as finger locks/breaks, blinding, throat destruction, super wedgie, etc...and yes, these would be necessary to employ in full combat. I guess I mentioned that Hapkido techniques on the ground weren't the first tools in my bag as they had failed me compared to the guillotine, ankle locks, arms bars, rear cokes, etc. versus wrist twists, arm locks, etc. AND AGAIN(!), this may be where I am giving BJJ terms credit for where traditional Hapkido also resides. My apologies...but I haven't heard much about the need of superior ground positioning from the traditional Hapkidoists on this forum(?). Here I must also give a certain amount of credit to Mr. Sims when it come to questioning/identifying the name to our various holds/chokes/locks. I am sure you have no idea of what I am referring to when I identify a "wrist twist" just as I have no idea of what you are referring to when you mention a "fan wrist lock" (I butchered this I know). I can visualize them but I do not know for sure and this is the MOST frustrating part of the #$%^@! art we all know as Hapkido...and I have learned a LOT from what everyone has posted about their various ground techniques. Just from reading this forum, I know I have had a very similar yet very dissimilar experiences in learning what we all refer to as the same thing(?). I also know that when I make references to BJJ, that the dominant positions I mention are sometimes brought back to me as Hapkido "pins." I recognize that the Japanese arts have advantages in being able to identify a certain technique in language as "waza ____." To a certain degree I am happy I didn't have to learn Korean terminology for Hapkido because the leaders/focus seems to vary considerably. I guess the only disadvantage is that it makes it difficult to discuss exact techniques on a forum such as this. Hapkido sometimes seems to have taken the form of whatever people want to name their various judo/jujitsu/wingchung/ninja/BruceLee/deathtouch techniques. Yes, it appears that I have become Mr. Sims...but I encourage other training you do on the side...or at least renaming it something else such as "GroundDeathJutsuwithSuperiorPosition" :-) Brooke Thomas Hapkido Blend --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:56:15 -0500 From: Craig Zeigler To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Music Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Klaas barends wrote: > A lot of music that passes by on the list is quite aggresive. > is there a special reason for it??? > I never play music when I train, are there benefits I am missing??? > > If I drive a car, and I have Rage Against The Machine CD on, noboby is > save..... > > -- > kind regards, > Klaas Barends > > http://www.hapkido.nl/ > Dutch HKD Federation > http://www.sangmookwan.com/ > SangMooKwan International Training Center Korea > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1900 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > I just like to have it on when I'm practicing. It subconsiously seems to set the tempo for some exercises (bad work, and the like). I also find running to music to be a nice distraction, but due to some poor decisions, I don't get to run anymore (drat). When doing poomse or things that require a little more concentration and fluid motion, I either turn it all off, or something soft like Deep Forest --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Kickin' Family" To: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:09:16 -0600 Organization: Kickin' Family Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Music to thump folks by... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings, all... Lots of good suggestions from everyone! We actually use most of the ones y'all have mentioned. Some we'd have to bypass (at least SOME of their tunes) because of lyrics... If it weren't for the wee ones watching mommy and daddy train in class, we'd be alright :) If we're gonna throw "classic rock" into the mix, you gotta have AC/DC... Nice simple, repetitive rhythms with LOTS of power... "Thunderstruck", "Back In Black", "Who Made Who", you name it... Lots of good ones, as long as nobody's asking what the innuendo means :) We have a black belt who warms us up occasionally for kickboxing class, and she is prone to lean toward disco... While I don't really enjoy Village People all that much, the beat is good for a dynamic warm-up... But when class kicks in, the hard rock comes on, usually :) Of course, I once did an open weapon routine for tournaments, using the last 90 seconds or so of "Christmas Eve (Sarajevo)" by Trans-Siberian Orchestra (which is their interpretation of "Carol of the Bells"). The song was initially done by Savatage (a lot of the same members)... Savatage has a classically influenced hard rock sound, and they have some awesome power instrumentals. Just about anything of theirs will work for some kind of training or another... They're definitely my favorite for home training... **bows** - Bert Edens, II Dan TKD Springdale, Arkansas > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Richards > > Craig, > We have got to sit and vibe sometime > I'm with you on Living Colour. Try Wall from their Stain CD also > The Puff Daddy from Godzilla soundtrack is also of the hook > For me, before AAU nats I used > 50 cent > Kid Rock > Nelly > I like to get a good vibe going as it helps the rythym of my foot work > and timing for stop hits and counters :-) > I like a good angst rap metal as it gets my Pil Seung on :-) > My favorite right now is > Disturbed > Also good are > Linkin Park > Stuck Mojo > Infectious Grooves > Rage Against The Machine > Limp Bizkit > Early Metalica > Megadeath > Early QueensRyche > Iron Maiden > Keep it real, > MC --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Kickin' Family" To: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:13:27 -0600 Organization: Kickin' Family Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Thumpin' Tunes Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings, all... Hey, if we're talking about Sabbath covers, you gotta include "N.I.B." by Primus and Ozzy... That smokes! **bows** - Bert Edens Springdale, Arkansas > -----Original Message----- Mahal Misty Mountain Hop - 4 Non Blondes (Led Zeppelin cover) Paranoid - Megadeth (Black Sabbath cover) Rollin' and Tumblin' - Jeff Beck (Muddy Thanks to everyone for the playlists! Dakin --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Kickin' Family" To: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:32:11 -0600 Organization: Kickin' Family Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Music to do forms by... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings, sir... Gotta agree with you there... In earlier posts, I was responding to questions about tunez for sparring, grappling, etc. A high energy workout... I use the same music when I do forms as a workout. Now, when I work on forms and go through them slowly so a single technique takes 5-10 seconds to complete, I will almost always throw on some bamboo flute music or perhaps some traditional Korean music (samulnori, kayageum, Daegum, Haegum, etc.). There are also quite a few Native American tunes that I enjoy, especially with woodwinds (you'll notice that preference in the above suggestions :-)). And yes, there are times I train with no music, of course... It should also be noted that sometimes I will try to do "testing level" forms, as if I'm testing for dan rank, but with a lot of loud, blaring music. It helps me work on tuning it out and concentrating on the form, which subsequently helps me when actually testing, when it comes to putting aside peripheral sensory input... Just a thought :) **bows** - Bert Edens Springdale, Arkansas > -----Original Message----- > Good Sirs, > Someone mentioned stopping the thread before someone explodes. Might > I > point out the nice selections of traditional music available at most > martial > arts suppliers? I DO use this when I do forms. > This sets my mood and lets me pay attention to what I'm doing. I love the > heavy metal and hip hop for workouts and running though. > Respectfully, > George --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:25:23 -0800 (PST) From: Chung Do Kwan To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] titles Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Does anyone know the Korean vesion for the word Senior Student? Master Smith U.M.A.S. ===== Yours in the Martial Arts, Troy L. Smith, Jr. United Martial Arts Society President www.umas.biz __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Denise" To: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:25:40 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: titles Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We use "Sunbae Nim". Hubae is for the junior. Hope this helps . . . Denise >Does anyone know the Korean vesion for the word Senior Student? Master Smith U.M.A.S. ===== Yours in the Martial Arts, Troy L. Smith, Jr. United Martial Arts Society President www.umas.biz --__--__-- Message: 9 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] titles Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:30:47 -0500 From: "Chuck Mattern" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Smith, To the best of my knowledge you are looking for a title pronounce either "sam be" or "som bay" Regards, Chuck > Does anyone know the Korean vesion for the word Senior > Student? > > Master Smith > U.M.A.S. > > ===== > Yours in the Martial Arts, > Troy L. Smith, Jr. > United Martial Arts Society > President > www.umas.biz > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1900 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Fun Question Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:32:01 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net enter the dragon....jet li, jeff speakman, snoop dog...you figure out who is who... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jye nigma" To: Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 8:51 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] Fun Question > Ok, here's a fun question I just thought of....if you would have a remake of an old martial art movie hit the big screen what would it be? and who would you want to star in it? > > Jye > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1900 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:16:24 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] 10 cents on music my 2 cents are free Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Music in training I agree music can set a mood, but IMHO music has no place in the Do-Jang with the exception of maybe nature sounds, the ocean, or some other natural sounds during meditation. Music can be motivating, and play on the emotions of people, however we as martial artist should be self motivated. At our Do-Jang we enter the training area salute the flags and bow. Following that bow there is no talking, no socializing, and no music. This is time to get mentally prepared by meditation and physically prepared by stretching. Because every students understands this there is a focus on preparation and an environment of learning. During training the instructor gives commands, and instruction. Students ask questions at the appropriate times by raising their hand and waiting to be recognized by the instructor while all other students stand at attention listening to the question and the given answer. During Ho Sin Sool practice we tap out to prevent conversation and disruption. Only mental communication and the tap. Music in the class does not fit into the military structure. It seems commercializing, and club like. Although it may seem to help some become motivated and others may enjoy that type of exercise. It is not IMHO Moo Do. Respectfully JC --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:05:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Vision USA Named Presenting Sponsor of USA Taekwondo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net February 12, 2005 U S Taekwondo TAEKWONDO: Vision USA Named Presenting Sponsor of USA Taekwondo USA Taekwondo has announced an agreement with Vision USA, an Oakland, California-based marital arts equipment supplier, to be a presenting sponsor for the organization. The agreement is for the 2005-2008 quadrennium. "We are excited about partnering with Vision USA," said USA Taekwondo CEO Bob Gambardella. "There are lots of great potential partners out there, but this group has stepped up to help USA Taekwondo in all aspects of our business, including sponsorship, events, teams, camps, programs and most importantly, the development of our athletes. We look forward to working with them as they bring a diversity of Taekwondo equipment and related accessories." In 2005, Vision USA will be the Presenting Sponsor for all USA Taekwondo National Events and Qualifiers, as well as the World Championship Team, the Junior Pan Am Championship Team and other national teams. "Vision USA is committed to the same goals as USA Taekwondo, enabling athletes to achieve competitive excellence," said Vision USA President Sun H. Kang. "Thus, we are delighted to be selected as a sponsor of USA Taekwondo. Today is a great day for both USA Taekwondo and Vision USA. We will mark this day as the day Vision USA is gaining a new friend and ally in the mission of promoting growth of the sport of Taekwondo" Vision USA's business includes consulting and sponsoring martial arts events as well as setting up and remodeling martial arts schools. They been a longtime sponsor of local, national and international martial arts events, including the 2001 USA Taekwondo Junior Olympics, the 1997-2001 University of California-Berkeley Open Championships, the 1998 WTF Pan-Am Open Championships, and the 2001 Funakoshi Open Karate Championships. For more information, visit Vision USA's website at www.mykick.com. ### USA Taekwondo is the National Governing Body for the sport of Taekwondo in the United States. U.S. Taekwondo athletes have won three medals in the past two Olympic Games (gold by Steven Lopez in 2000 & 2004, and silver by Nia Abdallah in 2004). USA Taekwondo's mission is to enable United States athletes to achieve sustained competitive excellence and promote and grow the sport of Taekwondo. Author: Bill Kellick Organization: USA Taekwondo Phone: 719-866-3626 --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest