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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. central authority (Tkdsid@aol.com) 2. Boise seminar (ABurrese@aol.com) 3. Re: ray's double (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 4. stretching machines (George Peters) 5. new WTF rules (Charles Richards) 6. Re: new WTF rules (Jordan) 7. Re: new WTF rules (Ray) 8. Jackson, MS (Thomas Gordon) 9. Jackson report (J R Hilland) 10. streching (J R Hilland) 11. Jackson MS Throwdown (Kip McCormick) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Tkdsid@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 21:35:25 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] central authority Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am having a terrible time explaining what I mean here. Colleges and universities are accredited by 5 agencies all of which are certified by the US Dept. of Educ. In no way shape or form are all colleges the same. But, they all have a minimum standard for faculty, libraries, facilities, equipment, curriculum etc. I don't want to fuse all the arts together. I just want to stop guys like Richard Hackworth from ripping people off...from McDojos handing out black belts and am in favor of a guy living in SanFrancisco who happens to practice Soo Bahk Do, have his dan accepted in Pittsburgh. By all means we neeed diversity, creativity and new technique. But by further parallel, research in a university is done 24/7. It must all follow APA standards for research and be standardized in terms of the how it is structured. All martial arts should take place in a safe ,clean gym, with an instructor that will give certification when you are ready, with a curriculum that is approved within the style and by all means require a high level of physical fitness. For God's sake, some of my green belts can't do 10 push-ups and cry like babies because I won't promote them to blue belt. I also demand evidence of courage, honor, integrity, perserverance, indominable spirit as I can observe it. Is this too oblique? Sid --__--__-- Message: 2 From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:10:56 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Boise seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'll be flying down to Boise in April to conduct a one day seminar. If anyone is interested, drop me a line and I'll hook you up with the host of the event. It will be Saturday, April 9th. Cost I believe is 50.00 per person. Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 02:48:57 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: ray's double Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "Maybe Mel will be willing to double for me. :)" ray, youre too tall and i'm too wide for me to fit into your sho'nuff outfit for the picture. i'm sorry. just not gonna work ;) i'm certainly sorry you, uncle rudy and master whalen could not attend. was looking forward to meeting you all. oh...and you, too, bert and alain! we've definitely had fun so far. left missouri around 3:30 friday a.m. and got here in jackson around 12:30. our little convoy certainly made good time. i think we all looked as deer in headlights when we walked into the ballroom with all the martial artists there. everyone's been very gracious and fun to play with. got to meet up with JR, wayne, james, dakin, greg, dennis, and a hundred or so other folks. lotsa smiles, handshakes, and BS :) so far, we've poked at eachother with knives, twisted some limbs up and thrown eachother to the ground many, many times. what better vacation could we ask for? our group is definitely having a ball. looking forward to some sleep and a full day of smackdown tomorrow...or later today as the clock shows. g'nite to all ... mel --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:56:47 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] stretching machines Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sirs, I have owned a machine(Hurley) for quire a few years and like it very much, although I have made a few modifications to it so it does not hurt my inner legs.(swivel leg pads at the knee). I have found that a stepladder is far more useful tool for stretching though. I like it the best. Respectfully, George --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:46:51 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] new WTF rules Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I read At the World Championships, competitors will have three two-minute rounds, shortened from the current three minutes. An extra 'sudden death' round, in which the first fighter to score a point wins the match, will be used in the case of a draw in regulation, unlike the current system of using a judges' decision. More changes will be applied from next year, the WTF added. The new policies include a reduction of the width of the competition area, from the current 12-meters square to 10 meters, and the introduction of scores for fist attacks. The number of judges will also be increased from three to four. MC Reply I've been to a number of practice events and been referee at a number of local and regional events and IMHO when there is a tie a seasoned (ok and unbiased) official can determine superiority. At the last few practice events we've been using the "sudden death" for WTF style and I've seen a few cases where the lesser player makes a lucky score negating the past 4 to 6 minutes of hard work by the better player. On four judges I love the angle elimination problem, but how will we write the algorithm, if it takes three officials in agreement, it will be harder to earn a score, but if it takes only two that is better for angles. So if Blue has two votes and Red has one vote and judge four is note voting which indicates nothing was clear is that a Blue point? What happens if two vote Blue and two Vote Red? Do we stop time and have the referee vote? hmmm.... I think the Tekno league is already using 10x10 as a standard. As a promoter, I think 7x7 is fine for everyone 13-. Not sure whats up with a 12x10? I guess it encourages atheletes to fight in a more linear point fighting style, than using a more realistic angles advantage strategy . I love the conditioning WTF style requires, but I hope we don't take the game too far down the sport road, IMHO. MC --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Jordan" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] new WTF rules Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:55:29 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I've been to a number of practice events and been referee at a number > of local and regional events and IMHO when there is a tie a seasoned > (ok and unbiased) official can determine superiority. At the last few > practice events we've been using the "sudden death" for WTF style and > I've seen a few cases where the lesser player makes a lucky score > negating the past 4 to 6 minutes of hard work by the better player. Yeah, but that's the way it goes. That's why you strive never to let the opponent score. You can fight off ten guys with your superior martial arts abilities when, after twenty minutes, some guy pulls a gun on you, he negates your hard work too... :p > On four judges I love the angle elimination problem, but how will we > write the algorithm, if it takes three officials in agreement, it will > be harder to earn a score, but if it takes only two that is better for > angles. So if Blue has two votes and Red has one vote and judge four is > note voting which indicates nothing was clear is that a Blue point? Yeah, Blue gets one point, Red didn't get a clear enough hit to score. > What happens if two vote Blue and two Vote Red? Do we stop time and > have the referee vote? hmmm.... I've seen them allow both points. If both combatants land a solid round-house to the other's chest, then the two points are equally valid. > I think the Tekno league is already using 10x10 as a standard. As a > promoter, I think 7x7 is fine for everyone 13-. Not sure whats up with > a 12x10? I guess it encourages atheletes to fight in a more linear > point fighting style, than using a more realistic angles advantage > strategy . Also a little less running around. > I love the conditioning WTF style requires, but I hope we don't take > the game too far down the sport road, IMHO. Unfortunately, I think that's too late. Not that you can't apply TKD to non-competition sport ends, but especially with it's acceptance as an Olympic sport, I think TKD is seen as a fair ways down that road, especially by practitioners of other martial arts.... --JW --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] new WTF rules To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:07:22 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net On the new rules, I'm glad they will be scoring for hand techniques. But I don't get the 10x12 ring. Seems like it should be square or maybe even circular. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:16:46 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Jackson, MS Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master West's seminar was a great time. Thank you to those instructors that conducted seminars. Great atmosphere and "open arms" attitude is very appreciated. We had about 10 from our school and sister school. My students had a blast and looks like we'll have an annual pilgrimage from now on....perhaps semi-annual if we get some interest for the fall seminars. Sorry we couldn't stay and socialize a bit more. Because we had some commitments today, we left about 5:30 yesterday and I couldn't make the rounds to see everyone like I wanted. For those who've never gone. It's the best bang for the buck I've ever attended. $65 for a weekend of seminars is a no-brainer. Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:59:52 -0600 From: J R Hilland To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Jackson report Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We arrived back in Fargo this evening from the 3 day hapkido celebration at Jackson hosted by the USKMAF and Master J. R. West held once again at the Holiday Inn North. Classes Friday evening consisted of clothing grabs by Master Kirsch; speed throws by Master West, knife defense by Dr. Black, ground fighting by Masters Lyons and Smith, and restraining techniques by your truly. Saturday was the masters demo, first thing after Dr. Kimm He Young arrived. I taught the same class again, Master Magnum, who could scare a NFL lineman, taught hip throws. Master Thomas taught counter techniques, Masters Lyons and Smith taught ground techniques again. Master Hodder taught effective kicking. After lunch, clothing grabs again, attacks from behind by Master Boruki and cane techniques from Master Instructor Propst. Reading and writing Hangul by Master West, short stick by Master Instructor Watkins and knife again by Dr. Black. The last set on Saturday was a hapkido black belt class by Master West on 30 degree theory, xyz theory and advanced motion through application, choke defense by Master Instructor Peacock and forms interpretation by Tangsoodo Master McHenry. Jennifer and I had to leave for Fargo before sunrise Sunday so I am not reporting on Sunday's events. It was great seeing old friends, and meeting new ones. Tink, I am so glad I talked you in to attending. There is no posturing or grandstanding at these events which one of the many reasons I go every year. No one introduced themselves as master or supreme holder of the realm. Just hundreds of KMA doing the same thing. The most enjoyable workshop I have ever attended. I would like to give a special thanks to Master J. R. West, my teacher, mentor and old friend for all all he has done for me since he first took me under his wings last decade when I joined the every growing USKMAF. Master McHenry runs the tangsoodo section and Master Hodder runs the taekwondo section and these two gentlemen are very old dear friends of mine. To here these gentlemen, our seniors in hapkido talk about the use of their technique in the Vietnam war is amazing. Could you possibly imagine having to use your hapkido skills in combat after your enemy has just shot you in the face and still be able to eliminate that threat with your hands? My hat goes off for what these gentlemen have done to keep our country safe. It really gives you a serious perspective on your hapkido training, and how little we really know about the art. It was a joy working on the mats with Master Han's students and I would like to point out that Master Thomas, one of the senior KHF representatives was on the mats in every class he could attend. I was deeply honored when I saw him in my class. I would also like this opportunity to thank Master West publicly for recognizing my techniques after 31 years of training in the form of my promotion to 6th dan. It took me over 5 years to obtain my chodan in the 70's and it was a LOT of hard work. When I first tested there were 3 of us. I was the only one who passed on the 1st test, one was on the 2nd and the 3rd never did make it to chodan (I even broke my hand during the test and still finished it before going to the hospital). But I never thought for a moment I would be recognized at this level. I value time in rank and in traditional circles, rank is the recognition of the hard work and decades of sacrifice a students demonstrates every time they get on the mats. This is true in all arts. This is obviously the case in Jackson. I have a lot of respect for those years of hard work and those who died in battle during war time practicing these techniques. I hope that I honor them in my teaching and in this post. If it were not for Choi Young Sul, the founder of hapkido and his students who expanding that vision to the rest of the world I would not have enjoyed a weekend of training in traditional hapkido. Ray and Rudy, we missed you. Sorry for the long post. Jere R. Hilland, Fargo, ND www.hapkidoselfdefense.com --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 01:00:20 -0600 From: J R Hilland To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] streching Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My favorite stretch is the wall stretch. No tools required. scoot your tail bone to the wall, flip you legs up to the wall, straighten them out and then slowly fall apart for about 10 minutes. No pulling with machines, just gravity. Take a book and enjoy it for about 10 minutes. Keep the tail bone against the wall so your back is straight. The yoga pelvic tilt helps also. If this is still a problem put a towel under the tail section. My wife teaches this to new students and back when she started they did this in class for 10 minutes. Each day. Less than one year from full splits for her. Originally taught by to her by her first teacher, Master Park Bu Kwang a student of General Choi. If your are into self abuse, try ankle weights. Jere R. Hilland, Fargo, ND www.hapkidoselfdefense.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Kip McCormick" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:44:52 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Jackson MS Throwdown Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Many thanks to JR West and company for yet another fantastic throwdown in Mississippi. It was outstanding to put so many faces and names together, see old friends, learn, throw down, solve all the world's problems -- many over several beers at night. Thanks to all who attended and put up with my strange sense of humor (the bleeting goat sound coming from my mouth meant an appendage was ready to snap). My apologies to those whom I unintentionally smacked as my no-haired partner threw me across the room -- gravity sucks and I still can't control myself in flight or on the ground (please, let's not start another string on ground fighting...). Again, Master West many thanks to you and your crew. For those who didn't make it or who have never been to a session, I highly recommend it. Love, peace, and chicken grease. Kip Kip McCormick Warrior Hapkido USKMAF West Point, NY --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest