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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: ground altercations (Jye nigma) 2. Re: Being well rounded (Jeff Hazen) 3. Making an instruction dvd (Klaas barends) 4. Central authority, MooDukKwan and accreditation (Tkdsid@aol.com) 5. splinters (mojakwan@yahoo.com) 6. Sifu Lee (mojakwan@yahoo.com) 7. mutual combat (mojakwan@yahoo.com) 8. this and that (J R Hilland) 9. TKD & more? (Dugy) 10. Benefits of "Rolling" (V. Popofski) 11. Re: Central authority, MooDukKwan and accreditation (Ray) 12. Re: TKD & more? (Ray) 13. RE: Sifu Lee (kdiwa@optonline.net) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:54:50 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] ground altercations To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net whoa...I had a flashback when you mentioned gangs and weapoins...lol. Yeah a 9mm will most definitely make you change courses...lol. One thing I hope you learned and others will learn is that when you are going some place and alone always have your keys in hand, and the min key ready. Jye J R Hilland wrote: It looks like everyone is going to have a different history as none of the altercations I was in during my younger foolish days ever ended up on the ground. But then again they usually involved a weapon and several gang members.... But the best self defense story is one that never happened. I was young, in my mid 30's. At the grocery store, about 2 am, getting my wife some flu mediation. Not many cars in the lot as I came out of the store. I jumped on my Harley and while I was getting my keys, around the corner came 4 gang want-to-bees swinging chains and a baseball bat walking right at me. I took out my 9 mm (I legally carry) and pointed it at the ground. They simply changed directions. When I got home, I called a friend of mine who was on patrol that night and he took them on a free ride to the country jail as they were still hanging around the same store. --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 16:17:16 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Hazen To: the_dojang Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Being well rounded Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net GS: However if you prepare to sprawl and can avoid the shoot a striker can GS: take the grappler out of his game and be very effective. A good example of this is the Chuck Liddell vs. Tito Ortiz in one of the UFC bouts I saw on Spike TV the other day. Although according to the announcers, Liddell had recently been training with the Gracies regarding "takedown defense", so it may require "sleeping with the enemy", so to speak, if you really want to get good at defending against takedowns. I know I never did well when doing MMA sparring against some of my friends who had previous wrestling experience, though I improved *some* after having them teach me their favored takedown moves... --jeff "There are only five sacred items. Water, wind, earth, fire & Milla. Gasoline comes from earth and creates fire. Surely this is enough to show you how sacred gasoline is." -Travis Pahl --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Klaas barends Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:52:06 +0900 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Making an instruction dvd Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Say you would like to make a GOOD instruction dvd of your favorite martial art. What are the things you have to look for? Take care of in advance? etc. etc. Which mistakes shouldn't one make? I guess there are some people here on the digest with experience, maybe they would like to share some of it. -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ Dutch HKD Federation http://www.sangmookwan.com/ SangMooKwan International Training Center Korea --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Tkdsid@aol.com Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 21:28:02 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Central authority, MooDukKwan and accreditation Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I started in Moodukkwan in 1964..looooooooooooong before we knew about taekwondo. The moodukkwan of today has evolved and as I see it is a uniform art. Now what I mean regarding central authority has nothing to do with making all kma,,jma or cma the same. I am saying that standards must be kept high with requirements being similar nationwide. Accreditation of colleges and universities doesn't in any way make them all the same but it does mean that facilities will be good, instructors will be highly trained and expectations of high literacy are expected. What we have in MA today, are some masters that have very high standards, some sell blackbelts and a hodgepodge of mixed and mixed up martial arts that afford little if any supervised cross training. Quite frankly, I feel that physical fitness standards are poor and we don't spend time on the "do" "budo" or "mudo". There is also the widespread practice of taking money for dan promotion and not delivering. I have recently been ripped off for kukkiwon certification by an unscupulous pseudo martial artist. But that's just me! SR --__--__-- Message: 5 From: To: Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:48:43 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] splinters Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I read The current AAU TKD is a splinter group from the USTU (USA TKD). ITF is a splinter group. One of these current or future splinter groups may be the next big hit in MA. Right now, there could be a great leader with superior MA skills and knowledge, who is developing are great MA program and he or she may not be connected with AAU, ITF or WTF. Just food for thought. MC Reply Dear JOHN, The USSSA Taekwondo is formed from members of the AAU as you stated AAU is effectively a splinter from USTU. All three orgs use WTF rules so the difference is client service, neh? Anyway my Dan certification is from USKMAF and I train in TSD. Maybe I believe my leader has superior skills, knowledge AND client service than other orgs that offer certification in TSD, neh? Train with Jung Do in your hearts, The rest is commentary, MC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.6.0 - Release Date: 3/2/2005 --__--__-- Message: 6 From: To: Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:54:13 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Sifu Lee Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I read do you think for a minute if Bruce Lee was alive today he wouldn't be learning how to ground fight?? MC Reply, That's the 4th range :-) Be Well, MC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.6.0 - Release Date: 3/2/2005 --__--__-- Message: 7 From: To: Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 23:14:18 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] mutual combat Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I read I've also had students who tried to hurt me because they wanted to demonstrate that the techniques they had learned elsewhere were better than what I was teaching them. If I can let them win and leave without getting hurt, I do. I'm not terribly interested in getting involved in mutual combat. MC Reply, Sometimes I hate transfer students. But mostly new students with 10th Dan egos. Anyway the other day my adult male Yellow Belt was monkeying around with his partner doing bubba what ifs to the assign joint manipulation (which he didn't have down very well, but thought he did because he was muscling through it). He asked the inevitable question that always leads to Darwinistic Taoist learning in our school...."yes, but couldn't I do xyz, that technique doesn't work" Of course all the other students that had asked that question smirked as I said "OK show me." Of course this barrel chested gentleman had rassled in HS and now his ego wouldn't allow him to have the technique work so he was correct the technique didn't go exactly as planned. His muscling through the counter put us both at risk for being hurt so my natural instinct was to minimize risk. He found me behind him in a classic choke. As I dropped to one knee to explain how lowering my center changed the technique, I realized that he was "taking a nap" After I revived him I think he came to understand that the reason you learn to do the basics correctly is that they do work, and if you remain calm there is always another option when your first strategy doesn't work. Be Well, MC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.6.0 - Release Date: 3/2/2005 --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 23:53:37 -0600 From: J R Hilland To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] this and that Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Nice story, reminds me of Mike Reed (one of Dr. Kimm's guys), while teaching at the big event in Jackson, he walked up to two guys destroying a technique and hurting each other along the way and simply told them, these techniques have been around a VERY long time and there is nothing to prove, there is absolutely no reason to force it like that. You go to Master West's dojang and no one gets hurt. We are talking a large class and a large dojang. Leave the ego at the door or don't come in. Remember the guy in Texas who attacked me, the story from earlier this week? I found out a few months after that incident, they used to go down to the beach and just pick fights and beat up the biggest guy they could find. He and is association buddies. Funny the first time he lost was with someone who had been actually training, a little hapkido fellow. :) <<<"I can't make this move work without hurting you." And then he would let me go. Later I met another hapkido instructor who said exactly the same words to one of his students, and then kicked him solidly in the abdomen so he could do the technique. Which of these guys would you want to train with? Hint: the second guy later went to prison! >>> Who said we can't discuss hapkido technique on the DD? :) <<>> Keep it up Ray! We will miss you in Jackson. Jennifer and I fly from Fargo, to St. Paul, to Chicago and then will finally make it to Jackson. Switching planes each time. But we are looking forward to seeing everyone! <<>> Jere R. Hilland www.rrhapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Dugy" To: Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:35:27 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD & more? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net hello, This is all very interesting reading. I am the 57 yr old who just started the TKD and I am enjoying it very much. It is keeping me in shape, gives me some self confirdence and improves my mobility for other actitives. However I am also taking a video self defense course and the producer of these videos writes (in his daily column), "Many systems teach high kicking, complicated wrist maneuvers, hard to hit pressure points and other techniques that most likely would never work under the stress of a street attack." My question is will continuous work outs and earning the higher belts to eventually the black belt, protect me from street attacks? I have been mugged a few times and am tired of it. I am usually the one to stop or try to stop fights. But being mugged is never something one plans. It's ineveitble in the area I presently live and this is my main reason for taking TKD. So, can anyone suggest an additional source of training. ( I intend to stay with TKD, as I am signed up now for 6 months and enjoy the workouts and form moves.) Thank you. Doug --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "V. Popofski" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:27:55 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Benefits of "Rolling" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net As a hapkido instructor, to me, the benefits of "rolling" are that students can learn to apply joint locks, chokes, and other submissions safely against a resisting partner and develop other skills that translate to standup fighting. The joint locks used in groundfighting rely on the same principles as the joint locks we learn standing up. However, you can't apply an armlock in a sparring situation standing up because you are not controlling the person's body, only focusing on the joint you want to attack. In ground sparring, you must first control the person's body, then you can safely apply an armlock, choke, etc. without hurting the other person because he cannot move around to injure himself. Rolling allows students to learn counters and combination techniques, and they get the feeling of what it takes to actually subduing someone who isn't just standing there and letting them put a technique on them. Breath control and learning to not panic if someone is on top of you trying to choke you is another benefit. If anyone else has any ideas on how to train joint locks and chokes safely against a resisting partner, I'd like to hear them. Thanks. --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Central authority, MooDukKwan and accreditation To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:07:27 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I started in Moodukkwan in 1964..looooooooooooong before we knew about > taekwondo. The moodukkwan of today has evolved and as I see it is a uniform art. > Now what I mean regarding central authority has nothing to do with making all > kma,,jma or cma the same. ??? There is no standardization or uniformity across the various MDKs. The primary MDK group in Korea is the Korea TKD MDK Org. But outside of Korea you have multiple TKD MDK, TSD MDK, and one (more?) SBD MDK org. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] TKD & more? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:11:49 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > .. My question is > will continuous work outs and earning the higher belts to eventually the black > belt, protect me from street attacks? No. > I have been mugged a few times and am tired of it. Well, there is no fool proof way to not get mugged (save perhaps a half-dozen bodyguards), but a high state of awareness and improving your ability to not appear a likely candidate during the perp's 'interview process' will help. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "kdiwa@optonline.net" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Sifu Lee Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:11:48 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Didn't Bruce Lee train in grappling with his good friend "Judo" Gene Labell? Kevin D. Original Message: ----------------- From: mojakwan@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 22:54:13 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Sifu Lee I read do you think for a minute if Bruce Lee was alive today he wouldn't be learning how to ground fight?? MC Reply, That's the 4th range :-) Be Well, MC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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