Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:05:27 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #66 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1900 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: The_Dojang digest, Term for Senior Student (Raymond Navarro) 2. Bert Edens music for forms (George Peters) 3. Denise.......Sunbae Nim (George Peters) 4. Re: Sticky Hands? (jakskru) 5. Re: Sticky Hands? (jakskru) 6. JC from Gladewater on music.... (George Peters) 7. RE: Enter The Fa-Shizzle Dragon (Kickin' Family) 8. Re: 10 cents on music my 2 cents are free (Jye nigma) 9. Re: Sticky Hands? (jakskru) 10. Re: 10 cents on music my 2 cents are free (jakskru) 11. Re: yudo/judo translations (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 12. Ong Bak (Richard Tomlinson) 13. Moo Do Music (Charles Richards) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:50:40 -0800 (PST) From: Raymond Navarro To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, Term for Senior Student Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net   Hi Master Smith The term for the martial arts ifrst it must be remembered that in the orient, Korea, in this case the martial arts are like a home, a family were the teacher is the father figure and it must reseive the respect that a father deserves so all the students are seen as sons. This would in base make the family, kids be devided into 3 parts that are the older kids, the middle kids and the little kids and its equivalent in the martial arts would be older students, youger students and beginers. In terminology it would be translated somthing like this: Older students are SunBae-Nim, Younger students as HuBae-Nim and beginers like HuBae-Nim. Lets no forget that the term Nim is a sign of respect, lets call it a tittle or simbol of respect simbolizing Gentlemen, Sir or Honorable ! Thanks and hope this helps. HAP Ramon NavarroSabomNim de HapKiDoSong Moo Kwan HapKiDoPanama Ciudad de Panama 7. titles (Chung Do Kwan) Message: 7 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:25:23 -0800 (PST) From: Chung Do Kwan To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] titles Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Does anyone know the Korean vesion for the word Senior Student? Master Smith U.M.A.S. ===== Yours in the Martial Arts, Troy L. Smith, Jr. United Martial Arts Society President www.umas.biz   ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get a web-based email for life now ---> http://mail.hapkidokr.org --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:00:51 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Bert Edens music for forms Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir, I agree! Love that bamboo flute and native american flute. I find that these have a very calming influence on me. Respectfully, George --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:42:52 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Denise.......Sunbae Nim Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Maam, Your reference to Sunbae Nim as senior student is, according to my org quite correct. Respectfully, George --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Sticky Hands? Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:02:38 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net here is one more to help...wish i had the time to explain it myself, but i would need to write a small book... http://www.wingchunkuen.com/why/articles/contemporary/chu_chisao.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Woodard" To: Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 10:41 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] Sticky Hands? > Again; > I am curious, what is this drill or technique of "sticky hands"? If you are > worried about bandwidth feel free to email me --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Sticky Hands? Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:00:17 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net here is just a small smattering of chi sao topics...there are countless books available on the topic...look for stuff from wing tsun kung fu or jeet kun do.... http://www.angelfire.com/pa/99vs66/chisau.html http://www.moyyat.com/chisao.html http://www.wingchunonline.com/WCS_Training/Don_Chi_Sao.html http://www.windycitywingchun.com/articles/articles9.html http://www.columbia.edu/cu/selfdefense/chi.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Woodard" To: Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 10:41 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] Sticky Hands? > Again; > I am curious, what is this drill or technique of "sticky hands"? If you are > worried about bandwidth feel free to email me privately. I want to know about > the sticky hands? > > Thanks in advance > > Brian Woodard --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:14:31 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] JC from Gladewater on music.... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir, I agree 100% on music in the dojang. I have never and do not believe I would use music during any formal class of any kind when I have students in the school. When I use music, it is for "private practice" or to set the mood in a gym or on my player for during a run. At home I have used it to motivate and push myself to some higher limit. I practice Traditional Tang Soo Do and would never do anything to change or deviate from what I have been taught while in the dojang. There has been considerable pressure in recent years for our org to "meet the times", and I have been proud that we have remained steadfast in our commitment to traditional training. Respectfully, George --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Kickin' Family" To: Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:42:51 -0600 Organization: Kickin' Family Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Enter The Fa-Shizzle Dragon Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings, sir... Wow, Snoop in the title role... Would have never thought of that... Great idea! :) **bows** - Bert Edens, II Dan Springdale, Arkansas > -----Original Message----- > From: "jakskru" > > enter the dragon....jet li, jeff speakman, snoop dog...you figure out who > is > who... --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:42:43 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] 10 cents on music my 2 cents are free To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Perhaps it doesn't have a place in the dojang, but one should consider the history of the martial art they are training in. For instance, traditionally, TKD dojangs may not have had any music, or may have had korean music played at certain times I truly don't know. We have to remember that another culture may have its own traditional music that was played during training though. I tend to think of the African martial arts where chanting and music is done. Now when others are talking about music like black sabbath, or krs-1 etc being played, I'm assuming they are not speaking of it being played in a formal class environment. For me at least, I listen to music outside of a formal class. Jye Gladewater SooBahkDo wrote: < Snip >Music in training I agree music can set a mood, but IMHO music has no place in the Do-Jang with the exception of maybe nature sounds, the ocean, or some other natural sounds during meditation. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Sticky Hands? Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:03:58 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net and yet one more that is very helpful... http://www.themartialist.com/pecom/chisao.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Woodard" To: Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 10:41 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] Sticky Hands? > Again; > I am curious, what is this drill or technique of "sticky hands"? If you are --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] 10 cents on music my 2 cents are free Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:53:48 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net our school is much the same way...although there is a little bit of socializing sometimes...we do have oriental flavored music in the background.....however, when i train outside of class, the music i listen to helps me focus better, especially if there is a good tempo. also, my teacher once said that to help eliminate robotic movements and to increase flow, before you perform a technique one should try to free the mind by thinking about music instead of the technique....and i gotta say that this has helped tremendously...instead of thinking about the movements in steps as i do them, i will run through them in my head then just think of some music that fits and just let it flow. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 4:16 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] 10 cents on music my 2 cents are free > Music in training > > I agree music can set a mood, but IMHO music has no place in the Do-Jang with > the exception of maybe nature sounds, the ocean, or some other natural sounds > during meditation. > > Music can be motivating, and play on the emotions of people, however we as > martial artist should be self motivated. At our Do-Jang we enter the training --__--__-- Message: 11 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:35:09 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: yudo/judo translations Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net here's a few for you, edward, first in english, then korean, then japanese. not sure how its going to show up on the list though, just copied it out of my excel file: Shoulder Throw Ubochigi Seoinage One Arm Shoulder Throw Hanpal Ubochigi Seoinage Body Drop Bit Danggyochigi Tai Otoshi Hip Sweeping Hori Hoorigi Harai-goshi Lift & Drop Duromechigi None Shoulder Wheel Ukeromechigi Kata-guruma Scarf Hold Kyutnoorugi Horikesa-gatame Top Four Corner Hold Witnoorugi Kami-shiho-gatame Single Wing Choke Chukjikoro Jorugi Kataha-jime take care, melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy _www.cjmaa.com_ (http://www.cjmaa.com/) 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply _www.cjmas.com_ (http://www.cjmas.com/) 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Richard Tomlinson" To: Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:46:33 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Ong Bak Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net As I am catching up on the digest, Jye asked about Ong Bak...... it's AWSOME!!!!!!!!! A real treat, real stunts, real martial arts, and NO STRING FLYING!!!!!! The DVD I watched would repeat a technique in slow mode so you could really see it. We watched only the action stuff first....and there is alot of it! Truly a must see!!!!!!!!!! Oh, the plots pretty cool too....:) sandy --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:52:59 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Moo Do Music Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I read "Music in the class does not fit into the military structure. It seems commercializing, and club like. Although it may seem to help some become motivated and others may enjoy that type of exercise. It is not IMHO Moo Do." MC Reply Ever hear of a Jody Helps the grunts keep cadence (and spirit) over those long marches And what about bagpipes and drum and fife music And buggle calls? Anyway music is a huge part of the military way. Personally I do not conduct class with music on, but I would never jog or walk the treadmill without it, plus what Ray and I said about footwook drills. I think it has it's place. Moderation in all things including moderation, neh? MC --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest