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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Mr. Hilland's Comment (Dewitt, Garrett) 2. Jackson (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 3. HKD KJN (Charles Richards) 4. Re: Re: Mr. Hilland's Comment (Ray) 5. stretching machines? (Jeremy Callner) 6. Korean history (Ray) 7. heading to Jackson (J R Hilland) 8. GRANDMASTER OF HAPKIDO SEMINAR DATE (James Allison) 9. Re: heading to Jackson (Ray) 10. Arnold Classics (Rudy Timmerman) 11. [Eskrima] Manual of the Baratero (fwd) (Ray) 12. Re: Arnold Classics (jakskru) 13. Lighten' up Jere Re:Teaching the art, the whole art, and nothing but the art (Jim) 14. Teaching the art... (Brooke Thomas) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Dewitt, Garrett" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:42:54 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Mr. Hilland's Comment Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Hilland writes: We have a dojang over on the Minnesota side of Fargo that claims to teach 3 arts, but when I visited the dojang, he was really only about taekwondo. For some strange reason he promotes himself as a triple grandmaster (not even sure what the modern American term 'grandmaster' is all about) as he ads up his dan ranks and claims that rank. That is good for a laugh. I had a new student start last week whose bother-in-law is a taekwondo instructor at the dojang, but also holds a hapkido chodan as he once attended a hapkido seminar. Mr. Hilland. I know of this TKD school and their affiliates "claims" as well. I recently had a Mother and son come to workout with us, (she was a purple belt, he was red belt and had previously trained at a Fargo affiliate dojang) and she claimed that "she and her son were black belts in Hap Ki Do." Apparently the "becoming a black belt in Hap Ki Do weekend seminar thing" is true. She told me, " we drove to Fargo for a Saturday Hap Ki Do seminar, paid the $300.00 (each) and did Hap Ki Do until 4:00 P.M." I asked "to see the certificate" but she did not bring it in and they both dropped out a short time later. I guess I offended her. Operating my own martial arts dojang you would think that I would know better than to ask a potential student, after their claim of dahn rank, "to bring in the dahn certificate." Sometimes my silly questions even amaze me. Hope you are well Mr. Hilland Regards Garrett DeWitt Brainerd, MN. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:27:01 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Jackson Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'll see you folks in Jackson -- Jim McHie and I are driving down tomorrow. :) Dakin --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 06:44:09 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] HKD KJN Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I read Just to let everyone know that we still have a few spaces open for our upcoming seminar with Grandmaster JI HAN JAE. This is going to be a great opportunity to train with one of the best martial artist on the planet. My school is located just 74 miles North east of Atlanta in the North Georgia mountains. We are going to have a great group to train with. If you would like more information feel free to contact me by email or call my school. Date? MC Reply, Master Allison is an excellent host, with a fully matted large dojang. I believe the date is April 16, 2005. Cornellia really is a beautiful drive from Atlanta. Best wishes to all that attend. I would go personally, but will be helping out at another USSSA state qualifier in Nashville that weekend. MC --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Mr. Hilland's Comment To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:38:51 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > We have a dojang over on the Minnesota side of Fargo that claims to teach 3 > arts, but when I visited the dojang, he was really only about taekwondo. For > some strange reason he promotes himself as a triple grandmaster (not even > sure what the modern American term 'grandmaster' Maybe cold weather does something bad to brain cells... There is a school in Montana that claims to teach "Hapkido Karate", and they term their school a dojo. !!! Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Jeremy Callner" To: Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:51:31 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] stretching machines? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just curious, What do you guys think of stretching machines? Does anybody use one? Can this be a good idea? Jeremy --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:13:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean history Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... I was just told about a very well-animated map of Korean history from 0AD-1000AD. http://www.ecai.org/Area/AreaTeamExamples/Korea/KoreaHistoryAnimation.html I think multimedia tools like this can be very useful for beginning students of Korean history. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:21:29 -0600 From: J R Hilland To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] heading to Jackson Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We are off to Jackson, along with a little over 1/2 a dozen of my Cincinnati students. It is snowing now, so we are looking forward to a warm weekend! We will have to take a DD pic and get someone as a Ray stand-in-look-alike! I will be teaching restraining techniques this years. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "James Allison" To: Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:16:40 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] GRANDMASTER OF HAPKIDO SEMINAR DATE Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The date of the Georgia seminar with Grandmaster Ji Han Jae will be April 16th & 17th, 2005. The times will be 10am till 6pm both days. We will have a welcome workout the Friday night before for anyone that wants to get some extra mat time. Respectfully yours in Hapkido, James Allison --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] heading to Jackson To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:47:46 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > We are off to Jackson, along with a little over 1/2 a dozen of my > Cincinnati students. It is snowing now, so we are looking forward to a > warm weekend! We will have to take a DD pic and get someone as a Ray > stand-in-look-alike! I will be teaching restraining techniques this years. Maybe Mel will be willing to double for me. :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:54:44 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Arnold Classics Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Byron writes: > Well all, the arnold classic in columbus, ohio was once again an > excellent > experience. aside from meeting ah-nold, i also got to meet lou ferigno > and > wesley snipes ( wow, cant believe how short he is! ). while walking > around > the martial arts expo i bumped into and talked to a few famous martial > artists..."superfoot" bill wallace, don wilson, cung lee, frank > shamrock, > and the father of american ninjitsu stephen k. hayes ( now i can cross > that > off my "things to do in life" list! ). Hello Byron: Sorry I missed you at the Arnold, it would have been nice to see you again since you came to my last seminar in Norwalk. The Arnold WAS a great show, and I enjoyed talking to many of the same old friends you saw. I was surprised to see how few people attended Bill's seminar. My Hap Ki Do seminar was in the same room right after his, and I could not believe how few people took advantage of his expertise. On a sad note: I regret to inform everyone that I will not be able to make Jackson due to an illness in the family of my driving partner. I will miss you all. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:10:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] [Eskrima] Manual of the Baratero (fwd) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding from the eskrima digest forum, our sister list. Ray ------------------------------------ I have received my review copy, but haven't had a chance to read it yet. But here are a couple of reviews of listmember James' new book. I'm sure it is another winner from him... Ray ---------------------------------------------------------------- 2 reviews on James Loriega's new book "Manual of the Baratero (or the Art of Handling the Navaja, the Knife, and the Scissors of the Gypsies)" First, Pete Kautz's review: http://www.modernknives.com/mkreview1.htm Second, Ken "The Shark" Pfrenger's review: ============================= I got my copy of Mr Loriega MdB in the mail the day before yesterday. I sat down and read it from cover to cover last night and can say that I am very very happy with it. The book starts with an excellent foreweard written by Maestro Ramon Martinez which I found very interesting. He had told me once several years ago at ISMAC that his father had shown him not only some boxing but some traditional knife skills as well...here he recounts the early experiences with the short blade. It then moves forward to an introduction by the author that includes a section on the actual translation process which is very interesting and another on the illustrations then finally it moves to tell of the baratero and the world they lived and fought in. Next comes the English translation of the text...which you will find is quite a bit more understandable and coherant than the one found on the net. This section contains many comments from Mr Loriega that really bring the picture into better focus. After the actual translation he has a brief chapter that probably caused our old buddy snick to give birth to a full sized calf....LOL Manual del Disparatero! He follows this with an original language copy of the MdB and a very handy Syllabus based on the MdB. Overall a great work that has been too long in coming. It makes a nice companion book to Sevellian Steel and deserves a place on every blade enthusiasts bookshelf. As Allen Reed said, it is not a complete system to follow and Mr Loriega himself talks about some of the flaws in the style within the book. Still, it has great worth IMO and gives us an indepth look at mid 19th century Spanish knifework. While he points out the flaws he also mentions that the MdB contains the most basic of knife skills and should serve as a starting point. The best thing I can say about this book though is...I really enjoyed reading it. It was well written and illustrated and kept my interest enough to make me want to read it all in one sitting....perhaps holding my attention for the length of time to read a relatively short work should not be that impressive but I will say that for a book that had the potential to be a dry translation that this was not the case in the least. Go Buy a few copies for your friends! ken ============================= Peace favor your sword (IH), Kirk _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2100 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Arnold Classics Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:01:26 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net actually, this isnt byron....its jeff....but had i known that you were going to be there Master Timmerman, i would have sought you out. since you were there, perhaps you could tell me where and when the HKD stuff took place...i couldnt seem to find it, or i just plain missed it. it was supposed to be at area 30 next to the eskrima... > > Hello Byron: > Sorry I missed you at the Arnold, it would have been nice to see you > again since you came to my last seminar in Norwalk. --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:25:01 -0600 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Jim Subject: [The_Dojang] Lighten' up Jere Re:Teaching the art, the whole art, and nothing but the art Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net         No offense Jere but get on another topic.  Does anyone out there other than me teach both HapKiDo AND TaeKwonDo?  I feel know you well and brought you into our dojang where you now teach .  I am sure you are not meaning to offend by comparing everyone to the way you choose to teach.  First off as we have discussed before I don't think GrandMaster is of US origin.  It is not only on the doors and desks of many a man I visited in Korea but also on the certificates many like myself have been handed in Korea.         I sought you out when you moved here to Fargo and auditioned you to supplement our Red River TaeKwonDo South dojang.  You teach in the gym of my student (3rd Dan TKD, 1st Dan HKD, 1st Dan KumDo)  who in deference to you took down his HapKiDo Ildan certificate he attained with me in Seoul.  Like me his curriculum is traditional Chang Moo Kwan TaeKWonDo and HapKiDo.  I am sure you do not mean to impune him and the others out there who teach and study multiple disciplines.         It is great that you yourself studied and attained the rank of TaeKwoDo4th dan but, now don't  speak ill of those who do like wise.  I find the arts complimentary and do train my students in both.  I assume I am not the only one on this forum who sees the value of complimentary arts.  You might feel HapKiDo is "complete" but many don't and seek to shore-up the weaknesses or add to our skills with arts of the sword etc.  It can be done & it does not take away from your pureness that myself and others find one art wanting and look for ways to improve ourselves.  Just as I would defend you against anyone who would call you limited in scope for adhering to you one art I ask you to be tolerant of those who, like you, have studied and are seeking to master more than one discipline.         Let me conclude with the resume of one of the most talented clinicians I have met.  Accomplished and mastered in multiple arts, he teaches them and shows there complimentary aspects.  Later this year I will invite Sensei Darrell Craig ( www.houstonbudo.com  ) back for another seminar.  Among being the author of 7 really great books these are some of his other accomplishments since he began studying in 1956.  I look on his accomplishments as something good and I hope you will attend and see what you think. 6th Degree Black Belt Shito Ryu 6th Degree Black Belt Kendo 6th Degree Black Belt Junse Goshln Budo Jujitsu 5th Degree Black Belt Okinawan Shorin Ryu 5th Degree Black Belt Okinawan Kobudo 5th Degree Black Belt Bo Jitsu 5th Degree Black Belt Iai Do 4th Degree Black Belt Jo Do Osae Alkido 4th Degree Black Belt Judo U.S.J.A. & Kodokan 4th Degree Black Belt Osae Junse Aikido With all due respect to those who study and teach martial arts, Jim Grimestad --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:59:04 -0800 (PST) From: Brooke Thomas To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Teaching the art... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'm curious... Did Ji Han Ja raise Choi's eyebrows when he added techniques to Choi's original art? Did Ji Han Ja gets Choi's blessing to add/change Choi's art? Is adding techniques (such as more/different kicks, Philipino knife defenses, Jujitsu ground techniqes, whatever, etc) more acceptable to ones peers teaching the original/traditional art? Obviously those peers wouldn't like to see anything left out of the original curriculum but what about adding something in? Ji Han Ja must have thought the original system needed something, so he added something. So, who is "allowed" to do that in Hapkido and who isn't? Is anything different than Choi's original art 'non-traditional' Hapkido (including Sin Moo)? Brooke Thomas Hapkido Blend --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest