Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 03:04:01 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #68 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1900 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Music in MA (George Peters) 2. Re: The_Dojang digest, Term for Senior Student (Raymond Navarro) 3. Re: The_Dojang digest, welcome in anything on Terminology (Raymond Navarro) 4. Re: The_Dojang digest, more on terminology (Raymond Navarro) 5. sadness (bmac2) 6. RE: sticking hands (CStovall@nucorar.com) 7. Jakarta to have tae kwon do center (Ray Terry) 8. USA Taekwondo (Ray Terry) 9. Re several items (Brooke Thomas) 10. Master J.R. West Clinic in WI (DPRYGA) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:36:17 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Music in MA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sirs, Did anyone catch the scene in Hero with Jet Li where he asks the old blind man to play a tune(for him and another figure to spar to). I enjoyed that one. Respectfully, George --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:25:10 -0800 (PST) From: Raymond Navarro To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, Term for Senior Student Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net 1. Re: The_Dojang digest, Term for Senior Student (Raymond Navarro) Hi Master Smith, I will correct here the error as I placed wrong for beginers: Choboja The term for the martial arts ifrst it must be remembered that in the orient, Korea, in this case the martial arts are like a home, a family were the teacher is the father figure and it must reseive the respect that a father deserves so all the students are seen as sons. This would in base make the family, kids be devided into 3 parts that are the older kids, the middle kids and the little kids and its equivalent in the martial arts would be older students, youger students and beginers. In terminology it would be translated somthing like this: Older studentsare SunBae-Nim, Younger students as HuBae-Nim and beginers like HuBae-Nim - ChoboJa. Lets no forget that the term Nim is a sign of respect, lets call it a tittle or simbol of respect simbolizing Gentlemen, Sir or Honorable ! Thanks and hope this helps. HAP Ramon Navarro           &nbs p;            &nb sp;            &n bsp;            & nbsp;                           ;            &nbs p;            &nb sp;         HapKiDo SabomNim           &nb sp;            &n bsp;            & nbsp;                           ;            &nbs p;            &nb sp;            &n bsp;        Song Moo Kwan HapKiDo  Panama City, Panama 7. titles (Chung Do Kwan) Message: 7 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:25:23 -0800 (PST) From: Chung Do Kwan To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] titles Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Does anyone know the Korean vesion for the word Senior Student? Master Smith U.M.A.S. ===== Yours in the Martial Arts, Troy L. Smith, Jr. United Martial Arts Society President www.umas.biz   ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get a web-based email for life now ---> http://mail.hapkidokr.org --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:55:47 -0800 (PST) From: Raymond Navarro To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, welcome in anything on Terminology Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Danny Dunn, be blessed. You are very welcome to anything that I can help with not just terminology, I do not know it all but I am willing to make research if my teacher GM Park, SongIL 9th Dan & Song Moo HapKiDo founder, does not clear my mind and thoughts; ok ? HAP Ramon Navarro4th Dan Black BeltHapKiDo SabomNimSong Moo Kwan HapKiDoPanama City Panama 5. Sun Bae-Hu Bae Definitions (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) Message: 5 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:00:00 -0600 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Sun Bae-Hu Bae Definitions Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Navarro, Excellent explanation of terms sir. Danny Dunn   ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get a web-based email for life now ---> http://mail.hapkidokr.org --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:10:17 -0800 (PST) From: Raymond Navarro To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, more on terminology Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi again Danny Dunn To all here, a beginner is some one that is under a Black Belt since it is soposed to be from ChoDan or 1st dan that one is soposed to strart learning, at least in HapKiDo with KwanJang-Nim Park, SongIL 9th Dan and Song Moo HapKiDo founder it is so. I heve been under him teaching now for 29 years and you could say that a beginer is the Gup levels to 1st Dan, this would be a ChoboJa; an intermidiet member is 1st & 2nd Dan are HubeNim and SunbeNim are 3rd Dans since an advanced Black Belt are from the teacher levels that start from 4th Dan they would be called KoDanJa. Take care and be blessed Danny and all here. HAP Ramon Navarro4th Dan HapKiDo SabomNimSong Moo Kwan HapKiDoPanama City Panama 5. Sun Bae-Hu Bae Definitions (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) Message: 5 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:00:00 -0600 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Sun Bae-Hu Bae Definitions Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Navarro, Excellent explanation of terms sir. Danny Dunn   ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get a web-based email for life now ---> http://mail.hapkidokr.org --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:25:30 -0600 From: "bmac2" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] sadness Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Randy, Thank you for letting us know about the tragic loss of Jake Pfingstens. I had the pleasure of meeting this martial art family on my visit to Master DeWitt's school a few years ago. We are saddened to hear this news and send our thoughts from Texas to Brainerd. Kat Kelly ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net --__--__-- Message: 6 From: CStovall@nucorar.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:29:29 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: sticking hands Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> Kinda, sorta, and not really. Tai Chi push hands can actually be contested with the goal of pushing/pulling one's opponent off-balance. Wing Chun's Chi Sao tends to be more of a drill. Push hands (from my eye) looks to be more of a dynamic drill that incorporates more footwork and more "total body" power. Chi Sao is more static from the footwork standpoint, and concentrates on using upper body angling and the traditional blocks (ton sao, bong sao, fook sao, etc) to blend/redirect/dissolve your partner's strikes. They are similar in that they impart a certain tactile sensitivity that is crucial to the proper application of the specific art. They are dissimilar in that they have different specific goals, and different attack/defense methods of achieving those goals. Push hands = knock/pull them off the line. Chi sao = nullify striking attacks, and make the way for one's own striking attacks. 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Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:32:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Jakarta to have tae kwon do center Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jakarta to have tae kwon do center JAKARTA: A 2,100-seat tae kwon do center will be inaugurated next month in Cibubur, East Jakarta, thanks to assitance from the Korean International Cooperation Agency (KOICA). Oh Il Nam, a South Korean consultant to the Indonesian team, said on Monday that the fully air conditioned building, built on a 2.5-hectare plot of land owned by the government since April 2004, would be opened on March 13. "The building will be mainly used as a training center for national tae kwon do athletes," Oh said. "But it can also function as a venue for other sports organizations to hold competitions, such as basketball, volleyball and badminton." The first event scheduled for the hall is the national tae kwon do championship, which will start on March. 14. -- JP --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:39:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] USA Taekwondo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I thought I had forwarded this to the list back in early November, but it looks like I did not. A number of folks have asked offline for info, so here is the official press release from mid-Nov. Ray =========================================================================== USA Taekwondo Unveils New Name and Logo As It Steps Up Marketing Efforts November 11, 2004 COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - United States Taekwondo Union, the National Governing Body for the sport of Taekwondo in the United States today officially unveiled its new name and logo. The organization, legally known as the United States Taekwondo Union, will now be operating using a new name "USA Taekwondo, Inc." and it has developed a new logo to coincide with its much-increased marketing efforts. USA Taekwondo, Inc. is now the new name of the organization. The points of the star in the new logo are the colors of the five Olympic rings and represent the five tenets of Taekwondo: courtesy, integrity, self-control, perseverance and indomitable spirit. "As we continue to increase our marketing efforts on behalf of Taekwondo athletes in the U.S., we felt it was necessary to modernize our image as an organization," said Bob Gambardella, Chief Executive Officer of USA Taekwondo. "An organization's name and logo are its most visible images. We feel that changing our organization's name to USA Taekwondo brings us more in line with other National Governing Bodies within the Olympic movement. We also feel that our new logo has a very modern look while adhering to the ideals that make the sport of Taekwondo unique." Chair of the United States Taekwondo Union's Governance and Management Committee, Steve Locke added, "The USA Taekwondo new logo is a crisp new image piece with symbols providing meaningful demonstration of the tenets of being a Taekwondo athlete. The use by United States Taekwondo Union of the name "USA Taekwondo" and the use of the new logo will help brand the new name through many new uses to positively position Taekwondo with athletes, sponsors, event organizers, and within the Olympic family." As USA Taekwondo moves forward in its effort to market the sport to the American people, the new logo will soon be seen on merchandise, sporting equipment, promotional materials, posters, publications, signage and other marketing materials developed by USA Taekwondo. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Brooke Thomas" To: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:19:57 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re several items Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Hilland- "...I find comfort in not only knowing the Korean terminology, but where it came from, the Korean language and culture. It is part of the history and legacy. Hapkido has not been unified by an organization that brings the terminology together for the good of the sport as is judo or taekwondo. So it is going to be unique to your lineage and part of your tradition. It is part of your legacy, it is also part of your art..." As far as I know from the Hapkido linage I have been exposed to, Master Jung Bai Lee (later changed his name to Master James Bond Lee) taught all of his techniques as wrist grab/escape #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, etc. The techniques were taught as numbers and weren't given Korean names. Master Sexton taught them as the same and referred to them as numbered techniques. The Hapkido school I attend made the decision that students learn and retain names for techniques better than numbers for techniques and therefore added the English terminology. I haven't been given much (any?) exposure to Korean terminology or culture except for bowing to the flags--I'm not saying that's right or wrong but just my experience. You are probably correct that the "wrist twist" name I use coming from Aikido. I am curious if anyone has heard of the learning speed/retention of names over numbers for techniques? I stated in my last post that I was essentially relieved not to have had to learn the Korean terminology for every technique as it would appear to me that with the various factions of Hapkido, that even in Korean (and the Koreans who came to the US), the techniques still have different Korean names for the same technique? So I potentially could be learning pieces of a language while studying the arts that still may not be universal when traveling to another dojang? Am I off base here? Do the various Hapkido organizations refer to their techniques differently even in Korean? Brooke Thomas Hapkido Blend --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:12:37 -0600 From: DPRYGA To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Master J.R. West Clinic in WI Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi All, We just wanted to let everyone know that Master West will be doing his clinic here on Sat. June 4th, 2005. Please contact me with any questions regarding any aspect. THANKS.........Dave Pryga --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest